TTC after MC, ERPC anyone want to join me??

[nurse47]

Hi ive been posting on the miscarrage forum but now feel ready to start all over again!
My story, Had my first MMC in nov 2007, followed by an erpc (worst moment of my life) this was my first pregnancy and i felt robbed. Waited for two periods and got pg with my little DD in feb 2008, i had a great pg and birth but was on constant knicker alert. We decided when she was two we would like another baby to add to the familiy, we decided to try in sept this year and got pg first time! (very shocked) I was so hoping this would be my time to have a stress free pg and actually enjoy the experience! How wrong i was, i started to spot at six weeks had a scan which showed a sac but no baby, i then enjoured the worst two week of my life by having scan and blood tests. I was told on the 8th on nov the pregnany was not going to continue and i had a blighted ovum, and on the 9th i had a erpc. I have recovered well and stopped bleeding the day after the procedure. I went to see my doc last week who told me i could start ttc asap as long as i feel up to it?? anyone else ttc straight away, last time i was told to wait and i did but this time i have read that there is no lit to say wait apart from to date the pg?? Im hoping there are some people who can share there experiences and someone who wants to join me!

Sorry to hear you're in bah humbug mode at the moment brought - as star says we are subject to ups and numerous downs. It really is still early days.... although in a strange way it feels like a lifetime since the MC. Sending warm thoughts and home made mince pies your way x

Thanks for the info on pre-seed - is that what it's actually called and do you get it from a chemist? I'm wondering if it's legal here... don't want to get slammed in prison while ttc, particularly if there is EWCM around - very inconvenient!

Morning girls
Bloody snow! 3 days of the period left and I aint never gonna get around my calls now, who needs a bonus anyway!
Well a day playing on the hill with the kids will be worth that money anyway I am up already with the snow closures website open!

Preeseed is available on amazon, do you have access to that there wonnay it was lots of good success stories apparently.

Have fun in the snow folks, Except you wonnay don't think it will get as far aa you .
xxxx

Morning all

We have a a little bit of snow this morning, it's only really settled on cars not on the road or pavements but it is a bit brrrr!

wonnay and star if you put 'pre-seed' into the MN search box it comes up with lots of threads with lots of v positive stories. Pre-seed is the brand name I think but you can get other versions, I got mine from Access Diagnostic. As broughthim said it is basically a lubricant which can help the swimmers on their way and make the 'environment' more hospitable so they last longer or something. No idea if it is illegal where you are...not sure how you'd find out either?
I think I might be ovulating, which is a good sign......we are ignoring it this month though. Not really for medical reasons but for mental health, not sure I'm ready for the rollercoaster again yet.

The check-up is into why I've mc twice so not really sure what it'll involve. It is private rather than the NHS so I guess he'll give recommendations for testing and we'll see what we can afford. Otherwise I can be put down for testing on the NHS even after 'only' 2 because I am 37.
brought sorry you are feeling a bit down/sad/angry but I really think to be unusually angry/upset/emotional is totally normal at the moment, it'll come and go.

I had a bit of a bad evening last night. I was at my psychotherapy course and it was my turn to be the therapist. It is a one on one like a 'real' session but the rest of the group including the lecturer are watching you to give critical feedback. So my 'client' started talking about her pregnancy and how she felt about it. I felt like I'd been slapped in the face, i didn't know she was pregnant, she's about the same stage i would have been....and I had to sit there for 15 mins listening to her go on about it with all the other people watching me. I thought I was going to burst out crying or be sick or something. Needless to say I didn't do very well as I was just frozen in shock and couldn't really think of anything appropriate to say. Arrrrggggghh, made it to the end then got home and had a good cry. Have a bit of a headache and gritty eyes now and am on a course all day....and breathe....

Sorry about the rant it's just as not many people know they wouldn't understand how awful it was but I know you ladies will.

Hope everyone has a good day, I'm off to have a shower and pull myself together...

Hi again -well I am feeling a bit more positive - have had only a very faint positive pregnancy test this am at 13 days dpo after getting a strong one last week. So at least my fear of retained products and molar pregnancy have subsided a bit - just have the worst fear that the ERPC has caused asherman's - I dream about it every night and am paranoid - not sure how to help myself there. No poas for that! wonnay its great that you had a scan and all looked good - how long post ERPC was that performed if you don't mind me asking - I might pay for one myself. wonnay and star* I used pre-seed to conceive DS1 so I think it is a good aid.

yellowtomato, that is awful what happened on your course - could you not tell the assessor about your MC.

