Assisted Conception (and the bits in between) Volume 6

[rowingboat]

Hi all,
I just went to post on the old thread and noticed it had been locked, so here is a new one!
Come on in!

BB thinking of you. How did it go today?

LissySilver so sorry you feel down and heavy. I am sure it will pass. The pro bono working obstetrician sounds great.

DachshundsRule welcome back, hope all went OK today for egg collection.

Rowing if we are talking about you - we are all saying how lovely you are!

plumtrees you are in just the right place for help and advice and a listening ear. I had a hysterosalpingogram at the beginning of treatment and it was very painful, they said it would be a bit of discomfort and it was much more like pain. But not as bad as you describe. I would say in terms of physical pain etc that was the worst bit for me. We have had IUI - and IVF with donated eggs so I have not had the egg collection so I don't know how that compares with the rest of it. I guess I would also say, is it worth it, yes it is completely worth it! We have a lovely daughter and she is very worth it. I think from what you describe you should find some answers for your hysterosalpingogram. I did wonder if you had had investigations for endometriosis www.endometriosis-uk.org/ I don't know much about it but my sis has it and had painful periods but no fertility problems. Anyway, worth investigating if you think so.

plumtrees and Val the embryo transfer is painless. It is really straight forward and simple and even I, wimp that I am, felt really fine.

Val I would be surprised if you DH was needed 14 days after stimming starts, sounds too soon to me BUT even if he is he has said he will not go so STOP worrying and relax. All will be well, all manner of this things shall be well, as dear Julian of Norwich says!

Lateatwork it will take more than a handshake joke to offend us! I think you too should STOP worrying, the baby (if and when there is one) is the result of your love for each other and your desire for a baby - the handshake is not really relevant. If you want to ask if you can do a Blue Peter (here's one I prepared earlier) than do ask the clinic if you can. Like BB has said there must be ways round it if it really is a problem for your DH. However, if it is just a matter of what is pleasant or nice or tasteful I would just say, for you and your DH, concentrate on your end point (excuse the pun!) and think of the lovely baby and get your DH just to think of you in your sexiest attire, maybe you could threaten to wear your sexy lingerie under your raincoat for later!

Iscream where are you and what are you up to?

love to all

This song is so lovely. I heard it on Women's Hour yesterday.

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Have I missed anyone off? Hope not.

They got 9 eggs, lots of swimmers with good motility but low morphology so they recommended ICSI. Injected 6 eggs, all have fertilised. Waiting until Monday now to see if any are good enough to go to blastocyst.

DachshundsRule well done, excellent news.

BB I would wait if I were you, two weeks is not that long. Ask your clinic but I would be surprised if they said it was OK. I mean it probably would be OK but why risk it after spending a fortune! Just tell DH you will be worth the wait!!

Hi all,

Italian thank you sweetie!! How is the Rosemary C going?

BB don't worry, wait until I have my transfer it'll ME all the way.
There are various schools of thought, but there is research which suggests that it is better to get back in the saddle within a day possibly because embryos need sperm to implant. One study showed that there was a better long term pregnancy rate when couple had sex as normal (whatever that is) rather than abstaining.
My first clinic said wait three days, the second clinic said act normally and no waiting.

Dachs fingers crossed for your little fellers! Hope you can find something to fill the time between now and Monday - box set of Friends: the entire series?

So hoping to plan the healthy eating campaign today. It's been so busy up until now that I haven't had much time.
Holland and Barrett had a kind of weird wheatgrass, fruit juice concoction that I might buy. Actually tastes OK, you have a little glass every day (with a clothes peg on your nose).

good suggestion on Friends rowing, but I've decided that as the next Harry Potter film is out soon I'm going to re-read all the Harry Potter books this weekend! :)

Thanks all. BB more annoyed that it took them so long to tell me rather than the result. I thought I would be really upset but as it really doesn't affect anything at present I guess everything is OK

Hope the anxiety passes rowing - as if there isn't enough to worry about! I think I will have very, VERY sleepy ovaries!

Fingers crossed for you Dachs

Hi all,

Oooo, Harry Potter! That's a great idea! Are you going to see it?

Vallin I hope I haven't put you off. Even though the long down-reg made stimming a bit longer I ended up with almost identical results as with the first IVF.

Not feeling too bad with the oestrogen, but haven't managed to plan the healthy diet yet, or watch Emmerdale. Two lots of visitors have prevented me from staring at the telly, grrrr!

Hi all,
Haven't had a chance to read all your messages yet as I am only just up on the system. We have just got a new lap top and this is the first message I am typing.

We are hoping that things are going to go a bit better in the summer after our failed attempt with the frozen embies. I am planning on the Czech Republic as it seems the cheapest. In the meantime DH has managed to start up a second hand bookshop in town which seems to be moving in the right dirrection and I have moved to a new post which is potentially exciting, if a bit slow.

I am going for an ovarian reserve test in December at my old clinic to decide if we go for a fresh cycle using my own eggs first before a donor egg cycle if it doesn't work or prgress straight to donor eggs.

I will read your stories soon

Love Newbie

Hi all,

Newbi I'm currently preparing for a donor FET in CZ. Slowly coming around to the whole thing, but worried as you are before any of these things.
I hope my experience will help you in some way.
Sounds as if you are both pretty busy, hope you can fit it all in.
When are you thinking of going?

Still not being hugely healthy diet-wise, but have managed to eat two apples and a satsuma so far and still have dinner to go.
Will do a bit of exercise bike in front of TV later, better put on the subtitles or I won't be able to hear the TV, but as it is the X-factor I probably won't miss much.

newbishad1 welcome back, good to hear from you again.

