TTC after MC, ERPC anyone want to join me??

[nurse47]

Hi ive been posting on the miscarrage forum but now feel ready to start all over again!
My story, Had my first MMC in nov 2007, followed by an erpc (worst moment of my life) this was my first pregnancy and i felt robbed. Waited for two periods and got pg with my little DD in feb 2008, i had a great pg and birth but was on constant knicker alert. We decided when she was two we would like another baby to add to the familiy, we decided to try in sept this year and got pg first time! (very shocked) I was so hoping this would be my time to have a stress free pg and actually enjoy the experience! How wrong i was, i started to spot at six weeks had a scan which showed a sac but no baby, i then enjoured the worst two week of my life by having scan and blood tests. I was told on the 8th on nov the pregnany was not going to continue and i had a blighted ovum, and on the 9th i had a erpc. I have recovered well and stopped bleeding the day after the procedure. I went to see my doc last week who told me i could start ttc asap as long as i feel up to it?? anyone else ttc straight away, last time i was told to wait and i did but this time i have read that there is no lit to say wait apart from to date the pg?? Im hoping there are some people who can share there experiences and someone who wants to join me!

well I dunno if I trust him or not really. He is an 'expert' consultant, works with Lesley Regan at St Marys so meant to be one of the best in the country.

the other tests were all fine so no genetic or clotting issues.

he did the AMH test again today to check and also estrogen and FSH cos they can also indicate or disprove the other test.

he said he was surprised it was so low. He did say that with 0.85 result it is possible to have a successful pg but just unlikely.

It might also be an indicator of early menopause which my Mum had at 38 which I'll be in 2 months.

Basically there isn't really anything we can do. He said IVF won't work and neither of us are prepared to consider donar eggs. So we can continue to try but with the knowledge that if/when I get pg again there is a v high chance of mc. Not a very hopeful picture really but I guess I just have to try to face up to that reality.

Thanks for the support as always ladies, it is really appreciated. I think I'm going to go and lay on the sofa and eat chocolate.

Yellow, so sorry the news was seemingly so depressing. Wombat makes some salient points, is this an isolated fact? Are they saying all 45 year old women have a 75% chance of MC, and it's the 'age' of the blood that is leading them to this figure? I'm crap at statistics, what is the chance of MC for someone over 35? Isn't that about 50%? What else can be done to improve your own egg quality, if anything?

We are here for support and hugs, and I can imagine how numb you must be feeling. Please don't say that it is never going to happen for you though, that is not what has been said!!
Have you started another thread or had a browse on here, there must be people that have had similar news and their experiences will be a valuable source of knowledge and support. Try to stay away from google though, you may only see the bad news at this stage. Stay on here and chat though, it might help you to think it through if you type things out. I hope you don't think I'm just being relentlessly positive and glib, I do think there is hope!

Wombat, glad AF arrived at least for you, even though it finally confirms the BFN's which is always depressing, and also you can do without the bizarrely long cycle, makes it a bit harder to calculate next month. My oversharing boss has just recommended the poas ovulation predictors, she uses them as a method of contraceptive so seemingly they must be pretty accurate.
Oh, feel a bit down now, so sorry for the sadness today, yellow we are here for you x

sparkly sorry for infecting the thread with gloom :(

I have googled and have looked through mn for other experiences. What I've found out is that the result is def very low indeed.....so as to be in the 'almost undetectable' category.

The test seems to have been 'invented' in 2007 and is not available on NHS and is 70% accurate.

Some people seem to be saying that it is just about numbers rather than quality so even if you only do have say 20 eggs left, you only need 1 so that could be fine. But consultant seemed to say it was a quality indicator too.

some people have got pg with low score or even with IVF.

So it doesn't seem to be conclusive but it is not by any stretch a good result.

I'm not sure about the mc stats because I thought 1 in 4 ended in mc for everyone anyway. But his point seemed to be that the egg quality gets worse as you get older and although I am 'only' 37 my egg quality is 8 years older. and it is is at 45 when there would be much less chance of a successful pregnancy whether naturally or IVF because the rate of genetic abnormalities increases dramatically by that time.

