Charter's Anonymous: Volume 3, here's to better luck this time for us all!

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A shiny new thread girls and hopefully we shall all get merrily up-duffed with sticky beans

Here's hoping that it's your month MrsA

I am now on 12DPO and apart from the very unusually ouchy boobs I've had no symptoms, that is until a few hours ago.

I've started to feel very achey & crampy on my left side. Felt a bit like OV pain, with the odd stab thrown in for good measure. Now the left hand side of my back is starting to ache, with the occasional twinge in the lower part of my stomach.

Either AF is on her way or........

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2de1f3

Link not working for me for some reason, Ifat. Not sure why...hope is good nes though!

Clench away during, MrsA. I do the same and still works for me! As long as it's not all gushing out immediately afterwards I'm sure it's fine . You're right, there is a theory that female orgasm causes contractions of the vagina that cause the cervix to dip down and kind of suck up the sperm. But sadly he has to come first! But that's not necessary - just more fun!

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Hi all,

Iwish from what I've read you must keep taking your thyroxine whilst ttc. At the first sniff of a BFP get straight back to the GP for a review. Pregnancy places a lot of demands on your thyroid and an increased dose of thyroxine in pregnancy is usually needed to help protect the pregnancy (especially in the 6-8 week mark).

GetDown I agree with Lady, I would hold off with the hormones until you've got your first AF. I have no scientific basis for this, just a feeling that a slightly confused body should get a chance to settle down first.

Hi Terrys I wondered where you'd gone! Glad you're enjoying your SWI and when your DH gets tired, remind him he's on a promise! I seem to recall when your AF started he vowed to do it every day! If I was you I wouldn't worry too much about identifying EWCM/semen (would check it but not do any of the groteseque experiments) and just keep going until you see a temp rise.

MrsA sorry you're so frustrated. FWIW I agree that you could have ov'd in the CD23-CD25 window so may not be as far into your LP as you thought. As long as your LP is 10+ days it should be fine, less than that makes people more twitchy but does NOT mean you can't get pg. A textbook LP of 14 days would be my ideal because as well it would mean pg dating was easier, and I wouldn't worry at all about a little bean not having time to implant.

IfAtFirst your chart is beautiful! Classic CD14 ovulation, lovely steady LP phase, nice length LP, well timed shagging. A* for you! And fingers crossed this is finally it.

Lady I hope you're getting on ok. Do you have any kind of early scan planned or are you pootling along waiting for the dating one?

Thanks for all of your supportive comments yesterday, it was a crap day. Not that today has been a huge amount better quite frankly. I did my first full day at work but was upset before I even got there and cried all the way (drove carefully though!).
Shortly after I arrived a woman came into my office and said "Nice to see you back, how are you feeling Ah well these things happen, now - I'm looking for a parcel..."
I could barely speak and as soon as she left was sobbing. It was so dismissive and hurtful.

Why are people so stupid?! What's wrong with just saying "So sorry to hear what happened".

Had a few further bouts of tears (mainly triggered by people being caring and concerned) and have come home knackered to flop on the sofa with chocolate hobnobs. And have mysteriously started bleeding again
Perplexed.

Sorry, me again. Chart here

Anyone got any knowledge of spotting? Esp so soon after losing a pregnancy?

It's not totally clear on my chart, but basically I had 1 day of spotting then 3 day proper AF, then 1 day of brown spotting (end of AF). Then nothing for 24 hours. Then we had sex in the evening and I suddenly had a big mess of bright red blood during/straight after. Then nothing for nearly 48 hours. Then this afternoon I had a few weird pains in my abdomen area and suddenly wet pants. Cue more fresh blood, but just a small mess not a flow.

I am confused I have never bled other than during a period before.

Today:
Work - check
SWI - check

Ifatfirst what a lovely chart you have - its looking good so far! What's your usual cycle length? Definitely more stable temps than last month.

spilt please don't let yourself be upset by idiots. I don't know if what happened to you is conceivable by many people, its just such a horrible thing you went through that some people probably don't know how to deal with it. Also if that lady hasn't had children then I don't think she could understand the magnitude of giving birth to Bobbie. I can't even begin to imagine it but I have given birth so I can relate to that experience and I cannot imagine how much pain you are going through. As I said earlier, just keep going, you are doing great!

I hope you don't mind me asking but I have been wondering if you found out what sex Bobbie is? Please don't answer this if you don't want to!

No idea on your bleeding though, sorry!

Terrys good work today. We hopefully will find out gender at the consultant appointment on Thursday. It's dependent on the skin sample having grown properly in a culture. If it's grown they can check lots of genetic things which will also give the gender. If it hasn't we will never know. Either way I'm sure it will hit me like a truck. I would love to be able to say "he" or "she" though. I spend ages reconstructing sentences to avoid saying "it".

The stupid woman has grown up kids so God knows what she was thinking. Some people have the sensitivity gene removed at birth

UCL is 28/29 days, so FF has given me a test day of Friday!

Spilt - so sorry to hear about the insensitive comments that you've had to deal with "ah well these things happen" So for you!

Hi Spilt not sure on the bleeding. Could it be the end of AF? Or, the othe thought I had is that you may have a bit of cervical erosion after the pregnancy and birth and having sex just irritated it and caused the bleeidng? If you're concerned maybe call the Doctor. Did they give you a number for follow up care at all?

