The 6th form post mc ttc and pregnancy common room Part 2

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Getting us started on a new thread; this one is gonna be a lucky one!

Hi Oneyear I had a mmc in June 2009 and spent 22 cycles failing to get pg. But the good news is that I'm now pg with twins! All natural (other than one clearblue digital test). I tried accupuncture, then homeopathy, then gave up hope entirely and obviously one of those things must have worked. I was used the clearblued to prove I wasn't ovulating regularly so that I could convince the dr to give me clomid but in the end it wasn't needed. I hope you have a similar experience.

Oh battery it's horrible when they go isn't it?

I hate, loath and detest spiders so can offer no words of advice there I'm afraid.

I'm torturing myself watching OBEM..... dooooom!!

xx

Welcome oneYear these ladies are lovely at listening and understanding and providing lots of good advice, and more often than not a good chuckle too.
NK cells are nateral killer cells. Here's something to explain abit more

Thanks Digi for the recommendation on the book. I'm sure there's something immunological going on but that's mostly due to RA, which has certainly complicated things somewhat Although I have to say we didn't really try very hard for the last 6 months of last year due to dealing with builders and house extension and living at parents and driving back and forth and generally being knackered and preoccupied. And from about September onwards until a few weeks ago I've had recurrent chest infections so body definately not been on top form. We've decided to make a proper effort for the next few months and see what happens before going down the testing route. I've actually only had 2 MCs so not eligible for testing on NHS anyway, so any testing would be private anyway.

Talking of killer cells does anyone know what sort of dose of steroids the treatment is? I'm already on 5mg of prednisolone and trying to reduce it but not so sure now? More

Izzy I'm impressed with 10K run, I don't run ever How are the GPs?

Battery here have a sounds like you need it. Hope the spider has decided to scarper quick sharp.

YRMOTB when's the half marathon? sorry if you said before

Mouse don't do it. I watched the first series but somehow can't get into this one.

Hello all, thank you for your lovely messages. CD4 here after CP and am feeling surprisingly chilled. DH away for 2 weeks from tomorrow so am giving myself a month off, no temping, no CM checking, no POASing, nada. I usually ov late so it would be tempting to SWI as soon as he's back but have decided don't need the stress so no TTC just SFF this cycle. There, I've said it - what a relief! :)
Welcome oneyear - how many MC's have you had? I've had 2 plus this CP, but also have 2 DS's, so there seems to be no reason why I can't have another successful PG. Fingers crossed it all works out for you xx

quick wave from D&V towers, though the vomiting is over it seems.

CD17 here for me, think I may have oved on CD10/11. Yesterday had quite a bit of brown CM. Very unusual (in fact unheard of for me). But as we've all been ill and everything is brown around here at the moment, maybe it's just joining in for fun...

Hope everyone is doing ok.

battery sorry MrCockerel went before the spider incident. And the FB thing is really tough - I empathise :(.

PS what is this "running" I hear talk of?

'morning everyone and thanks for the very lovely messages. Its officially CD1 today and I can start a new chart!

tiggersreturn - congratulations, wow twins! Thats amazing. I am doing acupuncture and ingesting thousands of chinese medicine pills (alongside my daily vitamins, folic acid etc). The chinese doc also gave my dh herbal pills to 'help him too' - and the poor lad now has to take 10 pills every morning. I think his patience is running thin.

mouse and battery - I couldn't torture myself with OBEM (too much screaming anyway) but I am off work today and the hedge outside my window has been taken over by a bunch of pregnant pigeons that are making a racket (pigeons can be pregnant can they?! These are inordinately large...). Not quite the entertainment I had in mind...

freezing very interesting article, thanks. I had never heard of the nk cells - could that apply to CPs too? I have a clinic appt this week to decide what to do now and what more tests to do (I thought I had had most tests, but obviously there is more to do) and will ask about this one.

zam Sorry to hear about your CP. I had two CPs in 11 cycles which no docs cared about so I dont think they are even in my files. No MCs thankfully. But to be honest, I am having lots of trouble getting pregnant. I am temping and charting, using Opks, having sex at all the right times, taking all sorts of horrid Chinese herbs but nothing - just 'unexplained infertility'. My cycles are 31 days regular with ovulation on day 18. I am counting the days till my clinic appointment now, I am hoping they will have the perfect solution ready for me. We will see.

Tonight I am planning dinner with wine, sushi, blue cheese, pate, coffee (not decaff) - all in one - to celebrate the start of the new cycle. Just one day of freedom.

Hellllllllooooooooooooooooooooo.

Widow Twanky here. Still doing the washing. Now throwing out items of DS affected clothing as bored of soaking/sterilizing etc. Diarrhoea still in da house.