I think all we can do is keep trying but try to manage our expectations down.

Thanks again for the support ladies. And please do continue to discuss ttc/pg (for those who are) symptoms etc because I can be happy for you guys whilst absorbing my news. I don't want you guys to think you can't discuss trivia/have fun on the thread now cos i've been so gloomy.

For eg we've got the big CDWM sparkly experience tomorrow to look forward to. :)

Good idea sparkly with starting another thread on here - there is so much knowledge out there to share and far more accurate than Google. Yellow- V glad to hear that he has repeated the tests and done another couple for verification. When do you get those results?

Can't begin to imagine the range of emotions you must be feeling right now. Loads of hand holding from us all as you work through it.

sorry x-post with you yellow. Once again, I have huge admiration for your positivity and strength and you are NOT infecting the thread with gloom - while we can't relate to exactly how you are feeling, we are in this together and supporting you all the way through the good and the tougher times.

There are a number of stats etc, re: mc, again depending on where you read them and also every woman is completely unique.

I will take you up on your suggestion to continue to discuss ttc. I have decided to start charting and temping via fertilityfriend.com owing to v odd cycle this month. sparkly - I do use OPK POAS - just wish they weren't so flaming expensive here - they only do the digi clearblue ones - approx GBP40 for 7 sticks..... however, a good investment, methinks.

yellow - you are one special tomato x

I should get those results by mid next week.

I think I will start a thread, maybe next week when I have a full set of results.

wellie sorry I didn't reply to you, thanks for your reply/hug/support

I think that the frustrating thing is that it seems there is nothing I can do except to carry on and hope. But not too much hope as I also need to be realistic. Yes women do have babies at 45 but are they their own eggs? I think even if I don't miscarry the chances of there being other problems are high.

www.advancedfertility.com/amh-fertility-test.htm (when I preview there is a gap in 'test' at the end which you'd need to close)

Did you find this site yellow?

You might need to copy and paste, I've no idea how you do a linky thing like wot clever wombat and the like can.
0.85 would put you in the 'low normal' range if I am reading it correctly. There are two further ranges below this one. Where I work, on a scale of achievement that would get you a payrise
Stay a bouyant tomato, do not get yourself passata'd.
The site also says the levels probably do not affect egg quality, as reflected by your other research, so you will have productive eggs amongst the slacker ones.
DH also wishes to point out that 1 in 4 odds is good at the bookies, but he admits this may be scant and insufficient consolation.
More hugs, and remember not all women are rich and coddled celebrities, I reckon a lot of normal 45 year old women became pregnant using their own equipment

Hello ladies - was wondering if I could join in? Have mostly been lurking in the BESH corner, but kinda fit the bill for this thread too... be aware, most of what follows is a rant. Don't feel the need to read it if you're 1. Happy about your recent BFP; 2. Are about to leave the country and have more important things to do; 3. Have just had bad news and are feeling like protecting yourself; 4. Are sick of angry frustrated MN-ers hijacking threads to talk about themselves...

A-hem.

I am 36 and am in the final throws of my 2nd mc. The first was down to an unexpected pregnancy in July 2009, and I lost it in September. I am also a closet hippy Sparkly and it all finished naturally. There was some pretty serious bleeding along the way, but had minimal medical intervention. 4 weeks from beginning spotting to end.

It then took me 13 months to conceive again. I started spotting the weekend before Christmas, and had a scan on 22 December. I have been obsessively charting and was 100% sure of my dates. I should have been 8 weeks gone, but the baby only measured 6 weeks with no heartbeat. The doctor said it looked fine for 6 weeks, and was predictably patronising when I told her it was two weeks behind. My heart broke then and there and I decided once more that I should have as little to do with the medics as possible.

