JSing viroids, on your marks, get set, shag!

[JosieSmith1]

The (updated)(again)(again)(again) 'rules' from our Just Shagging Originator for the Viroids:

Maintain a relaxed attitude at all times - drink if you want too, especially on your birthday (or when you've had bad news). Thread precedent dictates if you drink to excess you will get a BFP (but not recommended). (But it does work).

Covet thy husband and enjoy every minute. Shag at every opportunity - shag-capes and awesome superpowers optional.

Keep acronym-age to a minimum! EWCM is now to be referred to as 'pant snot'. Try not to get sucked in by Fertility Friend (at least for a while), but knowing where you are in your cycle and furkling for pant snot is most definitely allowed.
OV is ovulation - I'm allowed to forget what date I've OVd, feel free to join me on that one!

Bunting is to be put out for any small victory, thread-parties are held regularly and hugs are always welcome!

Once you have your BFP, feel free to hang around and share your wisdom and virtual cocktails with the JSers.

Keep us up to date with gossip!

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Most of these rules are well and truly broken!! But we try to chill - honest

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Part 1 Graduates:
Tanmu82 - BFP
PrivetDancer - BFP
OnlyWantsOne - BFP
Frankenfanny ? BFP
Notso - BFP
knittakid - BFP
loopeylu - BFP
PinkFondantFancy - BFP
Grannyapple ? BFP
Fuzzywood - BFP
canoe - BFP
janedoe - BFP
StarflowerGirl - BFP

Part 2 Graduates:
ihaveaplan - BFP
lovemylulu - BFP
shitforbrains - BFP
gormers - BFP

Part 3 Graduates
Bonkerz - BFP
Kitten - BFP
Cowboylover - BFP
takingtheplunge ? BFP

Part 4 Graduates:
NoMoreChocBiscuits - BFP
Milanomum - BFP
Cremegg - BFP
BrassicaBabe - BFP
Dynababy - BFP

Part 5 Graduates:
TakeThatLady - BFP
Vallinna - BFP
SingingMog - BFP
aDarkStarWithStrangeWays - BFP
Eskarina - BFP

Part 6 Graduate
Reality - BFP

Part 7 Graduates:
Katiepie - BFP
CaramelGirl - BFP
Nickelbabe - BFP
Panpie - BFP
Brightcopperkettles - BFP

Totally understand, Bam, though hope he isn't out of work for long, for all our sakes

Me too re crying when sick. I'm hardcore when it comes to "proper" pain aka been beaten up by a horse. I'm rubbish with lesser pain- needles and puking .

Good to see you back Josie. I'm thinking of getting counselling too. Probably won't go into detail about why, but DP found me downstairs at 2am last night, sobbing like a child. I'd been there for 2 hours and hadn't even realised that's how long I'd been crying. It's been getting increasingly worse for the past few weeks, but it's been going on for months now. I've had counselling before and didn't like it. I tend to think "What can they possibly tell me that I haven't already thought of myself?" I couldn't help but feel I was 10x more intelligent than the woman who was supposed to be helping me. But I have arrogance issues and she was a bit daft. I'll have to find a private counsellor next time, so that I can be more "picky" and find someone I think I can talk to. I also found I was equally secretive with my counsellor, my deepest darkest secret which I really hoped I'd finally talk about never came up in the 2-3 months of sessions I had with her because I can't bring myself to say these things out loud.

I was the same when pregnant Bam, never threw up once but felt sick quite a lot and - same as you - terrible at being sick so was very pleased. Things which particularly made me feel sick were being hot whilst lying down and being in the car. But I'm great with needles Nelly! It's actually one of my crazy little secrets, I find them quite exciting and they give me an adrenaline rush - I was really excited about having my TB at school, when all the other girls were crying and fainting with fear. Though, perhaps ironically, my TB exploded, became severely infected and a "crater" (scar is still huge) and when they covered it in a plaster for me, that's when I discovered I was allergic to orange plasters - to make the whole thing worse!

