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Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all, laughing. All welcome (Part 6)

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KnitterNotTwitter · 23/09/2010 16:10

A lovely place for those either lurking, waiting, WTFing or SWI after MCing...

...with optional fish slapping

OP posts:
Velvetcu · 11/10/2010 19:34

I'm not testing til Wednesday Friday coz of my theory about the dodgy hCG. Don't encourage me to do it sooner coz, as Pink says, it's way too stressful!

appleblossoms · 11/10/2010 19:35

Just a quick post inbetweener I was told if you're filling a pad within an hour get yourself down to a&e... not necessarily anything scary, but losing that much blood that quick can cause you to get all faint and dizzy so best you get seen. Is it that much do you think? One of the others may be more helpful about the 'norm' for a natural miscarriage..

PFF and velvet POAS, POAS, POAS! velvet I reckon you're in with a shot still... With DS I didn't get a BFP until I was about 5/6 days late I think...

nickstermum · 11/10/2010 19:36

fondant Mmm liver! how apt :( 7 pairs of trousers in 2 hours!!! between hope we are making you feel more re-assured! Good we can talk about it i spose!

MummyAbroad · 11/10/2010 19:44

inbetweener, sorry cant help with bleeding info, I had a mmc and it all went differently.I hope its over soon for you. xxx

There is a long and a short answer to your question about why this is happening. The short one is that the vast vast majority of miscarriages are believed to be caused by chromosonal abnormalities in the developing embryo, either it or the placenta doesnt develop correctly and the pregnancy fails. The chances of you going on to have a successful pregnancy next time are much much higher than the chance of this happening again.(especially as you have DC's already) The reason why no investigations are offered to women after 1 mc is that in the majority of cases the problem doesnt reoccur even with no treatment at all. Statistics here

The long answer you can read about in Lesley Regans book "Miscarriage - What every woman needs to know" Its quite a difficult read but it has all the facts. Much easier read is pregnancyloss.info/ this site answered tons of questions for me.

A big hug for you

xxxxxxxxxx

inbetweener · 11/10/2010 19:57

Thank you all , wow I am so glad I found you. I will read that link then off to bed I think xxx

PinkFondantFancy · 11/10/2010 20:05

Rant alert, rant alert:

Ok so the background is that I have been more messed up about MC this month than I have during any other month since MC (which was in June), and my SIL is the same age as me and a sonographer. So I was on the phone to MIL today, and she said that SIL reckons I should spend the day at work with her, then I'd realise what really bad stuff happens to other people i.e. that I should be grateful that I only had a MC at 8.5 weeks. FFS!!! I know full well that a lot worse happens to other people (including sadly some of you ladies) but still, that doesn't invalidate the grief that I'm feeling for my little bean. And SIL told me today that I shouldn't stress so much because it messes up my cycles. AGHGHGHG I am beside myself with rage, what the hell does she know??!? She's just stopped the pill to TTC so I really really hope it all goes completely smoothly for her as otherwise she might end up feeling a bit guilty about all the stuff she's said to me over the last few months including "this all happens for a reason" and that "I should be grateful it died as I want a healthy bean really" :-S Sorry, rant over...

CaribouMoo · 11/10/2010 20:15

Sorry haven't read back as supposed to be making dinner but outraged at PFF's SIL. Honest to God, what was she thinking!

MummyAbroad · 11/10/2010 20:16

Blimey, dont think I would keep calm in the face of those comments. Must confess I have stopped sharing how I am feeling with anyone who hasnt been through it. They just tend to say the wrong thing and piss me right off.

I really hate that line about "its better to have lost it than have an unhealthy baby" NO, its better to have a healthy baby thanks very much!! Angry

Pink, have you seen this?
www.pregnancyloss.info/dealing_with_others.htm#thoughtless

Velvetcu · 11/10/2010 20:23

Pink I am outraged on your behalf! How dare they even be discussing it! Tis true MummyA not point in talking to people who dont understand, it just gets you frustrated!

IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy · 11/10/2010 20:29

((((( pink ))))) sorry you're having a crappy time, people can say some stupid things sometimes Sad. I don't get all this "competitive" mc/fertility stuff - of course we can all be grateful for what we have in our lives but that does not alter the depth of the grief we each have for the baby or babies that we have lost. Of course our own pain and grief is going to feel like the very worst, because it's ours - the fact that others may be going through something that is, from an objective point of view, "worse" is irrelevant to that!

I have two children and lost my third baby at 16 weeks after 3 "good" scans and no sign anything was wrong. My dsis lost her precious first baby (second mc) 3 weeks later at 7 weeks. Is my loss worse because it was later on and such a shock? Is hers more valid because she had been through so much to get there? No. These are all babies that have been lost, and each one is equally worth grieving for.