Bleeding started for real on 23 December and got really bad for a while - was off to Canada for the holidays. After 5 days of bad bleeding and hideous cramps the bleeding got lighter, I got back to London and had another scan on 7 January. The baby was gone, as was all pregnancy tissue, however my womb was still 13.5mm thick. I was told that anything under 15mm was expected to resolve itself. She may have offered me an ERPC, but I didn't hear her (or didn't want to hear her), and left expecting to be done and dusted within the next week. I spotted for a few days, then started gushing blood again last Thursday 13. This was really scary and bad until Tuesday (on Monday tried to get another scan - the first they could do was Friday; tried to get my doctor interested - can't do anything until after the scan... They can tell I hate them...). I think I'm done now. Hope I'm done now. Scan tomorrow and back to work for me asap. Has anyone else had nightmare stories with their miscarriages? Mine seem to be long and at stages pretty freaky. It figures I guess as my periods are very heavy too.

The real reason I'm angry with the medics I guess is their arrogance coupled with their disinterest in me as an individual. They confidently declare that you and your body should perform according to bloody statistics. When you throw something in it rarely seems welcome or respected. Yet when you say, "why did this happen," they say they don't know. When you're me, and are feeling the ticking clock of time passing at 36, they say no to fertility clinics and no to miscarriage testing, pat you on the head and say, "you really have a good chance of having a healthy pregnancy next time." And the dreaded, "at least you know you can get pregnant." I just want to scream at them that if I have to wait another 13 months to get pregnant again, I'll be 37. If I miscarry that one, I will finally be getting tests done when I'm 38. So I will have spent 3 years messing around when if I'd been taken seriously at the off, (and whatever issue I have is sortable) I could have had this sorted and had one or two kiddies clinging to my legs. It's just so frustrating.

However am almost at the end of this, and my hormones will hopefully be back to normal any day now. Am really looking forward to having my body back. Am really looking forward to wanting my DP to touch me again. Am really looking forward to ttc again, and am really really hoping that the next one is a sticky one. My thoughts to you all and bests wishes for sticky beans all round.

Rant over.

Hi BrownB, your 4 provisos at the beginning of your rant musings will have had most of the ladies mentally ticking off the points ("nope, nope, yup that's me, yup)
Welcome! As always, I am very sorry that you find yourself here, and personally speaking I can't contemplate how awful it would be to find yourself in this situation a second time. Having had one mc, perhaps selfishly I don't want to go there.

You have had a shitty time and will inevitably feel very angry as part of the grieving process. The medical profession is not fluffy by nature, and they make me feel like a stupid child in the main, so I agree with being annoyed at the patronising metaphorical head-patting. Maybe one inevitably stops seeing people as an individual when dealing with tragic events on a daily basis.

Here is a good place to vent anyway (not that we can stop you, though I do have rotten tomatoes to pelt! ); you will find us supportive, in the main positive, and a tad porny open-minded!
I'm feeling all cuddly so will send newbie hugs your way, rant any time, it was most lucidly done!

By the way, I am 37 next week

Thanks sparkly

I think that there are 2 scales and if you look at this website I am on the one on the left the pmol one so in the 'very low/undetectable column'
results

But what does confuse me is that the test does seem to be about how well you respond to IVF and how many eggs you have left rather than quality whereas I'm sure he was saying that the reason for the mc was poor egg quality as indicated by this test.....hmmm, I have asked on other forums and set up a post and one lady said: I did not think that there was a link betweek AMH and M/C but I am not an expert. For you to be concieving with an AMH so low is amazing. AMH is supposedly a measure of the number of eggs left, but it says nothing about quality of the eggs. So for you to have become pregnant twice with such a low level is incredible. .. I was told by the RMC unit at St Mary's (Prof Lesley Regan) that the AMH test means nothing and is not worth doing except maybe in cases where you are going to do IVF.

So now I'm most

hello brownb sorry you've been having a hard time....I've had bad results today so am feeling a bit down and the advice I'd give from where I am is go private and get whatever tests you might need asap.