Oh Babylann sorry to hear you're having a hard time, I hope you feel better soon. I am still suffering with depression if it makes you feel any better, but now it's come out that my self esteem is at an all time low and I need to start thinking about myself more than others. Basically I'm a people pleaser but never consider doing what I want to do. I get 6 sessions free with work so hope she can 'fix' me in that time Seriously though, if you wanna talk about anything feel free to pm me

Thanks for the welcome back everyone, although I have to say I wish I had some good news for you. I'm 100% convinced I'm pg this cycle (as I have been with a few) so I'm going to be absolutely devestated if I'm not (nothing new there then)

I'm so sorry to hear you are both going through such tough times Babylann and Josie. Hopefully you both get the right support you need from counselling, and your OHs. And of course the viroids are here to be virtual shoulders whenever you need us. Big squeezy hugs for both of you (and boo to anyone who says they are not allowed on MN :( )

Josie where are you in the 2ww? Sorry if you said already . In fact, I've completely lost track of everyone! I'm 2 or 5 DPO depending on who you believe! Anyway, fingers crossed you get the BFP this time, it is your thread after all :)

Crow are you still lurking out there? And miffles?

Morning you lovely lot!

I am expecting DP home very soon, and it's quite exciting really. He took a voluntary redundancy package, so we will be able to pay off all our debts from that, and still have some left over. I SO hate having any debt, so it's really good. Hopefully we can then start getting organised for somewhere better to live. As I said yesterday, I will still be around and rooting for you all, just maybe not as much as usual!

Babylann and Josie I am sorry to hear you are both having a hard time of it. Can I just say that, I had depression a few years ago, linked to unhappy stuff from childhood, and I found a fantastic chap who did counselling and hypnotherapy. It helped me no end. I hope you can both find something to make you feel better too. and

Josie I hope this is your month. Fingers crossed for you.

That's great bam, sounds like a Fresh Start to me

Hope you are feeling ok josie and babylann?

I'm wallowing. Got to have one of my little ponies put to sleep later today . It's for the best, but despite knowing that, and despite only having had her 3 months, I'm really really upset. . Thankfully the miserable rain we've had has dried off, as that would have made it much worse. Just feeling a bit low - I know I'll be better afterwards. Yuckity yuck yuck yuck.

Oh Nelly I'm so so sorry big hugs and if you need to talk about it you know where I am

Forgot to mention I am off sick today and was yesterday as well. I've had this horrible virusy/cold thingy that's been going round, been coughing up some lovely phlegm for over a week now. Just went to docs and they reckon I might have a secondary bacterial infection so I've got antibiotics. I of course felt silly saying that I might (but am probably not) pg but the label on the antibotties says they can be used in pregnancy so if I am, I'm in the clear. Though the chances of a teeny tiny foetus surviving this virus is small anyway Although I do feel sick and have been going to the loo more regularly, and I'm knackered (none of which could be caused by the virus of course )

Thanks

Hope you start to feel better. How soon until you can test?

So sorry nelly. It's awful when animals you love have to be put down.

Get well soon Josie. Still have my fingers crossed for you.

Thanks bam. I cuddle my animals every day and tell them how much I love them, so that i can one day say goodbye to them safe in the knowledge they had a happy life and I know they know they were adored. . .

Sorry for sad posts. Normal service will resume soon after I've had some gin.

Sorry Nelly :(

Don't really have anything to say today. I'm on antibiotics as well, got a huge swelling in my mouth (in the wisdom toothy area, bottom left) 2 days ago so went to the dentist yesterday and he said it's an infection. Came home, took my first antibiotic and ibuprofen, and it went down straight away. Not really feeling good in myself, pretty miserable.