Dull now.

Hope everyone ok.

Helloooooooo back jolls. It's v quiet on here today....

Sorry things haven't hardened up for you yet. That is one prolonged bout of the squits. Not fun Hope jollsjunior gets better soon x

Have bitten bullet and booked a private appointment with Mr Shehata today, it's on 27th April and is costing me £250 for the initial consultation. Yikes!

GP's next week to beg ask if she'll prescribe me the progesterone for our next BFP. It's SWI time for the first time in ages in our house and DH doesnt know what's hit him

Sorry for no personals, am rushing to get home to get dinner done in time to get to bed early enough before we both fall asleep!

yey for the private appointment bb. Eek somewhat at the price, but if that's what it takes. Good luck with the swi effort, Spring is in the air, surely that has to be a good thing for all of us.

I'm a little concerned that my periods have lightened off a fair bit. I suspect that I'm over analysing, adn really they're back to how they were before the mc. I think I'm just looking for extra reasons why I might not be pg, I want a quick solution to a un-quickly-solvable problem.

jolls So sorry it's still going on over there. Has everyone had it? Hope it clears up soon, until then diaorlyte is your friend.

I've been looking at wedding venues. Much to dp's consternation, cos he wants at leat 6 months before the wedding planning has to start. So I've been doing it furtively! Everything's so bloody expensive, and I keep seeing people spending tens of thousands on their wedding and shitting myself.

oneyear how are you today? I'm cd 4 today, we might be cycle buddies! Did you see the common room list to add your stats to? I'll link it for you.

loola, ladybe, zam, mouse freezing izz battery digi tigger chloe ma and everyone else who might be reading! hope you're all well!

Hi All - I took a bit of an mn holiday after last mc. I think I will just lurk around a bit as it has helped me not to think about it all the time. I just have a bit of a query which I am hoping a lovely lady on here may be able to answer. I have a thyroid cyst which is supposedly non cancerous (although one of the tests was inconclusive) and my thyroid is functioning normally - so noone was particularly worried about it but I have become convinced that there is a link with the mcs - 1. the cyst may be due to my hormone levels being out of kilter or 2. an auto immune disease.

My queries are:
(1) I had 2 blood tests over the last week just to confirm the completion of the mc. My hcg level was 1 for the first one and

Zammummy sorry to read about your cp. I am in the exact same boat as you with two dd, two mcs and one cp and the doctors seem completely unfazed by it all and basically say - keep trying. When I am not stressing about the whole thyroid link I pretty much think there is no reason why I can't have a successful pg - so fingers crossed for all of us.

A&R there is a link between hypothyroidism and mc. And when I had my bloods taken for Dr Shehata he tested for anti-thyroid antibodies. My thyroid tsh level came back normal (so I don't have hypothyroidism) but he still did the test, so obviously you can have a normal functioning thyroid and still have ATAs. If you know you have a cyst on there it's worth looking into this. You could probably find a section on it in Dr Beer's book. And I would count a cp as a miscarriage. At that stage it is likely to be a chromosomal issue (ie 'bad luck') but you do qualify for recurrent mc testing so you should definitely push for it or a referral to a rmc clinic.

But only if you want to. I hope I haven't spoken out of turn.

Oh and hcg is only present when you are pregnant. If you have not conceived then you won't have more than 1 of hcg in your system after you ovulated. If you had more than 5 of hcg then they might suspect retained products. So less than 1 is very good, means your body has reset itself fairly quickly.

It is progesterone that increases after ovulation and continues to increase for a while when you are pregnant.

bb well done for booking the appointment. You'll find that Dr S has a very proactive approach to preventing miscarriage - the complete opposite to St Mary's. He will suggest you start pregnacare plus, vit d3 and low dose aspirin immediately. He will definitely prescribe progesterone supplements from bfp, and then depending on your nk cells levels will determine how much steroids to prescribe. Ideally you'd get the progesterone from your gp as I've heard that the private cost is v expensive (about £80 for two months?).
My follow up is on the 18th, I can fill you in on his treatment plan for me after that if you're interested.

BBB that's interesting that you got one at the end of April, I'm continue to mental over this one, have swung back and forth about whether to do it or not before I finally leave, but am now swinging back to having a consult and tests if I can get the appointment.
This is all made slightly worse because we did a bit of SFF recently and didn't use contraception because I assumed it would be the wrong time but I'm now being a complete idiot and am convinced it was actually well-time SFF and the twinges I'm feeling now aren't pre-AF but pre-BFP. Sorry, I know it's completely mental. AF will turn up in about a week I expect and I'll be frogmarching DH to the local pharmacy to stock up on condoms so I don't torture myself like this next month.