Sorry that was a bit of a rant, I just sometimes wish people could have a little bit more empathy. I think it's partly because people just don't talk about mc so unless they've been through it they just don't have a clue Sad. I hope you're enjoying the wine and feeling a bit better x

PinkFondantFancy · 11/10/2010 20:33

Thanks so much lovely ladies, since I've posted my rant I'm feeling much calmer. Thanks mummya, that website is great and the last section on 'mean and petty people' puts it all into perspective. SIL thinks she's being supportive and at least she's trying unlike other people that have been avoiding me, so I guess it's just a case of recognising that unless someone's been through it, they are likely to put their foot in it while trying to be supportive.

AandRMum · 11/10/2010 20:55

Oh can I growl at your SIL as well pinks. You would think with her job she would be more sensitive/understanding. I have a friend who keeps telling me that possibly it was a signal from my body that I need to look after it better ... she means well but ....
Inbetweener you are in good hands here. I am in mmc group and so have no idea on the amount of blood etc but I was given the same advice re one pad's worth of blood an hour as a point to go to A&E but it may be different with mmc.

Velvet strong woman! fx, toes but not legs crossed for you.

DH arrived home from his US trip all fired up for TTC or at least the BD side of it all ... we'll see how long it lasts!! Shame I am on CD26 of the WTF cycle where all that enthusiasm is unlikely to result in any beans!

PinkFondantFancy · 11/10/2010 21:02

A&R nice one! Definitely take DH up on the offer, on the WTF you never know when it might be a good time!! :-)

I am bricking it, AF has arrived with a vengence and just dropped a prune sized clot down the toilet :-( ARSE. Still reckon I'll POAS tomorrow to see if it picks anything up but it looks like bad stuff happened this month booooooo.

PinkFondantFancy · 11/10/2010 21:03

By the way all, sorry for hijacking thread tonight!!!!

Velvetcu · 11/10/2010 21:05

aww Pink sorry to hear that :(
Do you really want to POAS? Wouldnt you rather not know?

PinkFondantFancy · 11/10/2010 21:11

Hey velvet true but cynically I guess I need to know so that if it is I can register it at GP so it 'counts' towards my total MCs as far as getting any actual help in future.... Fingers crossed it doesn't show anything though and it's just clotted cos it's late????

Jamface · 11/10/2010 21:12

Glad you're feeling a bit calmer about it PFF, that really was a useless suggestion and missing the point entirely of what you're going through. As Izzy points out grief is always relative. This is what you're going through and seeing someone else having a crap time isn't going to make you feel better (in the same way that I want my pregnant friends to have healthy pregnancies - other people experiencing what I did won't make me feel better) Maybe some of the good intentions behind it got lost in translation through MIL. Doesn't make it less of a stupid suggestion though. Agree with the others that your AF sounds odd this month. Fx that the test will be BFN but it could just be that there seem to be several WTF cycles post mc, annoyingly.

YRMOTB thanks for advice. I don't temp but through combination of pee stick, EWCM and cervix position I'm pretty sure I oved on the 29th/30th Sept. But you're meant to be revising, so shouldn't be reading this anyway!

Inbetweener, I second the others again (what a good source of info we are on here). I'd steer clear of the baths at least until you've been checked out.

Izzy and MamaP Irregular cycles really are the pits aren't they. Fx the acu works Izzy. I've had my 6 week course and I'm sure that it has contributed to cycle being brought down from 6 weeks this time. I'm carrying on going every 2 weeks now, in theory in the middle and at end of cycle, although I'm in some doubt about whether my body will comply with that timetabling! Here's hoping anyway.

to choccy, I'm not surprised you tested if you felt so odd. I guess it's just one of these change of season bugs that's been going around.

Symptoms sound promising velvet. Here's hoping for some more good news this month!

x

CaribouMoo · 11/10/2010 21:23

Izzy your comments are spot on. My SIL lost a baby at full term a few years back. When my first MMC was discovered at 12 weeks my mother and MIL both said that at least what happened to SIL didn't happen to me. Of course losing a baby full term is absolutely devasating. In their misguided way of trying to console me it felt like my grief wasn't valid as I was only a third of the way through when we found out - and that I should be grateful it happened at 12 weeks. I honestly don't believe anyone will truly understand unless they have experienced MC and have had to remind myself of that not to get angry at stupid comments.

That said, still can't believe PFF's SIL!

nickstermum · 11/10/2010 21:41

Fondant GAH ! they are such wankers some times! Im so sorry you have had to put up with insensitive crap :( Izzy you are far more eloquent than me HEAR HEAR! Very well put :) Like moo i am trying to cook stew for tomorrow, try to switch off from the manic mayhem that is work and catch up on the goss x

Are you going to test lovely? Or would you rather not know? I so hope it is just a heavy period xxxxxxxxxx ((((((HUGS)))))

Talking of insensitive people about MC;s - one of my friends compared my loss to her baby loss when she had a voluntary termination, not for medical reasons either.... ok she was 17 when it happened but even so Shock and the other who has had mega fertility problems said "take heart you can conceive again, i couldnt" Neither what you want to hear! Bless em.... needless to say, i havent had a lot to do with either of them!

