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Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

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chocciechip · 12/08/2010 14:08

Volume 2 starts here ladies!

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rocketleaf · 10/10/2010 12:10

Good news about the hcg levels rising strong digi hope you can stay a bit relaxed this week.

terry's i would agree with LGGG about ditching the digi. I think thats just confusing things. Also i never really got conclusive positives with cheapy OPKs if thats what you are using, any lines i did get were VERY faint and according to instructions would not have counted as a + (even tho i counted them as such) If you have 'hand lotion' CM ie cloudy and creamy then that would suggest you have ov'ed. Its possible it was actually yesterday as I only used to get a rise of about 0.4 after ov. I think you are going to have to be patient until next month until you get a clear picture unfortunately.

hugs to spilt mouse and lady

TerrysNo2 · 10/10/2010 12:25

Thanks rocket I am coming to that conclusion too! DH and I didn't SWI enough in the last week or so as I thought it was over for me this month so I think next month will be starting from scratch. Am I the only one on here now anxious for AF to arrive! Grin

Having said that, just had really strange wave of nausea which I've never had before. Hmm

MummyAbroad · 10/10/2010 13:50

Terrys - you are not the only one, I am in post mc cycle and waiting for my AF too. Hurry uuuuuuuupp!

spilttheteaagain · 10/10/2010 16:10

Hi guys. This is a very long message for which I apologise, but I wanted to write down what happened as fully as I can remember it. We're home now, got back late last night in the end so it all happened fairly quickly.

We arrived at hospital a bit before 9am and were settled into a private room. They'd made up a second bed in there for DH, put out a big tea tray and flowers soft lighting etc, it was really thoughtfully done.

The midwife gave me the 4 pessaries at 11am, I'd never had an internal or a smear test or anything before so that was a novel and not so nice experience. Whilst we waited for the pills to take effect DH and I did some killer sudokus.

After about 1 hr 15mins the "period pain" got worse, DH pumped up my birth ball and I took some paracetamol. I spent about 1 hr bobbing around on it whilst the cramping got stronger and then by 13:20 I gave up and went and curled up on my side on DH's bed.

Contractions were not at all like I expected, I thought they would have an on/off sort of quality, but I had a background aching pain all the time which would then build up and become really intense and I couldn't talk or think through it and then it would soften a bit but be painful for about 30 secs and then fade away. DH thought I was probably contracting every 1.5-2 mins.

Over the next 20 mins the contractions quickly became incredibly painful and I was shaking all the way through them. I asked for pain relief and was given an injection in my hip of morphine and an antiemetic (had thrown up twice in the morning and felt sick all day).

As the morphine kicked in I managed to get up on my knees, and lean forward on the pillows and got DH to rub my back. I started to feel more like I could manage it all, and I was getting the hang of breathing through the contractions and relaxing as much as possible between them.

At 14:05 ish I had a weird sensation that felt like my insides were falling out - turned out to be my waters/lots of blood which went everywhere fairly dramatically as I lept from DH's bed to my one and onto the magically absorbant mats.

MW came straight away and offered to examine me or said we could just wait and see for a bit, so I asked to wait. Contractions stopped completely now, and I knelt on the bed over a mat waiting.

At 14:20 I felt something inside me coming down, and gave one little push and Bobbie was born. The cord was clamped and cut, and I had the injection to help the placenta come out. MW asked me to give a few little pushes but I couldn't because I needed a wee too much blush, so she got me a bed pan and I did a MASSIVE wee and delivered the placenta which was apparently quite big.

We agreed to let the baby be taken away to be washed and wrapped in a blanket in a little basket, and then the MW brought the baby back.

We spent a long time sitting looking at our baby who was absolutely tiny. 2 oz, and 13.5cm long. We still don't know if we've had a boy or a girl, it wasn't possible to tell so we will need to wait for test results to find out. We named our baby Bobbie.

The morphine I'd had had really kicked in by this point and I'm sad that I spent about 2 hours being really drowsy and almost drifting off whilst DH sat next to me and held Bobbie in the basket and cried.

I had lots of bloods taken in order for them to do some testing (also placenta was taken for testing and a skin sample and ear swab from Bobbie).

When I woke up a bit more we picked up Bobbie out of the basket and cuddled and took lots of photos. I had a shower and we arranged for the hospital chaplain to visit and do a blessing. Finally, when he prayed for us all I started to cry. It's terrible feeling so numb for so long when something so awful has happened and I'd been so calm all day, it was a release to be able to cry eventually. I remember he read the little card in the SANDS memory box to us as he prayed over Bobbie and said "Always loved, never forgotten, and that will certainly be true for you little one."

After he left DH and I just spent a long time with our baby, bonding and letting go IYKWIM? I went to the toilet at one point, and when I came back, DH was standing holding this tiny blanketed bundle and had been singing to Bobbie and telling nursery rhymes. It's so hard to think of all the things you won't be able to do with and for your child. The plans and dreams that just can never be.

