Gift idea for 13yo and 17yo non binary girls

[ZenNudist]

Help dh not sorted friends dc gifts and seeing them this weekend. We always spend £30 or so. Up to £50 max.

No idea what to get them both. They like pc gaming. They are both quite "cool" but their taste is individual. The younger one likes Wednesday (netflix) so something goth could be good.

Has to be to order quickly!!

This is impossible right?

In reality 99% of the population could be considered as NB according to their outward expression. Most people are too busy with getting on with stuff to spend time pondering it or making dramatic grand announcements about living their best authentic life and all that.

OP hope you manage to find some nice non girly gifts.

As pointed out this isn't "nonbinary". This is harmless gender non-conformity.

This is what is causing confusion on the thread.

They call themselves non-binary. I wouldn't dare tell them they are doing ut wrong!!

Also if you call them a girl/female/she/her or use their original names they don't like it!

They sound like a couple of fun teenagers

They are teens. I love them. I figure we all go through awkward stages right?

Damn didnt know I would need to identify as non binary now because I like blue not pink and my hair is definitely noy long and flowing and I dont wear makeup 🙃

I knew so many girls including me who wondered for a while if we should be boys because we didnt like all the girly things, then a month later we realised most teens feel this way and it doesnt mean we need to change gender

They say about not being sexist etc, but to a degree are the "multi gender" believers not being sexist by saying someone feels they should be a boy because they like having short hair and tracksuits?

honestly it’s all very attention seeking to be labelling etc

so many of my teen dc have friends who are xyz
thwy change their status like I change my knickers

just give them cash

i honestly couldn’t be arsed what they are but all the pan bashing about labels would piss me off

Exactly!

Why the need to label everything and to declare everything - honestly, all the drama and self-obsessed navel-gazing is exhausting.

I’d buy them both books to encourage them to step outside their own bubble for 30 minutes or so. Maybe books with strong female characters who achieve that astonishing feat of managing to have rounded interests, characteristics and abilities without having to declare themselves ‘non-binary’ as a way of making themselves interesting.

Just a thought as a passing observer: from this thread, the people doing the most "pan bashing" here appear to be those objecting to the idea of a someone identifying as non-binary, as opposed to said people themselves...

How depressing. I came on here because I have a similar dilemma. When you are looking for something to ‘unwrap’ it’s hard to find something that isn’t either bland or overtly gendered.

But some people feel the need to pile in with their opinions about non-binary… I have no wish to trawl through that.

The trouble with the labels is that it is all very innocent until it isn't. For some girls it's a phase, it looks cool to identify out of being a girl. I mean that shouldn't be encouraged should it?

But for some girls, especially the vulnerable ones it's a pathway to a double mastectomy. The girls and women who are doing these things are never really treated as men though. It's just sad.

These girls are ultimately being used as props to men who want to be treated as women in all circumstances. That's what I object to.

Women and girls don't ever benefit in any scenario. We lose single sex spaces and some girls are desperate to identify out of their sex regardless of the fact that it is either meaningless, just to do with Stereotypes and for some it is much much more sinister.

my daughter isn't stereotypically girly. She's easy to buy for. She loves the Marvel franchise, lego, sport.

Ask the girls what they are interested in.

And you’ve just illustrated the point.

Sorry I don't know why you have a beef with me. My daughter is autistic. I have every reason to be concerned about the way vulnerable girls are being swept up in self harm to support an ideology. I'm seeing it amongst my daughters peers.

People may not be aware of it or want to hear it. But I'm not going to shut up about the reality of this because it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Take it somewhere else. This is the OPs thread about her situation. Plenty of places for you to air your views.

Hey OP, if you've not found anything for them yet then I'd recommend a Steam voucher.

It's an online platform to buy/download games so it means they can choose any PC game they want with it. Or if you know which game they want you can buy it for them and send it to them on Steam.

I personally really want to play Stray which is game they might both enjoy if they've not already got it!

Tbf labelling yourself in a stupid way that makes you feel unique while being part of a crowd is the definition of a teenager.

I think it's that the OP used the term with no irony (and actually added girl to it) that wound people up.

No.

The more people who understand the dangers behind this the better.

Why do you want to push the impact of this on autistic and other vulnerable girls to a corner?

It's not a bit of fun. It has serious damaging consequences.