Oh yellow ...I don't know what to say.....
That is just awful news, but as the lady on the other thread said, you did conceive so all hope is not gone. I have no clue about what those tests mean, but it does sound strage that if the test was for the amount of eggs it means more chance of a M/C I always thought an egg was an egg.
Welcome to the thread brown although sorry you have found yourself here.....fingers crossed your body has finished buggering you around and will now behave and produce you a sticky bean, along with all of us of course.

Think we are all ticking on this thread sparkly although I am in the lucky position of already having 2 DC's .
( and I know you porny comment was aimed at me ) Good luck for the CDWM tomorrow night, maybe you will get pissed nice and relaxed and have some good quality SWI.

Wombat that is very expensive! could you not get someone to post you some??
Your parties all sound great tho. Sorry your AF got you, onwards to next month with a hopefully normal 28 day cycle for you.

Nothing here to report I am on the lookout for EWCM, not that I intend to use it this month so close to Florida hol, but just keeping track of my days. I used to feel really horny affectionate before OV before I had the M/C, but haven't had that since, which I am taking as a sign my hormones are rubbish. My Mum had an early menapause too.

Hi Brownb. I'm sorry the medics have been so crappy....i do wonder if they are this blase when/if they find theirselves in this position. I doubt it :(. Is private investigation an option? Just a thought if you really are struggling with the notion of having to wait years potentially before getting to the bottom of if there are any underlying issues. Lots of happy thoughts though and hopefully, 3rd time will be perfectly smooth for you :)

Yellow, i'm so sad that you feel so down about this. It's coming accross like this has really hit you like a tonne of bricks and knocked you off your focus. Keep smiling girly as you are our little miss positive. Have faith in those little eggs and keep believing. Try not to let yourself start thinking negatively and fight those crappy statistics cos that's all they are....statistics. If you did well to get pregnant according to that mumsnetter then you can do it again and be the statistic that carries to term. :) Big hugs, chin up and lots of love (and chocolate, wine and cheese....oh and percy pigs!!)

Worm are you staying on site at Disney or are you in a villa? I think we've seen the villa we will hopefully book and it's on Windsor Hills so nice and close for the parks. If you intend to shop, then go to orlando premium outlets website and sign up and it will send you a whole host of vouchers. 25-30% off on some!! Which parks are you thinking of?
I really can't wait. DH's parents and my sister and her partner are coming along with us. DH is contracted in his work till June 2012 and he's hoping to sort an extension out before we go away up until June 2013 which will give us a bit more stability. We can only go away in June so i've had to request the full 10 days off school. Only handed it in today and it's a new school so not sure how they operate, but fingers crossed it all gets authorised

Morning all and happy Friday - yay!

yellow - how are you doing today? Did you manage to get any sleep or was your mind doing cartwheels.....? So pleased to hear that you are getting some positive responses from your queries - it's no wonder you're feeling - I think waiting for the next results and then starting a thread is a great idea. YOu will probably find you start a whole support group on AMH levels.

brownb - sorry to hear your medics have been so unempathic and unhelpful. I second the advice of going private if possible - while it may be ouch financially, for your state of mind it may be an excellent investment and you will at least feel as if you're doing something and taking back a degree of control that your body will seem to be dictating to you right now. Sorry also that you had such a hard time physically - I admire your strength.

sparkly - good going on the AMH research. I started yesterday and got myself all confused....

mrsb - how are you doing? Not heard from you since you were feeling down - hope you're ok.

worm and star - loving the sound of your Disney plans! Hope the school is flexible star and worm, keep us posted on the EWCM, even though you're not trying kind of/sort of....! Also, good plan re: getting the OPKs posted here - the slight issue with that is the big black hole of the post office quite a bit of my stuff has disappeared into. You only get a PO Box here, no such thing as a residential postal address so it can be something of a lottery. Hoping that NZ or Aus has cheaper versions so I will stock up while we're there, assuming of course there is no BFP by then and and .....

It's the marathon on here today so off to hit the streets for a run soon as they should be lovely and quiet and free of all the usual panting mad health freaks casual joggers.