Brought have a good day with the kids and try not ot worry about work.

I'm back at work tomorrow- I'm a haematology nurse so going to be brave as my patients are all in a much worse place than me right now. My kids are being bit like caged animals at the moment - think it is the weather - they need a good run like dogs!

ingdpo - I wish!!!!!1 Post ERPC. I am dream of saying i got a faint BFP 13 dpo!!!!

dpo- my kids want me off the laptop!!!

Yellow, sounds awful, well done for getting through it! I hope your course today is not an ordeal, and gives you something to focus on. I'm much better when work is busy, when it's quiet I tend to take the piss lose motivation somewhat.
Well, we didn't do the deed last night;
DH (wearily) - "you horny then?"
Me - "erm, not really"
DH - "I'll get the tea on then will I?
Me - "ok then babes"
Settled down on the sofa and shouted at Nigel Slater's simple suppers; his fridge is full of useful 'leftovers', rather than stuff you just have in. Leftover marrow anyone?
We have snow!

sparkly your posts do make me chuckle!

I'm jealous of all you you have dtd! We've still not and in fact haven't since I got pregnant as I felt so rough so in fact it has been......3 MONTHS! Quite worried that DH doesn't seem interested, I'm hope that this whole episode has put him off.

I'm interested in the preseed stories too - I might get some but my problem tends to be that when I find out about something which might increase the chances of conceiving I really get my hopes up. I guess there's no harm in trying.

Since my last bloods, I found out today that my hcg has gone from 2000 last time to 500 this time so I'm not quite there yet but heading in the right direction I guess. Oddly though I'm sure I had some ewcm today but do you think that's possible if there's still some hcg in my system?

wonnay and brought thanks for your AF suggestions, you both win an imaginary bag of percy pigs :)

Welcome kitkey I'm glad you're sounding positive.

yellow I'm so sorry about your evening, that sounded like quite the worst ordeal. Well done for just getting through it, you coped admirably.

I know I shouldn't be jealous of your snow, but I am!

Thanks for the tips on pre-seed everyone - we can get books through Amazon delivered here but I'm not sure about other stuff. May get the next visitor coming through to smuggle some into their suitcase....

Yellowtomato - I can't begin to imagine how hard that must have been last night. Well done for even keeping it together during the class. I'm so sorry you had to go through that - sending hugs.

kitkey - good to see you posting here and v glad to read you are feeling a bit more positive - a bit ironic I guess as the PG line becomes less positive.... sorry to read that Ashermans is worrying you so much - a scan may be just the thing to put your mind at rest. Mine was exactly 2 weeks post ERPC and they do it via an internal scan. I signed the receipt for that plus the culture test and it came to around 120 quid, from memory (but that is of course here, not in the UK). Hope that helps. I wish I could offer something else to help with your anxiety.

sparkly - you do make me chuckle - I think I have repeated / will repeat the same conversation here!

thanks for the percy pigs meltobe! Good news re: your decreasing HCG (again a bit ironic....) and re: the EWCM - while I don't know my HCG levels, I seem to be producing enough EWCM auction it on e-bay at the moment! Anyone else? (sorry if TMI....)

thanks for the update wonnay!

It's £180 or thereabouts for a private gynae scan here in London. I could get one but not sure how much reassurance it would provide as I think HSG is the best way to diagnose and although ultrasound can highlight problems it is not the best way to check! hmmmm I want reassurance but don't want to spend £180 to still be in a stress - I could save the money for an early reassurance pregnancy scan if i was to get so lucky again. I'm starting my hunt for EWCM in the next few days and going to DTD tomorrow as it will 2 weeks after. I think best thing for me to do to stop this flippin worry is track for ovulation - I've got a million ov sticks and then if I get ov but no af - straight to Dr/private gynae - my DH has promised me this if I have got problems as i have driven him loopy with my incessant worry the last 2 weeks (seems much longer than 2 weeks ago that I was told no heartbeat) AS a nurse I never thought ERPC would trouble me and cause worry but you cannot get a straight answer from anywhere about how common asherman's really is. The organistation would have you believe it is very common. My consultant said it was very rare - Why such discrepancy - I always look for research on medical stuff and never before have i found such discrepancy. Sorry for the waffle - DH sick of listening x

kitkey waffle away, that's what we're here for - let's face it, where else can we talk about hcg, ov sticks and EWCM without people thinking we're off the wall?!!

Speaking of EWCM, wonnay.....!!!

