Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all laughing! All welcome! (Part 12)

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What's a CP?

Hi just wanted to run in quickly and say hi to Knitter and A&R who I've not got to know properly yet.

Knitter glad you got throuugh your due date without too much pain and sadness. I know it was a while ago but i am really sorry for your loss, just reading through old threads and my heart goes out to you.

Right i am in the office today and busily catching up one what i should have done yesterday so best go.......

AandR ((hugs)) thought I'd get a pre-emptive hug in for your dd

Thanks Knitter

Chloe55 a cp is a chemical pregnancy (I have been here too long and don't even think about all the annoying acronyms anymore!). My af was 5 days late in December (never happens to me) and I had a very faint BFP and then a confirmation on a digi and then my af arrived and was a wretched one. Thanks for the reassurance Owl. I think Pink had one at the same time as me. I know I shouldn't listen but it is hard to shut the voices of doubt in my head!

Collie2 and Chloe55 and all the other newbies, sorry I haven't welcomed you and introduced myself properly - very rude of me . I lost track of the thread whilst away and don't have a hope of properly catching back up. Sorry you are here but I am sure you are being properly looked after by the lovely crowd who hang around in here. My story is I have two dds 4 and 2 and I had a mmc at 12 weeks (bean at 9+4) ERPC and then had the chemical pregnancy in December. I hope your stay here is short!

Pink judging by the food posts I see you are suffering from The Hunger hope you can keep it at bay with that pizza and chocolate. By the way its not be getting 4am action thats AandRMum I Welcome back! never thought jetlag could have its good sides go lady!

collie looks like you just ov'd OR this is not your basal (first waking) temperature. Keep your themometer under your pill, its easier to find!

eggy I am so sorry for your loss. Please don?t tell yourself ?there never was a baby? of course there was, from the minute you got a positive pregnancy test you thought that you were going to have a baby, and its a great loss when you find out it that now its not going to happen. Dont underestimate the powerful effect of the pregnancy hormones leaving your system too, they can really shake you up. As the others have said you need to take some time out to grieve, find a safe place and let it all out. Have you seen this site www. Pregnancyloss.info ? it really helped me a lot with questions about physical and emotional recovery. www.pregnancyloss.info/waitingforaf.htm This page might be really relevant to you right now. Have you done a home pregnancy test yet to see if the hormones have all left your system? Its a good idea as it helps you know when your body is starting to get back to a normal cycle again

cep The Great Grapefruit Juice Experiment is using concentrate. I will let you know.

hi all I'm home now.

eggy so sorry for your loss. they are a great group of ladies on here full of great advice and comfort.

aandr glad you had a wonderful time and that you're home safely. (and i would have bee worried if you had been able to keep up while you were away ) oh and i think that woman was awful to try and scare you into buying unknown herbs. It's dispicable that people do that kind of thing.

knitter so sorry for yesterday, i'm glad it was a bit easier than expected though.

mummya thanks for that. Good luck

I've bought some pink grapefruit juice, pomegranate and pineapple juice. All from concentrate. Have had 1/2 tall glass of grapefruit and pineappple. then rewarded myself with choc fudge milkshake.

I've also bought some epo. Let me get it straight. g/f 1 glass day. (does it matter until when??) epo 1 a day until ov. p/apple 1 day till ov. after ov brazil nuts and pomegranate juice.

Does that sound about right??

Ooh someone was talking about temps(sorry can't remember who. is always best to take it before getting up, as a test i did it before getting up and then once i got back to bed after loo and because it was cold, it had dropped almost by a degree by the time i got back to bed. and i wasn't in there that long before anyone asks.

hello to collie chloe nix orange mamap owl yrmotb and everyone else

just found this which says pomegranate juice also helps sex drive, think i'll start giving it to dh. also good throughout pg so no need to stop. and just saw Collie's post about the 8oz (assuming fluid ozs)

AR I hear you re expensive... the dollar is so strong, cost us a fortune. Re: Your body repairing, it does all it needs to in order to repair itself, I can't believe the dodgy ole woman tried to give you herbs!!!!

Mummy how are things with you? Are you going ahead with counselling?

Waves to all around this afy!

I am just skiving off early to the shops as cooking for friends tonight... Sea Bass Nicoise! mmmmmm!

