Charter's Anonymous: Volume 3, here's to better luck this time for us all!

[spilttheteaagain]

A shiny new thread girls and hopefully we shall all get merrily up-duffed with sticky beans

Hi Getdown. Do you know what caused that odd temp spike on day18? Could you have hadd a disturbed night? Or drunk alcohol night before? I wonder what it does if you exclude that data point? You could have ovved day 21 and actually be having a dip right now?

Hi Lady nice to see you again. Thanks for responding!

The spike on CD18 is a weird one. I think I had a disturbed night, but strangely I haven't recorded it on my chart. I did have some bad nights this past week though. Haven't had any alcohol this week.

I don't think I could have ov'd on day 21 as I had a +OPK on day 22 - LH should have dropped after ov. shouldn't it?

Ah, I don't know. I know I just have to wait and see what happens with temp tomorrow, but it's so frustrating!!

How are you Lady?

Hi GetDown

Looking at your chart so far it's hard to say. CD22 shows + OPK, HSO cervix and EWCM so it looks like the most fertile point. Looking at the temp shape I'd currently guess at ovulating on CD23 but would keep up the SWI until it's clearer.

So sorry to hear about your recent loss. You're in good company, lots of us here have lost babies in the last couple of months and are doing a lot of venting and crying as well as charting. If it helps to talk about it, please do.

I went back to work for the first time yesterday (just did a half day - GP has given me a phased return) and it went a lot better than I expected. I did cry when my boss asked how I was doing and he tried to send me home then. He was very sweet actually and was nearly in tears too - I think he wanted to give me a hug but wasn't sure if he should so he sat on my desk and patted my hand . I was absolutely shattered and came home with a monster headache. Worst bit over now hopefully?

Work fortunately don't seem to give a monkeys what I do really and have said to come and go as I can and not worry about it. They've told me I can take time out in the nice counselling room if need be, and can book to see the counsellor if that would help (she's in 1 day a week and the rest of the time the room is open for those that need an escape). Thank God for a decent employer.

6 weeks tomorrow since Bobbie was born, I have no idea where the time has gone.

AF finished now so here we go again.

Thanks so much spilttheteaagain I am so sorry to hear about Bobbie Keep talking about him and using his name. You will never forget him.

It's good your work have been understanding. That must help a lot to not have the added pressure of having to be "fine" again so soon.

6 weeks is not very long ago really.

Well done for getting through your first day back, I do think that would be the hardest hurdle, so hopefully it will get a bit easier from now on.

Thanks re. my chart. I just need to wait and see what temps do next. I felt sure I ov'd on wednesday as I had all the right signs, and ov pain on the left hand side (it was def right hand side last cycle). But as this is a post MC I have no idea what to expect - maybe you can have all the signs but your body not produce an egg? Who knows.

Anyways thanks for welcoming me. I will let you know what happens tomorrow.

Hi Getdown. I'm good thanks. Mega paranoid but just happy to be pregnant for now and really hoping it sticks this time.

As Spilt says is a bit conflicting but WTF cycles can be very confusing. I didn't conceive in mine despite plenty of well timed action. Had a v short LP though. Hopefully a few more temps will clarify things.

Oooh, Spilt. End of AF - you go girl. I think you've been really brave going back to work and the hardest part is over now. Sounds like they're being great which must be a comfort. Can't believe it has been six weeks, hon.

I also had a useless LP on my WTF cycle (only 7 days) and struggled to pinpoint ovulation - still not utterly certain when it was even after AF arrived! I think the body is quite confused after a loss so your cycle may well not be particularly textbook this time, but that isn't anything to worry about.

Lurking and bookmarking. Hello getdown

Temp up this morning but think it was more to do with the heating being on all night as cervix is closed and I have no cm. Only cd22, so hopefully it'll be next weekend.

mousebacon had date night with dh yesterday and saw HP. What did you think? Bit disappointed with it, but cinema full of giggling, sarcastic teenagers helped carry it along.

Feeling smug as read in family guardian that average number of nights out a year parents get in first five years is three. I think we've had five this year!