It was terrible kissing Bobbie goodbye, leaving hospital and coming home to an empty house where the future stretches emptily infront of us. Our plans and hopes for the future were all full of having this baby in the spring and now it's like there is no future and the dream is over.

We've been very fortunate that labour and delivery were so quick and uncomplicated and that we were treated so well and kindly. It wasn't frightening at any point, and I think that is a lot due to all the lovely ladies in the Miscarriage/Pregnancy loss section who helped prepare us by sharing their stories.

chocciechip · 10/10/2010 16:28

Oh spilt. I'm just back from being away for a while and hadn't any idea of your sad news, and haven't yet read beyond your post today. Your post had me in floods of tears. I am so so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing such a personal experience with us all in so much detail. I find your courage utterly incredible. I've had two MCs but both were very very early, so nowhere near as intense as the emotional roller-caster you must have had to ride. Nevertheless, I think I lost a little bit of myself with each one so I have some sense of how difficult this time must have been for you and your DH. In my experience, it was about 5-6 weeks after everything was over that the shock really really hit me. I didn't expect such a delayed reaction in either instance. Please take good care of yourself. And please keep posting and talking as much as you need to and I hope we can help you and your DH in any way we can. Bless you both. x

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digitalgirl · 10/10/2010 16:42

spilt that was an incredibly moving post, I'm crying for you too. Like choccie both my miscarriages were early on so I had them at home and could almost pretend they were just a heavy period. I'm glad to hear that you were treated with respect and that everything was as well 'managed' as it could be. Such a sad sad time for you and your dh, thank goodness you have each other. Keep posting if it helps.

TerrysNo2 · 10/10/2010 16:44

spilt I am so sorry for what you have gone through today but also so in awe of how brave you are and what an amazing woman you must be.

I cannot even imagine what you have experienced. I wish you and your DH lots of love and I hope you can hold onto those precious moments you got to spend with Bobbie today.

I am currently doing some fund-raising for Surrey SANDS and I will certainly be thinking of you, your DH and Bobbie whilst I am doing it.

fedupttcnosuccess · 10/10/2010 16:49

Spilttheteaagain: I have been crying so loudly and so hard for you, your dh and Bobbie. You described in such detail and such clarity your experience, that I am in complete shock. I feel so so sorry for you. Please look after each other. I hope that your pain is softened with time. I hope you have a good support network in RL. Feel free to come on here to vent any feelings you wish to air. You are in my thoughts, take good care, words escape me, look after each other xxx

MummyAbroad · 10/10/2010 16:59

Bobbie is a beautiful name. I am so glad you got to hold your baby. I'm crying lots for you too. Bless you and all your family xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

rocketleaf · 10/10/2010 17:15

Tears here for you too spilt, your DH and Bobbie, it's incredibly brave of you to share your story and I am so glad you have found support on other parts of the board that made such a hard experience a bit more bearable. I can only imagine what you are going through but my heart hurts for you both and I am so very sorry for your loss. :( Please take care of yourselves xxx

IfAtFirstUDontSucceed · 10/10/2010 17:18

Oh Spilt, you are incredibly brave, I am so sorry that you have had to go through this. I too have been in tears reading your heatwrenching post. :(

Much love to you & your DH, we'll all be thinking of you and little Bobbie x

mousebacon · 10/10/2010 19:46

Oh spilt, I'm so sorry for your loss. You've been so brave since you got your terrible news. I hope you can take the next few weeks with your DH to grieve.

Bobbie is a beautiful name and all 3 of you will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Lots of love xxx

LadyGoneGaga · 10/10/2010 19:59

Been thinking of you Spilt. I'm so glad things were straightforward and uncomplicated for you. I know it must have been a terrible, heartbreaking day but it sounds like you were managed sensitively and you and DH were able to support each other.

You will hold Angel Bobbie in your heart forever.

xxxx

Whenisitmyturn · 10/10/2010 20:27

Spilt, my heart goes out to you and your family. I'm glad that you felt you were looked after sensitively, and I'm so glad that you've found people to talk to who have helped you so far. It must have been an incredibly emotional day for you and I think you are so brave to have come and shared it with us. I really hope we can be of some comfort to you. Please look after yourself and allow yourself the time to feel whatever emotions come naturally to you over the coming few weeks/months.

Take care xxxx

Danilou22 · 10/10/2010 22:57

Have posted this for all you very brave and lovely ladies who have suffered loss.

Heaven's Baby Castle

In a baby's castle just beyond my eye
My baby plays with angel toys that money cannot buy

Who am I to wish his back into this world of strife?
No, play on my baby, you have eternal life

When all around is silent and sleep forsakes my eyes
I'll hear his tiny footsteps come running at my side

His little hand caresses me so tenderly and sweet
I'll breathe a little prayer and close my eyes and embrace his in my sleep

Now I have a treasure I rate above all other
I have known true glory - I am still his mother

spilttheteaagain · 11/10/2010 16:28

Dani thank you, that's beautiful.