I'm worried....I know this is a ttc thread and even though I'm a born again virgin (it would seem) I do want to ttc. My problem is the all consumingness of it all. No sooner had I noticed some EWCM this morning than I was doing an OV stick (which was negative so perhaps it wasn't EWCM after all?!) and it just reminded me of that anxiety that I went through every month for almost a year until I finally got pregnant. I'm far from blessed with an active sex life so for us life really felt like it started revolving on when we 'had' to dtd which takes all the fun away from it and just adds to the stress of it all. It all came flooding back to me today . Grrrr!

Sorry, meant to also ask if anyone uses fertility friend? I wasn't sure because of the not wanted to get too obsessed thing (I am already tho!) but I wondered how easy it is? I only looked at the site briefly but I wondered if it looked a bit complicated?

Afternoon all

Thanks for the kind words and support, I new you gals would understand. I am calmer now and the training today was good and took my mind off it. It is sometimes good to be busy. I did tell my tutor after cos she is my overall assessor for the year but only assesses me every 4 weeks so wanted her to understand what went wrong. We only had about a minute before the next session but she was sympathetic. Unfortunately you cannot control what your 'clients' talk about. Well I'm on Xmas break now until 10th Jan so will be stronger by then. Not really looking forward to seeing her pregnancy progress and knowing that is the stage I should be at but at least it's only once a week. Just hope she's not in my small skills group next year..there are 24 of us and 5 groups.....what are the chances???

wonnay thanks for the EWCM info, I have some, bit less than usual but sounds like you def won't need any pre-seed!

kitkey really sorry that you are having so much anxiety. I haven't read anything about it so don't really have anything useful to say to make you feel better. I tend to think it must be fairly rare or more people would have heard of it. I really have no idea why there would be so much discrepancy but maybe Ashermans society only deal with those that have it and so don't know about all the people that don't? Just ignore me if that's not helpful......

meltobe I tend to ovulate 48 hours after I get EWCM, I know this through ov sticks and when AF appears. So you might be about to ov. I tend to time things to the day after I get EWCM and 2 days after that. It took me a year to get pg both times so I feel your pain. I've not tried ff but I didn't think I needed anything else to stress about. i did have 3 sessions of acupuncture last time, have now bought pre-seed and I had been considering a CBFM but wondered if that might be going a bit too far.......

sparkly we have similar conversations here. Except when it gets to the crucial time of the month when it's like 'ok neither of us want to but let's just get on with it' oh the romance......

Got sent home an hour early from the course because of snow but it's not even settled! Well at least I'm nice and cosy at home and could put a washing on and catch up with you guys. [grins}

Hmm sorry for writing so many long essays!

Damn it.....i want some EWCM!!!!

Got to confess, all this stuff is new to me. I've never taken notice of my cycle and as i got pregnant quickly, never really had to. I do find it all fascinating though. I fancy taking more of an interest next time....it'll keep me busy :)

I'll try Sparkly's husbands approach with DH tonight......are you horny, lol!!! Better than DH's occasional seduction technique of slapping it on me, with a semi on, hoping for a bit :o

Star that is HILARIOUS! Gosh lucky you, I wish I could get pregnant quickly. I wouldn't go there with the cycle stuff if you don't need to - I'm sure it's enough to drive anyone slightly crazy

Having said that....yellow I too have been dabbling with the idea of a CBFM. I find it a really fine balance between wanting to know what's going on and getting obsessed though! And I really wonder whether it's less likely to happen if it's all I think about?! Also, I'm really pleased that you were able to talk to your tutor. I know you can't control what your clients talk about but right now you need plenty of looking after and less exposure to potentially upsetting stuff.

Hope everyone else is doing ok today

Well ladies I have enjoyed this snow day! DH got turned back from work so he came home and suggested we went back to bed!! we had a rumpo session in the day! with the kids playing downstairs!! I do believe this experience has brought us closer together, and I have to say for someone who is usually very careful with his little swimmers he was being remarkably relaxed ( we have successfully used the whip it out method for 9 years) as we have decided to put ttc on hold until feb because of our orlando holiday!

The snow has been a real pain her today tho......the A1 got closed right near out house causing absolute mayhem.

kitkey did you say you had the vaccum method of erpc? as that is alot better than the scraping method for not causing ashermans.

mel I like star havn't had problems conceiving so not used fertility friend, but I do tend to get obsessed with things and don't think it would be healthy for our relationship!

yellow christmas break already!!!!