Morning all. Not happy this morning. Really tired and my temp fallen again, but still above the coverline, so don't know what to think! My LP is 10-12 days and I'm on 13 DPO, so arrggghhhhh!!!!!

I think I might just give up. I've had years of 28-30 day cycles and then we start SWI and they start going bonkers.

Feeling quite low today tbh.

char here

Hi all

LadyGoneGaga so pleased all is going well so far. Really hope this one is a keeper! Thanks for the advice re. the WTF cycle - also from you spilt. My LP is normally 12 days, so we'll have to see what it does this time. Will be gutted if it's only short this time, but does it resolve on the 2nd cycle after MC? Hope so! Am so sick of all this waiting!

Hope your cycle gets back on track soon spilt. Are you just going to take it easy, or are you going for OPKs etc. this month?

Getdown checked your chart again this morning. Looks like day 23 with a fallback rise pattern (normal).

MrsA sorry you're feeling low. But try not to read too much into one temp. They sometimes shoot up the next day as more hormones released if you are pg. It's hard isn't it.

Hi Digi. Glad you got a night out. Not sure how many nights out we get together - prob a reasonable amount as MiniG goes to his Dad's every third weekend. But TBH I often just want to stay in and have an early night....to sleep!

Do you think so Lady? Yes maybe CD23... I felt sure it was the day before, but temps suggest otherwise. Ah well we will see. Have never had a "fallback rise pattern" before

Sore boobs. Sometimes feel a bit sick when hungry but never got full blown MS with MiniG anyway so not expecting it. Acute sense of smell. Bit tired.

Totally paranoid though. Upset this morning as my temps dropped by half a degree (98.5 to 97.9). Did another test. Now obsessing about whether the test should be a lot darker than the one I did two days ago (is very slightly darker but v marginal). It is very hard!

Have bought some low dose aspirin so taking that now as read it can help. I have anti-thyroid antibodies and read yesterday that doubles my chances of miscarriage. But the aspirin can help as it stops the clotting around the placenta that causes the mc. So hopefully taht will help.

getdown I'd agree CD23 from your temps.

LadyG hope things stay good for you.

Thanks for your comments about my temps. Two things are keeping me hopeful:

1. i have tiny symptoms. Boobs not sore but are every so often achy and my appetite has gone (I was never sick with DD, just didn't feel hungry).
2. With DD, I had no symptoms in the early days and after a year of BFN didn't even bother to test till CD42 and then got BFN until I went to throw in the bin after 15mins and the faintest of lines had appeared. It wasn't until CD46 that i got a really strong BFP, so am hoping if I am pg, it's following the same pattern.

As long as no af and temps abover coverline then there is still hope I guess.

Focussing on the positive - said to DD this morning that we would go swimming if she is good. She is now trying to clean all surfaces in reach with a wet wipe :)

ladyG hopefully everything stays nice and snug for you xx

Sound hopeful MrsA I thought i had sore boobs last night, but only when my 2stone cat stood on them My temp went out the window last night after being up all night, yes all night with DS it shouldnt affect the big scheme of things to miss one should it?

Spilt, good to see you are doing ok post MC. It takes time, but you will get there xx

I was being a twat yesterday. I was 6 weeks yesterday not today since Bobbie was born. So angry with myself for not remembering properly.

We tried going to church today for the first time in a while and I was in tears in minutes. I couldn't sing anything, just stood there with a wet face, and then had to leave half way through. We went up to the cemetery instead to spend some time with Bobbie. It's just all such a fucking MESS and I hurt so much.

One of my friends at church is about 38 weeks and her bump set me right off .

I should be 26+2 today, not sobbing at the sight of pregnant women.

A Bad Day.

ladyg please stop taking your temps now, it will only cause unnecessary worry. How did you find out you had those anti-bodies? Did you have any issues with your ds's pregnancy?

Temp nose dived to record low this morning so I was right not to read anything into yesterday's peak. Wondering if this means hormones are starting splutter into action?

X posts spilt ((((((((((hugs)))))))))) don't feel bad for getting the day wrong, it was a painfully tragic weekend and the days must have seemed like they were running into each other. Feel so for you. Have you been prescribed aspirin for next time like ladyg?