But someone on my FB is selling kittens and it got me thinking. DD loves dogs, she finds them hilarious and it makes me cry with laughter when she's near one. If they look at her, she bursts into laughter. She crawls around after them, trying to touch them. Me and DP are dog lovers, but decided to wait until she was older so she could ask for it herself and then we could let her choose the puppy and learn the responsibilities etc, but we're starting to think we don't want to wait. DD laughing is the best thing about any single day, and if we had a dog to amuse her constantly... it'd be fantastic.

Only problem is, we're planning on moving to a flat in September. Obviously the whole point of us moving there is that we intend to have a lot of time, so walks wouldn't be a problem or anything and there would almost always be someone at home. I still can't decide whether it's "cruel" or not. Usually I'd say, "Of course it isn't - it's much better than leaving them at the kennels for the rest of their lives" because usually I'd want to rescue a dog... But with us having DD so small, we'd need a puppy so it would be used to children from the start and there'd be no bad habits or hidden, taught aggression.

But puppies go through a biting phase don't they? And even though grown ups can handle it, I'm not sure I'd want a puppy with their tiny little spike teeth biting DD!

I'm no expert Babylann but I think most puppies go through a biting/nipping stage. It's something worth thinking about if you really want to do it though. I think it's great having animals when you're a kid. We got our dog when I was 12 (older than your DD I know) but we still have her now, although she's 15 but she was my best bud all through school, Mam used to bring her to meet me from school and it was the best part of the day. My bro-in lwa has 3 kids under 6 and they've just bought a labrador puppy considering the mother in on anti-depressants because she doesn't work and can't cope with the kids, how on earth did they think they'd manage with a puppy aswell

Nelly ERTD is due sat so I'll be testing if it hasn't arrived by monday. I'm feeling even worse now - the infection seems to be in the left side of my face and my eye is really sore and watery, but the worst bit is that it seems to be in my teeth and the whole left side of my teeth are throbbing, it's agony! I've had co-codamol (which I rarely take because it makes me sleepy) but I had to take the strongest painkillers I could get, but they haven't worked [fed up face]

Weird Josie, it's my left side which became sore as well. I found ibuprofen worked best, which I rarely take because I find cocodamol is most effective for most ailments! But obviously ibuprofen isn't advised during pregnancy. Hope you feel better soon!

I think the main reason I won't be able to get a puppy is the price! £250+, but averaging at about £500! I don't have issues with people breeding dogs as such, I would just prefer to give a home to a dog who needs a home than to fill someone's pockets who breeds dogs for money. I'm not that bothered about having a fancy pedigree, just a friendly, stable, family dog. Our family dog, we got him when I was about 15 or so, he is a cross between a whippet and a staffie, maybe more weird dogs might be mixed in there. He's such a gentle, lovely thing. I want him really, but I don't know if my parents would want to part with him!

It's worth a try Babylann when DH and I moved out we went into rented accommodation and couldn't have the family dog, but as soon as we bought a house we 'negotiated' with Mam and although she was reluctant at first she's actually happier now because she doesn't have the responsibility and vet bills, but can still visit. I think she should get a cat but she's having none of it , The wisdom tooth on the bottom left of my mouth has been infected on and off for about a year now, it's agony! The dentist told me to have co-codamol, then ibuprofen, then co-codamol etc cos apparently they work well together.

I had a lovely bout of nausea earlier which led to me lying on the bathroom floor and then going to bed (until the dog started barking cos it was time for her evening treat ) I couldn't get up without being dizzy and feeling sick, so that was fun. Went to bed for an hr and a half, now I'm back on the settee. Imagine being ill during pg, I think I'd die

Evening ladies, thanks for your thoughts. It was very sad as expected, but she went with the sun on her back and a belly full of polos :)

Sorry about all the icky illnesses. Should I stand....

.....over here?? .

Now in very very exciting viroid news, did anyone see this very exciting news . About 3 posts up from the bottom.

Sorry - I was so excited I almost forgot to mention that the news was...exciting .

Ooh? The first graduate to give birth?

I don't know why the thought had never crossed my mind that it might not have happened yet. For some reason I just assumed this thread had been going for years and that graduates would include mums of JS-conceived toddlers!