Have a nice night all

cep watch out for the concentrated stuff. I cant remember whether i read anything about it or whether its the sugar content.. dont know sorry! Re the temps - MummyA will advise best, but dont move a muscle before you take it! Slide the therm out from under your pillow and shove in your mouth gently!!

AR so glad you got to be there for your nephew being born... must have been lovely... other things aside of course!! Well done you
Good to have you back, keeping your seat warm over on t'other fred xx

Thanks for all the comfort re lining. I might invest in some Vit E and a small amount of pineapple juice. I have such a need to please people sometimes I almost bought them just because she had gone to so much effort!! Oh Dear.

(warning: level of knowledge of how the body actually functions is fairly minimal) I was thinking that given that your lining is renewed each month, wouldn't the level of nutrients in the lining be a function of your health and what you are eating that particular month - and having had an ERPC - isn't that a bit like having a spring clean -carrying the metaphor on - if you consider your period to be like your regular weekly clean. How can you have a damaged lining from a mc (other than through the shocking incompetence of your mw MummyA), if the lining renews itself each month?

What Nix hasn't said re temping is that having become a world expert in all means of determining ov and getting dhs into order - she really just needed to have SWI on day 18 - remember that for DC3 Nix it will save you a fortune in OPKs, FF etc!

Talking warm seats - on our stopover in Korea I sat on a loo with a heated seat - might help with keeping your temperature high - but eugh!

CEP I might recommend bringing dh off the pomegranate juice after your BFP . Sex after BFP is up there with warm loo seats until you are the size of a whale and horny as hell and then it may come in handy again!

nix blimey there's loads especially in the pineapple juice. i really do need to be better on my diet to be drinking this as well (i say after finishing of the (shared) milkshake, having curry and veg spring rolls, and a bag of maltesers waiting for ds and i.)

aandr i'd be exactly the same, i'd probably buy it and then spend the journey home complaining. i just hope the pomj works on him, would be nice for something to get him going again. i wonder how long it takes to work, i gave him a glass tonight, hope he's motors running by tomorrow.

AandR here is a quick Ashermans primer. Please bear in mind there have been very few studies done, most "facts" are unproven the knowledge that does exist has been built up over the last 10 years by around 20 doctors worldwide who specialise in AS and have shared info from thier own experiences with patients.

Your endometrium has a basal layer and from that a thick fluffy layer grows each month and is shed with your period. If the basal layer is damaged, by surgery or birth trauma or infection for example, then the fluffy layer cannot grow on top of it and there is no lining for an emby to emplant on. In an ERPC the idea is to suck out or scrape out the "tissues" and the fluffy layer but not touch the basal layer. Then as you say a new layer grows each month and is dependant on your current diet/health. (By the way it is estrogen that makes the lining grow more, which is why Agnus Castus and isflavins work, they are similar to estrogen)

If you have an endometrium with patches of basal layer missing, then the healthy endometrium can grow around and over the holes, so you can still end up with a healthy enough lining for an embryo to implant. However it has a better chance if it implants near a healthy patch as opposed to on or near a patch of damaged basal layer. If you have scar tissue (as I did) growing on the lining, this prevents the fluffy layer from growing and needs to be very carefully removed, after removal you may end up with "missing" or damaged bits of basal layer, but the lining should be able to grow as long as there is some healthy basal layer there (and the more the better)

So in summary, this lady doesnt know what she is talking about. In an normal ERPC there should be no damage done to the basal layer at all, and the lining should regrow normally. Cases like mine are very rare, and you would notice that something is seriously wrong immediately because you would have no periods or very light periods (panty liner only for 1 or 2 days) If you are at all worried a normal ultrasound scan done mid cycle will show a nice thick lining of 8-13 mm and it will grow so thick that it will form a "triple stripe" pattern. If you see this you know you have a 5* uterus! But generally if your periods are normal/heavy I wouldnt worry at all.

MamaP all is calm at the mo, DH and I have our couples sess tommorrow and I have one (different lady) just for me on Friday. Glad your scan went OK, FX for even better news at the next one xxx

AR god are you an elephant?! (and not in the nose or thigh capacity ) well remembered.... Yeah FF said effort was poor/low, temps confirmed ov 2 days later and swi on day 18 and the day after ov. Just v lucky i guess :) Its a bit bonkers that we have conceived x 3 swi day 18, and yet the cycles have all been diff lengths!