Sorry yellow - just seen that you have started a post already - looks like galwaygirl has been v helpful. Hope you get some other inputs too x

Morning girls
star We are just staying on idrive, we are florida virgins so have just done a package deal from virgin.......(see what I did there?) We shopped around for the park tickets and have gone for 7 days with 7 free for the disney parks, and a 15 day Universal flexi ticket. We havn't included Busch gardens/ seaworld parks this time as we think there will be enough! I want to go to wet and wild so we will probably just pay on the gate for that one. Thanks for the tip re the outlets....do I register now then while we are here ??? DSIL has just come back and is sending me her kids eat free vouchers which aparently dont get checked ??.
I only need to sort 5 days off school as its half term 1 week.
wombat Fingers crossed you don';t need to buy those sticks :)
Well the EWCM search is not fruitful, last month I was swimming in the stuff on these days in my cycle and tday is day 13. Think I may order some preseed.

Hope you are ok as you can be yellow
xxxx

Hi Ladies, long time no speak, have been a bit awol thanks to internet breaking on my work laptop, leaving me at the mercy of my iphone which is far better to read with than type I find!

Have thus borrowed DH's computer to send big hugs to yellow, I'm so sorry the result was so sad and confusing, but as others have said you mustn't let that put you off. I seem to be reading so many stories lately - both here and in the papers - of women who've given birth to beautiful babies 'despite the odds'. And plus, so far you have just one opinion, so try not to let that shape your whole thinking (I know that's easier said than done though). Just keep trying as you have been , try to get a second opinion and don't be put off. Am thinking about you and sending you lots of love and luck.

BrownB Am sorry to hear your story, it's a difficult enough time to cope with without feeling uncared for by the hospital. Feel free to rant here any time of course. Even though I've only just been through mc myself I find it so hard to find the right words, so I'm just going to send you (((hugs))) and lots of good wishes.

wombat Sorry you're in limbo but am keeping fx for a positive result for you x

worm and star We're off to Disney in 5 weeks! Haven't been for a few years but love the place, booked it the week before I found out I was pg and have been using the fact that I can now go on the rides and drink cocktails as a positive going forward. My tip on the Premuim Outlets - there's an amazing shop that sells make-up like Mac, Bobbi Brown etc at about a third of the cost of at home so save some pennies (or I should really say cents) to spend there!

congrats to the BFP ladies

As for me, I had an all-clear scan on Jan 5th and the consultant said the bleeding at new year was probably AF, which pleased me for the first time ever! Have been temping and using opks, which put me currently 4dpo but the temps aren't as high as I'd like and its currently confusing me more than anything because I'm worried I haven't ovulated! I think I might pop across to the Charters' thread while I'm online and try and get some advice.

waves to anyone I haven't mentioned and hugs to all x

Hi all
Yellow, how utterly frustrating and confusing for you. It's horrible having the really bad news about the levels but not really getting a satisfactory explanation as to why it's bad. Glad to hear you are getting more advice from elsewhere on MN but I would go back to your gp and ask for another referral for a 2nd opinion. Tell them you just don't understand what the first one was saying. Take care x

Brown, welcome to the thread, so sorry to hear about your experience and how you feel let down by the medics you've been seen by. It makes things so much harder to bear when you don't feel like you've been treated properly.

Disney trips sound fantastic. I went a few times as a child and loved it, I am desperate to take our boys but dh needs some persuading. Also need to do a bit of saving!

Nice to see you strawberry.

Don't think we've heard from kitkey for a while. Are you lurking? Hope you're ok. I am feeling all over the place . Keep telling myself that I am just pregnant and that doesn't necessarily lead to a baby so not to get involved but then I just have really weepy moments when I think about going through it all again. I have slightly more sickness but not much and no sore boobs boobs but I am only 6 weeks so I guess that's ok. Feel v much like I did last time and nothing went wrong till 9 weeks so maybe all is ok at the moment. Less than a week now until my gp appointment then I'll ask for an early scan.