Rowing thinking of you, honey.

Val how is it going?

Late how are you too?

Penguin how is it going? I've been thinking of you too.

Iscream, Lissy, Horton where are you all and what are you all up to?

I went on my walk today and it was fine. I managed to do it in under 5 hours, which was good. Sadly, though, my cold has really broken and I feel crap! I feel cold, runny nose and coughing etc. As I have asthma I hope it does not go onto my chest.

Well Rosemary Conley, you know I was getting a bit fed up but I am having a re-enthuse! I found my old RC membership card from two years ago and my weight now was the date I joined! So for a minute I thought my weight was the same now as then and felt really pissed off, then realised my weight was better so felt encouraged! I've realised that exercise is not the key! People often say exercise will help you lose weight etc and maybe it will for some people BUT for those of us with problems with food I think we need to tackle the food problems too! I mean I used up over 1,000 calories on my walk (apparently) but I could put that on in three Mars bars and I could eat them a lot quicker than I could do the walk! So as well as the exercise I really do need to get my head around the food side. For me there really is only one answer, don't buy it, don't keep it in the house and don't open it! Anyway enough wittering, no baby related news!

love to all

love to all

morning all. had a weekend away which was great. nice to get out of london... sometimes! and lissy we are STILL watching dexter......

rowing i am just an insane ditherer... and i dont think we 'need' ivf as we got pregnant so 'easily' before (we had 2 MC recently one early october, then preg in dec again then MC in feb)... but since then nothing... but as i am 40, we cant really afford to hang around.. but i keep thinking, maybe this month things will happen naturally and we wont have to go down the ivf path... we need to decide wednesday if we want to go for dec cycle... ho hum...

italian 5 hour walk?! wow that sounds fabulous!

drule bb i have one word for you both... 'SUPERGLUE'

Great walk Italian. I love a good wrapped up winter wander!

Just lurking really - stick thoughts to the bean ladies

Scan tomorrow which will hopefully mean i can start the puregon

bb i thought i might add it to the mix when doing ET... that's sure to work then no?!

phew... thank goodness i am not a doctor...

Hello all, lurking here too. Lots of sticky vibes to those who need them. I think we will probably be doing our last IVF cycle in the new year but we're still undecided about whether to stick with Create Health or try ARGC. I think the most likely outcome will be that we have the Chicago tests at ARGC and take it from there. We may also talk to Geeta about her thoughts on steroids and non-sticking embryos as the specks were of such good quality both times and still failed to do their thing.

Love to everyone!

Shehata doesn't ring any bells for me. Maybe somewhere else?

And lashings of superglue to you, BB!

i got my immunes back from argc just now. nothing really hugley outside the scale. killer cells just slightly high so recommending steroids.. so now, just have to decide what to do... and when...

horton hi! what i like about argc is that they get back to you... and fast for results and questions... i went to the lister for work up on MC and had to wait weeks for follow up appt and blood results... i dont know if either experience is 'normal' but i am happier with argc. but it is a bit scruffy inside- but i am ok with that. the lister do some immunes too (i think). the people there were lovely but i just get a better feel at argc.

how much time off (and when) do you need to take during an IVF cycle... is it unrealistic to think that I am going to be able to work if we go down that path?

BB you said "friend [who I thinnk may be where you are] has been v critical of Shehata FWIW" can you elaborate, I am just curious.

The superglue, if only it were that easy!

Love to all

hmmm... only 2 embies survived the weekend, and they are both grade 2 and small (only 5 cells rather than 8). They got put back in today.

Not holding out much hope now :(

Hi all,

Italian, great news on the weight being lower. It is difficult not to eat lovely, tasty, delicious food isn't it!
I agree, don't buy it! No! Or go to cafes or supermarkets just online shopping, with a list containing only low-fat yucky food.
Exercise does work though, it just takes a bit of time, but I definitely feel firmer and am much more energetic than two months ago after doing my exercise bike at least every other night.

LAW tricky decision. YOu are right, you probably could get pg again quite quickly, but it sounds as if the mc's have made you feel scared (not surprisingly). Are you going to have the embryos tested for quality?
You can't abbreviate Dachshundsrule to drule! You crazy woman!

BB I didn't get the glue thing either, but I do now. I had a terrible thought involving a glue and a bag. Thought I had missed out on some groundbreaking research!

Horton that sounds good, you have a plan! Nice to 'see' you!

Vallin very best of British tomorrow sweetie!! Hope you have either lots or none of whatever it is they want you to have/not have.

Not much to add, time is fleeting and the stupid shops have already got Christmas trees in the windows!
Oestrogen making me feel bloated and have sore boobs, which is a pain (literally).
Still nowhere to stay.
Must re-calculate day 19/20, not quite sure what's going on really! Senility setting in.

Hi all. Lurking, but nothing to add. So sad and low these last few weeks. Was starting to snap out of it until last Saturday, when letter from consultant from FC reiterated everything, and added that I'll need a hysteroscopy AND cervical dilatation before I do any cycling.

Val--Good luck with everything. I down-regged for ten days the first time, two weeks the second, and stimulated for about eight to ten days both times.

horton--Lovely to see you around. Excellent plan!

Late--Whatever you decide has to be right for you. It sounds like ARGC are treating you well.

Rowing--How about a hostel of some sort? Cheaper than staying in a hotel...

BB--Wishing you lots of sticky baby dust!

Italian--That's some walk! Good for you...

DachshundsRule positive sticky vibes, two embies is two embies. You never know. All the very best.