I may only have temped for 1 month, but i got lots of lessons off people on how to do it right, as i ws doing it wrong for the best part of the whole month
PS you like pregnant sex? Urgh!

cep if you buy pressed juice thats not from concentrate once all thats gone its much less in sugar content, plus its the real stuff :)

mummy good stuff things are a bit calmer

babes Izzy WAVES madly again, just for fun too

nicks

Never going to catch up on all the chatter today ( at work taking up all my valuable Internet time) but big due date ((((hugs)))) to knitter , it does get better out the other side x

AandR so sorry for your losses. I mc in dec also, found out at 12 week scan and similar to you our baby had died at 9+3. Impatiently patiently waiting for AF to arrive. Your oz trip sounds well needed.

cep like nickster says think not from concentrate is better as you'll lose all the goodness in concentrate and it's generally healthier.

mummyA good luck tomorrow I hope it goes well for you both.

Thanks for all your replies re temps, I think it is most likely all over the place because I'm not doing it straight away when I wake up. 5 min must make all the difference. I'm terrible though in a morning I snooze the alarm at least 3 times!! I did wonder mummya if the rise could be my ov and I did get the opk out again but it said no. dh thinks we should swi just in case (unsurprisingly)...... Wouldn't do any harm !!

Got to go, cooking dinner for my mum and her dp and am so late.

I hope everyone else is ok?

aandr must have been v mixed emotions to hold a new baby, ESP with DD so close. Hehe good for you for not buying herbs-I'm with CEP would have bought them to avoid a fuss and whinged afterwards!! My acupuncturist reckons you body needs time to get back into balance after a MC but I think that's more to do with emotional/hormonal state rather than womb thickness. If you're interested, the Baby-Making Bible has lots on info on this. Defo steer clear of the herbs tho.

knitter DD hugs for you, glad it wasn't as bad as you were expecting.

I had a ridiculous meltdown today that involved running to the toilets in floods of tears, twice, today :/ feeling more zen now after having been extensively fish-slapped

Have got to have more bloods taken tomorrow-being tested for natural killer cells and the blood has to make it to Chicago within a certain number of hours but bad weather delayed it. 7 more vials of blood!!!

Ah, noones touched the pizza

collie pop thermometer in your mouth before you have your first snooze, then snooze away! You'll get the hang of it-took me a couple of months before I got any data worth having!!

Oh and mummya good luck for tomorrow - think the counselling sounds a really positive step for you both, hope it goes well x

yrmotb SMEP has found its way to this house too, we started on day 7 (often don't ov until cd17 ish so we might also have started a bit early...ho hum). Fx it works! velvet were you doing SMEP too?

aandr good on you for not buying the herbs, I'm another one that would probably have caved in out of sheer awkwardness and then raged about it for hours . Don't listen to any nonsense about your womb lining - as mummya says, if you're having regular not-too-light periods you should be fine. Well done on not breaking down re the baby in front of everyone too - how lovely for you to be there but I know I would be a bit too

collie temping before you move makes a huge difference, takes a few days to remember to do it every day though!

cep sounds like a real concoction of fruit juices you're having...

I've lost track of whether anyone's poasing at the minute... Hadrian ?

pink big (((hugs))) sweetie, deep breaths, and no stressing!!!

where can you get pressed juice from though. i couldn't find any of the juices i wanted as not from concentrate. at least not in tesco.

pink sorry you had an emotional day today, think it comes with the territory now though.

WEDNESDAY?S LIST

BrownB TTC#1 cycle 1 (post MC2) UCL 24-26 WTF cycle CD46?
Choccybick TTC#1 (post mc1) cycle 6 UCL 27 CD36
Chloe55 TTC #2, cycle 5 post MC#2 UCLrandom CD26
knitterNotTwitter TTC#2, MC#2, cycle 6 UCL 25-30 CD23
BackOnceAgain TTC#3, Cycle 6 UCL28-32 CD19
Getawiggleon TTC#2, Cycle? UCL28-32 CD18
AandRmum TTC3 cycle 4 UCL29 CD 14
Velvetcu TTC #1 Cycle 6 UCL 30-33, CD13
ZamMummyInGabs TTC#3 cycle 2 postMC#2 UCL26-28, CD12
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 cycle 7 UCL 24-30 CD11
Loola2shu TTC#3 Cycle 6 UCL35-38,CD10
youremindmeofthebabe TTC#2, Cycle 6 UCL33 CD9
Kat2504 ttc#1 cycle 6 ucl28, CD5
Cep TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL24-28 CD5
ochaye TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 31 CD3
MummyAbroad TTC #2, cycle 2 (Post AS Op)) UCL28 CD2