Hi to everyone else. Good luck with monitoring everything and enjoy the swi. X

Ha ha, loads of boobs!

Morning all

Thank you so much for all your kind words and support. It really means so much to me and even makes me a bit tearful that you're all so lovely.

I got pissed last night and kind of passed out rather than fell asleep. Had rooms spins which I haven't had for ages and so am feeling a little bit today (that is meant to be sick not envious!

I'm not really sure how I feel today. i think confused is the closest feeling. Not really sure what, if anything, to do next.

I think I'll wait for the results of yesterdays tests which I should get early next week. The consultant did say I could email with any questions so I think I'll email him for clarification and also for a written record of all the test results including those that were 'fine'

What I might do then is go to the GP with the results and ask for a referral to the RMC cos they said they would see me after only 2 mc because of my age. I don't think the NHS even tests AMH so they might have some other test.

but on the other hand I'm not sure if it is worth it because all the other tests were fine and if I've got bad quality eggs or they are running out nothing can be done about it. We already know we're not going to go the donar route or try IVF so it seems like just trying not to think about it and see what happens might be the best option.

I do think though that I need to manage my expectations down. I thought it might not be easy and might take a while but I'd get my baby in the end but I think I need to adjust that thinking to a more realistic place.

Anyway, enough about me for one day!

I'm very jealous about all these holiday plans..florida, NZ aren't you a jet setting lot? Maybe I should also plan a holiday....hmm need to get a job first though!

manamana glad you are not feeling too sick yet...I can relate to how you must be feeling as I was very nervous in my last pg and know I would be again. I think your approach is right though, just try to take one day at a time. It's all you can do.

kitkey where are you and how are you feeling?

worm get the pre-seed, can't hurt can it but do put less than they say otherwise you could become a bit too erm lubricated

wombat if you can't get cheaper opks in NZ I'd be happy to send you some. Or can you just order them from the internet? Or is that illegal too? I am impressed with the running, I've been so lazy this week....maybe I should focus on optimum fitness too, healthy in body and mind!

strawberry good luck with the charting.....that has always confused me and I think I'm too lazy to manage to wake up at the same time each day to take the temp. At the mo my EWCM is a good indicator and last cycle was back to normal, only 1 or 2 days longer.

star I have fingers crossed it gets authorised too......are you a teacher? I can't remember if you've said before?

MrsB33 how are you?

sparkly is everything ready for tonight? I'm very excited and I'm not even going to be there....you must update us with all the details. I also need to know how much alcohol is consumed between how many people because I always wonder how I manage to get through so much. Re the mc in a weird way I found the second easier than the first because the first was a total shock and I never thought it would happen to me and didn't know what to expect....I'm not saying it was fun or easy but it was easier.......i was a bit more prepared in some ways. My tick tock is now deafening....especially with my 45 year old eggs....

wellie how are you today?

Ok well I think that's a long enough post! Thanks again all you lovely people, big hugs and a sloppy kiss to you all.

hi ladies, sorry not been around for a couple of days, been trying to keep my mind and body busy and trying not to dwell on things too much, it will happen when it happens, it happened once right!!!
yellow god im so sorry about your news, not sure what else to say really, just hope you get some much needed answers soon.
Wombat thanks for the ttc advice and everyone else who had an imput, feel a little silly now, after what yellow is going through, i think i had a moment of sheer panic.
But thanks ladies, feel alot more positive now that were doing everything right
(maybe now i can let dh off from the every day swi action and reduce it too every other day this peak fertile window) the poor begga!! No wonder he hasnt been near me since new year, im suprised his pecker hasnt fallen off!!!
Welcome brown, sorry youve found yourself here and been through some shit times, especially over xmas and new year.
Waves to all, poor dh has had a two week break may see if i can tempt him back into a bit swi action tonight, a cheeky curry and bottle of red, that should do it!!! thats if his pecka has recovered enough!!! If not i recon my little friend maybe needed......