Got to be quick - going to DTD tonight TMI sorry. Nearly got a BFN today - line barely visible - used up all my cheapies nearly so not going to buy anymore as I am addicted to poas. Brought Yes she showed be what she used and it was just a large plastic vibrator shaped syringe type thing and that was all she used - it took less than 10 mins. I hope it will be OK. I am a real worrier - always have ben -it is annoying to be such a worrier.

Bad day today, suddenly thought this morning that it's been 8 weeks to the day since my scan, and I'd probably be at my 20 week scan today or thereabouts, excitedly finding out whether I was going to have a little boy or girl. Having had a couple of weeks of feeling fine, I now feel horribly fragile and keep getting weepy at work. Not good as I've also cocked up made a minor error so need to be professional in front of really senior people.
The girl at work who's had 3 miscarriages is starting to show. I thought this morning, godammit, you've got my bump!
Just needed to unburden, and as with all things it will pass, hope you're all doing a bit better than me! x

Hi sparkly really sorry that you are having a bad day....it's horrible when dates pop out at you and also difficult to see other pregnant people. At least it's the weekend now so you can have a little time to recover. I hope you feel better soon.
In other news I still have EWCM......that's FIVE days of it, I only usually have it for one day....what does it mean? Normally i know that 48 hours later I'll ovulate......I can't ovulate all week!!!
I am pleased it's the weekend, time to relax.
I am dreading Xmas a bit cos I'd planned exactly how I was going to tell my parents the news (and my in laws) so when I'm there I'll remember the conversation I had imagined I'd be having.
broughthim what a bonus from the snow...rumpy pumpy.....well done!!
kitkey how did dtd go? (I don't need all the details!) How are you feeling? Hope you are feeling a little more relaxed?
My pre-seed hasn't arrived yet, I thought they said 24 hours or something. Hope it doesn't get lost in the post.....or get damaged so they open it and deliver in a clear package.....arggh that could be embarrassing...... should have just gone to Boots..would have been safer.
How is everyone else? Any snow dramas?

Hi it's meltobe with my new name - figured at last that I'm not tobe anything right now so I'd have a change! Mind you I guess I could be to be...about to eat chocolate, to be....about to read grazia etc etc so I guess it could still work. Too late now, I'm wittering.

Oh sparkly it's sad to hear you sounding low - significant dates are really difficult aren't they. I do hope you're feeling brighter today. Sending big hugs your way.

Kitkey sorry that you're feeling so worried about it all, it's a difficult thing to feel relaxed about isn't it? I do hope you're ok.

Which leads me to admit to giving in - I've ordered a CBFM - I know it's not the magic answer but I'm looking upon it as taking charge of my fertility rather than a tool to feed my obsession! I jusr can't be doing with it taking a year again and hope that this just might help.

yellow I think you were thinking of getting one too, let me know if you do! . I too am slightly dreading Christmas. We're going back to the UK for a a couple of weeks and were so looking forward to sharing what would have been our happy news. about your EWCM - what's that all about? They do say you're more fertile after mc so maybe you really are! I hope you're making the most of it!!

Hi Ladies -

Sorry you feel a bit down yellowtomato - it is only natural to dip at these sorts of dates.

koolforcats I think a cbfm would be a good investment - I would love one but have already spent a small fortune of ov tests.

DTD - it was same as before so no different down there since ERPC. Finally got BFN just this am so am starting to DTD a lot from now on , checking for EWCM and POAS daily - I have a lot of cheapies and a clearblue digital pack of ov test. Also I often get AF type pains around ov so know when it's time - just seems a long way off right now - my body feels- well I'm not sure how to describe it out of order/ barren/desert like!

I need a distraction as I'm becoming a bit obsessed with getting up the duff ASAP so much so that I'm not really participating in real life and when i see a pregnant woman my heart sinks.

Morning ladies.
Sorry about your bad time yellowtomato, hopefully it will be easier now you can start trying again properly and I too think lots of EWCM is a very good sign. It certainly doesn't sound like you need preeseed but it's not going to do any harm either!!

kitkey I wish I could help with your obsessivness, it is exactly how I get and why I am not doing the whole POAS daily, maybe christmas could be just the distraction you need, have you got any excuses to get pissed get togethers happening?

sparkly I was sad to read your downbeat post you are usually the most upbeat from the lot of us, with you been a bit further down the road than us since your MC I guess we are seeing our down days are not over .

I would have been 12 weeks today and it is now 28 days since my MC so I am now looking out for AF I had EWCM at around the usual time. My AF is usually very light so I am interested to see if there is any difference now.