Anyway, i have had a very uneventful stressed day at work and looking forward to a day sat in front of the laptop tomorrow constructing powerpoints so you never know i may hop on here once or twice for some light relief!!

LadyBee · 11/10/2010 23:26

I have just made 4 (and a half) jars of tomato chutney from my own tomatoes Grin

Thanks for your well-wishes everyone, we did have a lovely night out and it was very good to be just us two for the evening.

nickster 'fanjo' is quite a MN identifier, next time you're in company with someone you suspect is a fellow MN drop it into conversation and see who smiles. So pleased to hear that you talked things through with your DH, it sounds like he's come up with something that will help you both, fx for next cycle huh? Assuming this one is really out. Maybe you need to ease off the grapefruit juice??

Hi mousebacon (your name does freak me out a little bit, I have visions of teeeny-tiny rashers), I hope that faint positive turns into a negative without too much delay - and I mean that in the kindest way possible. I think your memory box is a lovely idea.

welcome also to KTRace, and Inbetweener I very sorry for your losses. I also love that tv show. V Funny. It was brave of you to try to go to work today, but really no one would expect you to go in suffering like that. Take some time off if you can. My very first MC was early, and I remember the emotional pain of that one several years later. Are you going to start trying again straight away or do you want to wait? We can put you on either list (or neither) it's up to you.
You asked why they happen, I assume mean miscarriages? - it's a big question. But the main reason is just because the egg&sperm stops developing the way it should, probably because of a genetic fault in the way cells divide somewhere along the way. The chances of mistakes happening get much more once you're over the age of 35 unfortunately. There are some big stages - heart starting to beat, or brain/nervous system development where things can go wrong, so lots of people seem to find out development stopped at 6 weeks, or at 8 weeks but it can happen any time.

mamapower it sounds like your visit was very joyful and comforting. I'm always surprised but happy to find how much lighter the load feels after some decent human interaction.

appleblossom don't be put off by the receptionist, you've done the right thing getting seen early and hopefully can get an early scan if you think that will be reassuring.

PinkFF Sorry that the bleeding started and it sounds like a rough one , I think you may as well test tomorrow morning, but don't beat yourself up. (I'd want to know too, btw) Am completely amazed at that comment though - I know why people say stuff like that, but it's not up to them to try to put your pain into context for you. It's your pain and you get to say when or if you're going to count your blessings. This is a sore point between DH & me, he is very full of the 'but we have so much', and we do, but it doesn't take away the pain of losing what we yearn for.

Velvet, testing on Friday seems like a good idea. Of course it will then be -ve, you'll go out, drown your sorrows, wake up and test the next morning and it'll be +ve. Mark my words. Grin

Oh by the way..I refer to the list of progesterone side-effects quite often to stop myself getting too excited in the 2ww. Here they are:

"Progesterone

All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Progesterone:

Bloating; breast tenderness; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; fluid retention; headache; heartburn; irritability; muscle pain; nausea; stomach pain or cramping; tiredness; vomiting.

Read more: www.drugs.com/sfx/progesterone-side-effects.html#ixzz125gjjCAc"

Sound familiar, anyone?? Smile

nickstermum · 12/10/2010 06:59

Grin Grin had never heard that before Grin

Bee tomato chutney hey? FAB i managed a freezer full of pasta sauce with mine.. but what a good idea! Mm may have to try!

Fondant how are you this morning chicky?

have a great day xx

IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy · 12/10/2010 07:57

I love "fanjo" and use with gusto online, but have never dared try out in RL!

pink - hope you're doing ok this morning x

PinkFondantFancy · 12/10/2010 08:12

Hello all, thanks so much for checking up on me - was a BFN at 2am Grin so while my cycle is still a complete mystery to me, at least I haven't got another MC thrown into the mix.... Also I'm wondering if what I thought was a clot yesterday could have actually just been a shed-load of blood gathered in the bottom of the bowl.

Ok so this is a weird question but I've only really had non-pill periods since the MC - do you other ladies get lots of little clots along with the blood during your period when you go to the loo? Or do you only get blood? I didn't used to examine the contents of the bowl so closely when I was 16......

SORRY - this is VERY gross for 8am! Hope you all have a fab day, will catch up properly tonight. Also, thanks all so much for SIL comfort, you ladies are all FABULOUS!!! xx

LadyBee · 12/10/2010 09:05

I get little clots normally only on one day - day 1 or 2 - Periods have definitely changed since pregnancy/mc and my ones when on the pill were very light in comparison.

Jamface · 12/10/2010 09:24

Yes, I've always had clots. Just when it's at its heaviest, first few days.

Hi to all x