That'll be us soon, ladies! (Though hopefully it won't be twins for me. Don't think I could cope!)

Not quite the first. I joined in August last year, on thread 2. BB was a grad from some time when I was on (errr about 8 months ago). But there were some grads before. However the grads ante-natal thread is fairly new, but there are a couple of people popped before Bb. Frak and cowboylover spring to mind, but those are still newborns too.

We came up with the concept of a similarly lax parenting thread at some point, which i see now is up and running in post-natal. It's called Just Mumming . I'll probably stalk that soon, too

Oh also don't panic about the twins, BB was on clomid, and that makes twins more common.

It scares me a lot. Twins run in my family - my dad is one! After how huge I got with DD, and how ill I was, don't think I could cope with two in there. And I'm guessing that'd make SPD 50x worse, which would be horrible. And apparently I'm highly likely to get that again now I've had it.

Ah ok that's a bit more worrying. But isn't it only on the maternal side?

One thing at a time though. First, the shagging.

"However, only women ovulate. So the connection is only valid on the mother's side of the family. While men can carry the gene and pass it on to their daughters, a family history of twins doesn't make them any more likely to have twins themselves."

So I don't know if that really helps.

I don't think I'd mind horribly.

Good morning Viroids :)

Sorry not been around much, due to feeling a bit 'meh' at my body I have no idea what's going on ... CD29 now, temps show no sign of ovulation (had to explain to OH that I temp so I know when I Ov, so I know when to expect ERTD, so as not to get my hopes up when in fact I've just Ov'd late, if that makes sense?) going by any fertile signs I did have (cramps, CM etc) I should have got ERTD by now, but didn't JS at that time. Due to OH's scaredy catness, we only JS on CDs 1 and 21 ... no fertile signs around then.

I am now getting breast tenderness, ERTD type cramps (in the last 3 days) and I was up to pee at least 3 times last night, despite having no drinks late in the evening. If that is Ov signs, then where is my temp rise? It's been up and down every other day! Is it my body trying to gear up for Ov, but not actually getting there (a few times this cycle already)?

On a postive note, OH is very much getting used to the idea of TTC again now ... I'd previously been reluctant to go to the Dr or want any help, in case it put pressure on him and scared him off the idea again. But last night he suggested that I go to the Dr, and possibly think about assistance should we need it. He also asked if I thought there was a problem with his sperm ... I told him the real reason I think we're 'having trouble' is that we just don't shag enough and certainly not at the right times! Partly my fault as I said, I don't want him to feel pressured, or to think I see him as a baby making machine.

I'm going to see how this cycle pans out, then go to the Dr to check my hormone levels ... cycles are getting more and more erratic, I'm 39 and thinking my ovaries are shrivelling up!

Aaaaannyway - how is everyone else? Had a quick scan of the last few pages and loving the news about BB, just how quick are the graduates' pregancies going? Just whizzing by! It's got to be our turns soon :)

Hi everyone!

Glad that your pony went in a peaceful way nelly. Hope you had a few to soften the blow and to toast her.

babylann and josie, you both sound very poorly. Mind you, josie when I read your post it sounded exactly like I feel with a sinus infection. It might be worth checking with the doctor.

I am more a cat person, and know nothing much about dogs I'm afraid. When I was little, my mum had 5 different guide dogs, but they were all trained to within an inch of their lives, and they were lovely. I'm a bit nervous around dogs that seem untrained TBH.

Sorry about your confusing cycle and your OH's cold feet crow. I hope he gets his courage back soon and that your cycles sort themselves out.

As for twins, I am starting to be convinced I am having them! No evidence obviously, I just feel huge and bloated, and queasy all the time, which I didn't with DS. And my uncle (mum's brother) was a twin! So pleased for BB.

Thanks Bam fortunately OH has got his courage back, hence the talk about getting assistance with TTC if needed. But first I want to see how the JSing more often goes