And sorry that woman was such a bitch. Some people have no idea

I have no early scan offered/planned in. My booking appt is at 8 weeks so will mention it then if get that far. I bled early on with with DS and with the one I lost so would seem odd to wait til 12 weeks for a scan. Although I REALLY don't want to see any blood.

Fingers crossed, Ifat!

spilt i hope you dont mind me replying. Im sorry to hear you are having to deal with that at work :( you are strong for being back already with what you have gone through. (i caught up on the late MC thread started by iloveblue so now i know your background)

Re the bleeding.... are you still in the WTF cycle post MC or have you had 1 period already? Or was that it? my MC bleed lasted for 3 weeks, i then didnt AF for another 4 weeks but i had sporadic bleeding in between where it quite literally (TMI filled pants and it was red/clotty. From what i have read, heard on here the body takes time to recover, and can play all sorts of mind games on you post MC...sadly. It can also take a bit of time for 'everything' to clear the womb.

You are doing really well, xx

Back for more charting advice in a couple of days x

LadyG could you afford a private scan? We had one with DS at 8 weeks (because I couldn't believe I was PG!) and it was about £90. I would def pay for one again if we get that far!

spilt I hope Thursday gives you some answers and some comfort!

Ifatfirst I am excited for you! I really hope you and MrsA conceive this month as you two have certainly SWI-ed enough!! I am hoping that is the key for us this month!!

Follow up care at this stage I think was just GP. I am seeing the nurse practioner on Fri anyway so I will monitor things and talk to her then. I might also pick the consultant's brains on Thurs (it is a gynae consultant).

Lady I remember it feeling like an age waiting for the 12 week scan and I was crapping myself about the possibility of a mmc being detected then (ooh the irony) but it was amazing to have that first sight of Bobbie as such a developed baby bobbing around and wriggling away. We were awestruck and hadn't realised how formed they are so soon. DH hadn't realised they could even move then! (and Bobbie was never still ). This is very waffly and I'm not quite sure what point I am trying to make, esp since you've done the baby/scan thing already and know what you should see... but the 12 weeker will be brilliant, worth the wait.

nickster thank you and bless you for doing your homework and reading my looooong other thread

Bleeding wise, I bled for about 2 weeks after the birth, then nothing for 4 ish weeks then this AF/spotting puzzle.

It just would seem so bizarre if it was MC stuff still. I mean - the placenta and baby both came out intact, and looooads of blood and fluid etc just before delivery, so I don't know what else would be there to come, or why it would stop for so long. Ho hum. Hopefully it will go away. I just hope I can actually have a normal enough cycle to make it worth even bothering to SWI!

Filling pants sounds scary though, poor you that must have been really upsetting.

Ah, sorry spilt please don't think I am a cyber stalker! I had read some of that thread before, just put two and two together is all :) could it just be that hormones are a bit squew whiff still hence the strange bleed? My first period post mc was far from normal!

I hope you have to deal with less insensitive folks tomorrow x

sorry about the crappy day split and the unhelpful woman. I think some people just have very low emotional intelligence.

I don't really know about your spotting I'm afraid, definitely worth asking at your next appointment. I'm sure it's just the hormones settling down though.

I've got over my moment of madness earlier re, the progesterone cream. Twas a stupid idea. Ah well.

Hope your temps do a big leap tomorrow MrsA.

Here's my chart GetDown's chart I've been a bit naughty and "discarded" my strange reading yesterday. We'll see what tomorrow brings!

nickster I don't think you're a stalker! I prefer to think of you as a fan

Ooh GetDown your chart has decided you ov'd on CD23 which is what I thought. I feel like I have just got an exam question right

Only because I discarded the wonky temp though

That's fine! I'm always discarding wonky temps. Naughty girl.

We could afford a private scan but TBH not sure how much it would reassure me. I always heard if you saw a HB then you only had a 3% chance of miscarrying. Sounds reassuring, right? Well I was that 3%. So not sure. But it's all sooo looong away. Not even 5 weeks til Thursday

Oh LadyG I didn't realise you had an early scan last time. I had also heard that once you heard HB the risk was very low. I am very for your loss (not sure if I have said that before.) I think that the scan is nice to see and be reassured that it exists and it can bridge the long gap between BFP and 12 week scan but I don't think it will remove your fears. So all in all, I have no idea what to suggest!

This whole TTC-ing, being PG and being a parent just throws us into a non-stop world of worrying, why do we do it to ourselves!?!?

morning all x

Wow you guys have been busy in here!
split I hope today is a better day for you. And thank you for the advice re my thyroid, you would think that the doc would give us some kind of info!!
Morning all, hope you all are well. There are so many on this thread now I'm not sure where to start, not that I have much to say being a newbie to this site. Think I may be out again for this month as the cramps have worked their way in so I think I will try temping this time but may come to you all for you expert advice :) hope that's ok.

Hi ladies!

Sorry to see your temps have taken another dip today MrsA... Do you feel that AF is on the way?

Mine have taken a hike today GetDown's Chart but probably only because I had a terrible night, with hardly any sleep

Anyone else suffer with insomnia?? It is such a pain when it comes to charting!