ESH PESH BESH

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what does it mean????

Mwah ha ha ha ha harrrrrrr!

It means we're hated by the Daily Mail.

And loved by each other.

Consider me in then! I'm a mail hater! So my enemy's enemy is my best friend! Hello all!

Muse not sure that narrows it down enough...?

Fantastic link jollster!

I love that song! The guy's face is classic.

I played it to my brothers' and their families(family weekend get together); they couldn't help but laugh. We've already played it back to back quite a few times now! Does that make us a sad bunch?!?

no, not at all.... I keep the link on my desktop to play when I need cheering up!!

I love the "must wash my hands" bit at the end.

Oh yes. "I would if I were you..." Very funny.

Is anyone going to spell out what BESH stands for? Am intrigued. Obviously being 36 and TTC, the Daily Mail hates me. So I assume that this is a bracket I fall in?

That would entirely depend on whether you've been TTC for so long you now count cycle days to get to sleep, your opinion on babydust, and whether you like gin.

Love gin. Wish I didn't as giving it up sucks... (when my period hits, I pour myself a big one)

TTC for 12 months after miscarrying my first. Am obsessed most of the damn dime about what my CD is let alone at night...

Babydust? [hmmm] Does it make you fly?

Oh, and my doctor just told me I was too old for the NHS. So not only does the Daily Mail hate me, but the NHS does too.

So - do I qualify?

it could be Beautiful, Eccentric, Sexy and Hard.... but it's not... and I don't qualify personally... too old, but not mature enough to like gin ... muse, you big tease... (mind you you've got to get your kicks where you can... )

Brown B : love the "most of the damn dime!" I think this ttc can be quite exclusive. The threads here are all most certainly friendly and helpful. Reminds me of the school playground: like minded buddies offer support to those in a similar predicament. Then there are the generous all rounders who are friends with everyone; the ones who have been through it themselves or know someone else who has! There is one other type: who believe and maintain exclusivity through mutual similarities/ the ones who are tougher than everyone else...and to get into their group you'll need to grow some balls.... Enough said. I'll let your aforementioned mate initiate you into their hearts and bosoms. Sorry for long post, was feeling very self-indulgent.
Muser: just a Tongue in

Muser: just a Tongue in cheek intro for a newbie mate, take it in the way it was intended: light hearted fun, no harm done. I have lurked on your thread, bit you guys are real roughies, so I've sort of stayed in the shadows, and let you get on with your stuff.

Good luck to all at mn is what I say. Hope everyone gets what they came for and graduate with health and happiness. Amen x

Ok, definition time. Because honestly we're not cliquey and we're lovely. I know this because we always have new folk joining.

BESH = Barren Evil Selfish Hag. So called because clearly women in their 30s who have yet to have babies are all evil, selfish career women who Want It All.

PESH = Pregnant Evil Selfish Hag, because occasionally we do manage to defy the Daily Mail and get pregnant. (I am one of these)

FESH = Forever Evil Selfish Hag - for those who have gone through the P stage and come out the other end. They may have baybees but they are still Evil.

That's it. We like gin. We snort babydust. We have either been trying for ages or have teflon wombs, or sometimes both. Hence the gin to cope with it all.

You BrownB definitely qualify, what horrible stuff to have to go through. We have had a few ladies on our thread be told they May Not Proceed to Fertility Treatment by the NHS. Every one of them went out and got pregnant themselves the next month. True Fact. Perhaps the BESH luck will rub off on you.

Ah it takes all sorts to make a Mumsnet fedupttc. I know we do seem a scary lot for those who stumble across us. We're really not though. I would never have got through the last nearly year without the help of the people I met here, my BESH pals have been an absolute lifeline. Not just the BESH threads of course, but also the MC thread (with the very lovely jollster), First Time Frolickers and more.

Now, must stop gushing or I'll ruin our double hard bastard reputation.

Can I join too please muser? Or have I already said too much? I'm 40, dh is 43, been married over 7 years. Been ttc 1st for over 2 years: no luck. Dr ran tests: labelled us with unexplained infertility. May have to go down private ivf route next year if bad luck prevails. New to all this charting malarkey . Joined ff today. It's a minefield. Let me in your possie and educate me please, so that I may redeem myself for all the previous accusations hurled yor way. Please....

Well b*gger me, I always assumed it was Fertile Evil Selfish Hag :)

Owl? Are you a member? Do you have the power to offer membership? Or are there some initiation ceremonies to go through?

Do we have a new recruitment campaign after a few BESH graduates? Great stuff, I love fresh meat.............

fedup bribes gifts of gin, soft cheese & Twirls are usually gratefully accepted. Of course there's our BESHtionnaire to complete, but that's more for our amusement than owt else.

In fact, fellow BESH's - have we ever refused entry to our club? No, didn't think so - we really aren't that choosy

Go on do your worst... It'll be worth it! Muser seems to think so.

God no owlshoes, how awful would that be? Wouldn't be a very BESHly sentiment to rebrand ourselves like that.

And nobody needs to ask permission to join the thread, the only initiation is finding and completing the BESHtionnaire.