Thank you all of you for all your messages, prayers and thoughts, it's been very comforting to read them and feel slightly less alone.

We'll never forget our first baby. What I'm terrified of is that other people won't understand and will think Bobbie doesn't count. To me, Bobbie will always be my baby, who I gave birth to and named and will have to bury. It would hurt so much to have someone refer to this as miscarrying a fetus, even though that is actually what happened. It's much more like a stillbirth, and I feel like I need to have my baby acknowledged as a real, born person if that makes sense?

(I'm now also nervous that I've phrased that badly, because I also don't want at all to diminish the suffering others of you have been through with earlier miscarriages. A loss is a loss whether it's at 4 weeks or 40, and it destroys your world. So sorry if I've expressed things wrong, it's very hard to put anything into words.)

Love to all, I'm sure I will be probably back on the ttc bus again before long, it feels like pregnancy would be the best healer. Finding my thermometer again soon xx

TerrysNo2 · 11/10/2010 16:53

spilt as I have said before I have no experience of this. But I do have experience of childbirth and based on your recount of yesterday, so do you.

There is no way anyone can say that Bobbie is not a real baby and existed. You gave birth to Bobbie and bought Bobbie into this world. That's what counts.

Perhaps if anyone does question it, it may be through ignorance of what you have gone through (i.e. they may not understand the birth process). If you find anyone not understanding, I would either explain to them or take a deep breath and know that they don't know what they are talking about.

Again, amazed at your strength.

LadyGoneGaga · 11/10/2010 17:07

Spilt don't worry. Yes, a loss is a loss and all are very painful but it is particularly heartbreaking and poignant to get to that point and think all is well and then lose your fully formed baby. My Mum's baby died a week before full term and I would not put mine and her losses in same category although I acknowledge both can be devastating. I'm not phrasing this very well either and don't want to diminish anyone elses pain but there are different circles of hell.

I can only speak for myself but I was grateful that I lost my little bean sooner rather than later (if I had to lose them at all) just because the longer you know about them and have them and carry them, the more you dream and the more they becomes real to you and part of your life and the more devastating when they are gone. But everyone feels differently. Just wanted to let you know I understand and don't feel like you are diminshing my pain at all. xxx

TerrysNo2 · 11/10/2010 18:24

Ladies - quick question: is it worth me POA-OPK-S today?

CD22 today and after 8 days of EWCM the last 3 days have been creamy CM. As you may know from reading my posts, temps have not been reliable at all.

Would be interested in what you think?

IfAtFirstUDontSucceed · 11/10/2010 19:55

Spilt, I'm glad you are sounding so.....(positive? really want a more appropriate word, but I don't think there is one) after the heartache you have suffered, you seem like such a strong person.
Don't ever let anyone disregard Bobbie in anyway, you gave birth to that little baby!
xx

Terrys - do you have any idea when you may ov? How long are your cycles? Do you think you might have missed the boat?
If not,if you've got 'em, pee on 'em I say! :) Are you using cheapies?
I'm on CD11 and usually ov CD14/15/16 and for a couple of quid for 30 you can afford to start early and use several a couple a day!

MummyAbroad · 11/10/2010 19:57

Split how kind of you that you worry about others peoples hurt feelings in the midst of everything you are going through! You havent offended anyone, and I completely understand that Bobby is a real baby, not a fetus, and I think everyone else will too. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Terrys I personally pee on as many as I can afford to if I feel like its really going to help me work out whats going on! Having said that, that CM does sound like post ov CM, so perhaps feeling if your cervix is open or shut would give you better info?

TerrysNo2 · 11/10/2010 23:03

Thanks Ifatfirst and mummya - did a test but as usual a big fat negative. I guess I either didn't OV this month (how usual is that??) or I missed the LH surge. I think I will do 2 a day next month and see if that helps. I have 30 on the way from amazon so all stocked up!!

Ifatfirst my last cycle was 27 days but it was first cycle for 2.5 years (since PG with DS) so no idea if it will be the same again.

Will keep checking!!

LadyGoneGaga · 12/10/2010 07:11

Terrys with my first few cycles post DS (whne he was 20 months) I had two perfect 28 dayers. Then a 40 dayer. Go figure! Have you had anything really stressful that might have delayed ovulation lately?

TerrysNo2 · 12/10/2010 09:56

LadyG I don't really do stress - not in my nature and life is pretty carefree at the moment - apart from the usual who does the washing up arguments and why can't there just be a bit more money in the bank. DS has been ill this year and I have been a bit worried that it will happen again (time for another episode based on previous intervals) but I didn't think it was bothering me.

Well, AF due next Monday - it'll be a long wait!!

LadyGoneGaga · 12/10/2010 10:14

Or something the body might perceive as stressful - illness - cold/high temp, very strenuous exercise, any sudden fright? Can all make you decide to delay ovulating for a few days.