Oh I am so sorry split. I went to church this morning too, and there are quite a few pregnant ladies there at our's too .

I know my loss is nothing compared to what you've been through, but I do understand a little of what it's like. The bitter disappointment and sadness and thoughts of "what if?"

Well done for going, and it's fine that you had to leave half way through. It's still early days remember. I think you will have bad days, and not-so-bad days. Gradually the bad days will get fewer and fewer and the better days will get more and more.

I believe the right time for another pregnancy will come.

digitalgirl do you want to post a link to your chart and I'll have a look if you like? (sorry you've probably done so already earlier on)

Don't minimise your loss GetDown. One thing I have learnt is that length of pregnancy does not directly correlate to pain at the end. Each loss is unique and in it's own set of circumstances and it's not really possible to draw too many comparisions. It hurts for all of us. Take care of yourself too xx

digi no, not said anything about aspirin etc yet, though it is something I will ask about when we see the consultant on Thurs.

Lady do you know what stage MC the aspirin is supposed to help protect against? Is it to be taken all through pregnancy or just at the start like folic acid? I've no idea whether blood clotting could cause a loss at 20 weeks, or whether if I had that sort of problem I never would have got that far? I hope it works for you.

spilt clotting can cause probs in 2nd trimester and in those who carry into third it can cause small growth probs and premature labour. I'm not saying this to scare anyone but have done quite a bit of research on it as it is the one thing I want to find out whether i have or not before ttc again as it is preventable with aspirin and in those with a history of recurrent miscarriage or probs in pregnancy they often prescribe daily heparin injections. It's entirely treatable which is why a lot of researchers think women who have had a second trimester loss should be tested for it.

getdown my chart is rather boring at the moment and I'm not even ttc, just waiting for the egg so I know when to expect af. Need to wait for my second af post-mc before the next round of tests. (had third mc three weeks ago).

digi is there a name for blood clotting disorders so that I can search for some details?

Sorry digitalgirl I should have read back over the thread first Sorry you have had 3 MCs and the 3rd one very recently.

Hope you are ok and your DH / DP is taking good care of you x

Thyroid antibodies are picked up from a blood test (I am waiting for results from mine). With mine they had picked up a thyroid issue from one of the many tests run on my bloods straight after birth (high TSH - Thyroid Stimulating Hormone - which can mean an underactive thyroid). An extra blood test was then done to see if the problem is my body attacking the thyroid - if there are antibodies this might be the case. Are you worried about your thyroid digi?

Lady do you know any values for thyroid antibodies? How many indicates a problem etc, is there a normal range?

Digi I was tested positive for anti-Thyroid antibodies a few years ago for unrelated reasons to ttc, was when they were diagnosing me with Hypothyroidism. This was before I had DS. But I also have an extremely strong family history of auto-immune conditions (Mum has Lupus, Sister is Hypo and has Pernicious Anaemia, Maternal Grandmother had Rheumatoid Arthritis). All adds up. Also the way the mc happened. Heartbeat was fine but baby measuring a week too small at only 7 weeks - is consistent with a clotting disorder.

However, this is ALL self diagnosed - could still be a random chromosomal thing. Of course they won't do tests until you've lost another baby. I didn't know enough about it then to ask them to do Karyotyping. But taking low dose aspirin is harmless, cheap and may well help. I think ideally you would start before conceiving and continue until 37 weeks (not past as you don't want to risk excessive bleeding in labour). If I lose another I will ask to be referred to a Reproductive Immunologist given the family history.

I bought this book and really useful to try and diagnose cause and likely future risk profile.

Hi Spilt, I'm afrid I don't know any normal values. Only just started reading around this but I'm sure Dr Google has...

I read that there isn't a link between being Hypo and mc per se. There IS a link though between anti-thyroid antibodies and miscarriage (and obv a correltion to being Hypo via the antibodies). But the treatment is Thyroxine replacement and low dose aspirin. And some other stuff too but seems less consistent dependent on sources I have read. Some talk about daily Heparin injections and there was something else I can't remember but def worth discussing with your Doctor.