WTTC
Barrenbrook TTC#1, MC#4 Oct 2010
Digitalgirl TTC#2, MC#3 Oct 2010
Hadrian TTC#1, MC#1 Dec 2010, WTF cycle
Mousebacon TTC#2 MC#2
Collie TTC#1 MC#1 Dec 2010

MIA
Sarahmia TTC#2, MC2
Batteryhen MC conf Oct 2010
Nurse47 TTC#2, UCL28, WTF cycle ERPC 9 Nov
Mamafoof TTC#2, MC#1 Nov 2010, WTF cycle

RECENT BFP's
Emoo TTC#2, Cycle 1 (post MC1) UCL 26-30, 30/1/11
DachshundsRule TTC#1 cycle 5 UCL28 CD31 BFP 25 Jan 2011
Hairytriangle TTC#1 cycle 1 (post MC2) UCL ?28 BFP Jan 2011
Tigger15 TTC#2 cycle 22 UCL24-9 CD29 BFP 16 Jan 2011
Pinkfondantfancy TTC#1, cycle 5, UCL 28-35 CD29 BFP!!
Lemonsherbert BFP 18 Jan 2011
HongKongBaby#2, cycle 5 (post mc1), UCL 37, CD30 BFP 18 Jan 2011
MamaPower TTC#1, cycle 5 (post MC#2) UCL 25- 27 CD28
Wombat33 TTC#1 Cycle 3 (post MC) UCL 31
LadyBee TTC#2, cycle 5 (round 3) UCL27 CD27
Owlbooty TTC#1, cycle 5
Nickstermum TTC#2 cycle 2 post MC UCL 30-40
PrettyQuichey TTC#1, (round 7) UCL 28-30
Lovebeingadaddysgirl TTC#? WTC cycle
GetDownYouWillFall TTC#2

RECENT GRADUATES
BUnderthebonnet BFP 20 June
Muser BFP 22 June
northerngoldilocks - BFP 12 July
Magic8ballhastheanswers BFP 14 July
Hopefully BFP 22 July
IvySedai BFP 1 August
PenguinsMummy BFP 15th August
VivClicquot BFP 25 August
Loopymumsy BFP 29 August
CaribouMoo BFP 7 September
StarflowerGirl BFP 24 Sep
Appleblossoms BFP 9 Oct
Littlemiss72
Urbanlolly BFP 1 Nov
Inbetweener BFP 10 Nov

just found some but the sugar level isn't that different. tropicana not from concentrate per 200 ml 16.2g, and tesco from concentrate 17.4g (pink g/f)

tooooo much chat to catch up with!

Yes Izz we are trying to do SMEP, had loads of eggnog today and now have a fanjo (who's word was that??) full of swimmers as the bil went to the gym :) Usually ov on day 14/15 so fx for myself and everyone else!

Mamap i really hope us oldies get to join you this month!

Collie I take my temps whilst having a pee in the morning. That seems to work for me.

MummyA you really are a star! My af has been very normal so I am not worried about a particular problem - was more a general worry re mc and its effect. What you say makes sense and I feel better about it all.

Goooo Velvet hope your legs are up a wall whilst you type.

Pink have I missed something - why is your blood taking a trip to Chicago? ... oh and what is SMEP?

A&R - I think we may be twins separated at birth (though that's probably the wrong comparison in the circumstances) - had a 12 week mmc in Oct then ERPC then chemical pregnancy in Dec. Still trying to deal with it all.
Re the aspirin taking which has come up - I've been referred to a Consultant gyno due to no. of mc's - she said DON'T take aspirin until you get a BFP as it doesn't help with lining/implantation which makes sense as it thins the blood but is OK in low doses if you do get a BFP. (I had been taking it as a couple of friends had been recommended it who'd had mc's but in my stupidity hadn't asked clear enough qu's from my friends as to when they'd started it). Hope that helps for all those worried.