Anyhooooo, have got so far as to start looking up possibility of buying steroids online which is a step too far to the loon, but if it's preying on my mind this much I think better to just get it over with and cough up. I don't understand though digi why it's taking 4 weeks to get the results - the secretary said the results would be back within 48 hours, is that just to get the follow up appointment?

Freezing I haven't seen anything definite about the dosage apart from an outline of a trial by Quenby, where the dosage was 4 x 5mg daily from a confirmed viable pg, for 6 weeks, 2 x 5mg 1 week, 1 x 5mg 1 week. There's a link here

AandR nice to see you, I hope your MN break did you good. I'm reading but not posting a lot at the moment because I'm trying to get things sorted out for the big move.

jolls muchos muchos commiseration re the sick house.

Waves to all others - got to go strip wallpaper off wall, boring boring...

Hello all,

Welcome oneyear and welcome back AandR

Will do proper catch up later but just wanted to drop in and share results of Chicago immunes (and hopefully help AandR re thyroid)

The clinic want me to start thyroid meds. A breakthrough! I had a TSH reading of 3.5 done by by GP but as this falls within lab range they don't offer medication. I had read on several sites that ideally TSH should be below 2 if ttc or pg (Around 1 would be optimal) I printed this off and showed it to my doctor who didn't know anything about this but was interested and said that if a specialist recommended that I take meds then she would be happy to prescribe. (TSH doesn't give the full picture, you really need to see what T3 and T4 levels are like too but it seems harder to get GP to agree to do these from experience)

Anyway, the immune tests have come back with an even higher TSH (5.1) and low T3 and T4 (ie not enough thyroxin in my body). I've also had thyroid antibodies done and the lab range is 0-50, my results came back at >3000 which seems ludicrously high! Still trying to work out what all of this means (and waiting for Alan Beer's book to arrive from Amazon, thanks Digi!) but I think it means that my immune system is attacking my thyroid. I'm not sure if a cyst on the thyroid would also be an indicator of this or not but it's definitely worth pushing your Dr to get everything tested. I just had a feeling that my thyroid wasn't functioning as well as it should be so I pushed and pushed with my GP and in the end got the proof I needed (albeit from a private clinic). AandR Do you have any symptoms that you think may be linked to your thyroid not functioning correctly?

Cytokines have also come back as 'borderline' (still reading up on this) and they have suggested humira or intralipids. Not sure whether to go down this route or not though as they are only slightly elevated and treatment would then lead to iui or ivf afaik.

NK's were fine apart from one (CD19) which was 12.5 (and lab limit is 12). Again I currently have no idea what all of this means so spending a lot of time googling at the moment. They also sent me a sheet with info on NKs which I will try and add later if anyone is interested? Apparently the highest incidence is in 'women with one live-born child and then a history of infertility or recurrent miscarriage'.

Digi Is a CP more likely to be chromosome related rather than implantation related?

Jolls Sorry to hear about all the sickness this week, you must all be feeling a bit washed out (literally and metaphorically!) Hope things pick up soon (ps I see you're another regular on the baby name threads! I lurk but rarely post!)

BB Great news re appt. Shame these things are never chaeap but it does feel good to be actively doing something to find answers/ possible solutions etc. Good luck with the swi too. Spring is the most succesful time for ivf apparently so the lighter eves, sunnier days must have an effect on natural conception too.

Waves to everyone else and apologies for boring/ scientific post!

Waves to Bee. Lovely to see you x

Morning all - lovely to see more people back!!

jolls hope things are calmer at d&v towers today - any more promising signs of possible ib?

bb yay on getting appointment booked, tbh the cost isn't much more than a private consultation over here (Bristol) and you're getting to see the best so - even though it seems like a lot - I'm sure it will be worth it. Fx it brings you some answers.

bee lovely to hear from you, things must be pretty hectic right now...re the appt, maybe it would be worth ringing up to see when you can get in and just see if it's doable before you go? (although obviously will keep me fx that the sff pays off and you don't need to)

aandr fab to see you again, hope the mn break did you some good. I'm afraid I can't help with the thyroid query but would say if it's bothering you, it's got to be worth checking out?

wiggle that's really interesting, and a big step forward to have identified that...now at least something can be dine to help. How are you feeling about it all?

yrmotb wedding planning can get stressy...you don't need to spend tens of thousands though, I'm sure it will be lovely. How many people are you planning on having - could you have something small and intimate? Alternatively, could you do some of it at home? I've been to some great weddings where the reception was at home, caterers brought the food in, ate in a small-ish marquee in the garden.

everything ok here afaik. No symptoms whatsoever still. Scan on 19 April (private - mw won't contemplate any extra appointments etc) so just keeping my fx until then.