Catch you all laters. X

What time does it start sparkly?

Hello ladies. Thanks for your kind greetings. Today the dildocam told me I'm finally done with this miscarriage. And my body listened, and the bleeding has almost stopped. Am sad, but have a chocolate cake in the oven (for real, not some sick euphemism), so things will be fine in my house soon...

All that's left for me is to finish the book(s ) on miscarriage, and decide what dosh is available for mc clinics/acupuncture etc etc. If anyone here has had a win after similar tales of woe - what was the best thing you did?

Yellow - that's a proper fucker. Am not sure what you would prefer by way of gift... <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=blog.officelinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Chelsea-Chocolate.jpg&imgrefurl=blog.officelinks.com/2010/chocolate-cocktails-and-art-for-a-cause/&usg=__m99gC-BVb4AiWVojnAZhwUaHyhw=&h=300&w=400&sz=79&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=TyU7OTUTGbtZtM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=195&ei=Kr05TbDsJMqahQeNyOGRCg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchocolate%2Bcocktails%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1278%26bih%3D680%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=256&vpy=223&dur=14373&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=89&ty=102&oei=Kr05TbDsJMqahQeNyOGRCg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">This? Or maybe <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.nightclub.com/files/ncb/nodes/2009/354/CucumberSpaCocktail.jpg&imgrefurl=www.nightclub.com/bar-management/organic-green-spirits/greening-your-bar&usg=__amDHWeaRMV9rE_iIDb-Js1hmlvI=&h=530&w=400&sz=198&hl=en&start=21&zoom=1&tbnid=ya7IOditL5L3qM:&tbnh=158&tbnw=112&ei=nr05TeDiFuOAhAfWl5CKCg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgreen%2Bcocktails%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1278%26bih%3D680%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C390&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=346&vpy=332&dur=3689&hovh=258&hovw=195&tx=118&ty=212&oei=mr05TfTZCNC2hAfB5pydCg&esq=2&page=2&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:21&biw=1278&bih=680" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this. Or as you're feeling a little green, maybe just <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3092/images/3092_MEDIUM.jpg&imgrefurl=www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3092/ultimate-chocolate-cake&usg=__1AecnzxgoXi0jwsKULbIv0AH_oQ=&h=400&w=440&sz=38&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Ktn0syAnQea-qM:&tbnh=161&tbnw=201&ei=9L05TcHEGMKxhQfXz-TQCg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchocolate%2Bcake%2Brecipe%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1278%26bih%3D680%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=594&vpy=123&dur=3885&hovh=214&hovw=235&tx=147&ty=108&oei=4b05TaTeMcKxhQeuxJyYCg&esq=4&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this. Feel free to throw all three all over the place if you're in a bad mood, or are still hungover.

oooh brownb I'll have all 3 please!

at pecker!
Gotta be quick, I'm panicking. The tuiles have fallen apart, and it's taken me about 30 minutes to light all the bloody candles, the place will probably go up in flames later! Actually typing on the loo, such is the urgency to multi-task!
I'm quite looking forward to it now I'm prepped, could do with a bevvy though - will let you know how much is consumed by counting the carnage bottles tomorrow!
Thanks for the sloppy kiss, DH is away tonight so that's all I'm getting but swi begins in earnest tomorrow. EWCM so far disapointing, despite grapefruit juice, curses!
love to all, will check in tomorrow to let you know how it went x

Just a quick one....
Yes worm you can register now and print all your coupons off before you go.
No yellow, not a teacher. I'm at home with the kids for now.
We're using the May half term from the tuesday of it, but gonna need all the 10 days they can authorise. Some schools have started to unauthorise any holiday during term time. We moved to South Yorkshire in August so it's a new school and we're not exactly sure how they will be. DH says he couldn't care less what they say and will be taking him out regardless . We literally have June when we can book and need to be back by about the 23rd so are really restricted. There's not even any weekends we can go away throughout the year so hopefully they'll be understanding of the situation :)