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HEEELLLP! If I go to A&E will they do anything

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treedelivery · 11/04/2009 23:43

I have help and support so don't warry about me but

OMG!! My dd2 is 11 weeks and has screamed for hours today. This last hour it is like some one is taking a hot poker to her - these are screams of pure agony and panic.

She has fucking colic 'it's only colic she'll grow out of it' - if she were an adult she would be given morphine.

This is too much - has anyone just gone to them and said 'help her' even if it is just a few hours of rest from the screaming?

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 14:35

sorry - first feed longer than a few sucks....

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trixymalixy · 12/04/2009 15:10

My DS always gained weight well, so the GP wasn't prepared to get to the bottom of what the problem was.

he said "Frankly Mrs Malixy, he's gaining weight so the screaming is a minor inconvenience and he will grow out of it".

Basically what he was saying was that he didn't have a clue what to try next, but wasn't prepared to admit it!

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 18:32

I find it really frustating. If this were happening to an adult, a line about it going away in 6 months wouldn't cut it really would it. Share your

So been to out of ours GP. She was sick again, couldn't feed and started yelping after a few sucks so I rang NHS direct, and the out of hours rang back 3 mins later. Good response! She was really nice and in fairness what could she do.
No infection, soft tummy - not soft to me, but I suppose to needing immediate surgery type tummies it is soft - no temp, not dehydrated etc. Carry on. She is getting her some fungal steroid cream for her bum.

At least I know I'm not sat about cursing colic while she has some major thing I'm missing. She's asleep on my chest again, so in for another big lie about with her.

Bit at entire house scoffing chocolate whilst I remain dairy free. Crap.

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CantSleepWontSleep · 12/04/2009 19:16

Have a virtual bar of Divine or Lindt dark chocolate, and go and get yourself a real bar tomorrow - it's dairy free .

My GP refused to believe that there was a problem either, as dd was a porker, but thankfully my hv argued with him to get a paed referral. Sadly stories like this are all too common, and people often believe their GP over some internet sprites .

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 19:19

mn has a great sprite population

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Nontoxic · 12/04/2009 20:48

Putting my sprite (hard) hat on: I always found cloth nappies caused instant nappy rash like you describe; my DD stopped having her lovely four hour naps and would wake up screaming when she'd had a wee.

As soon as we went back to the dreaded disposables, peace reigned once more.

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 20:55

It's a good point nontoxic! No hard hat required.

I bought a different brand of powder that I feel is a recent problem. Also I put her in dispos when she had no rash and it still happened so I think I am ok to continue with the washables.

Its always worth looking at all options no matter how unpopular. I thought of formula!!!!!

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foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 20:57

yes my screamer dd was an allergy baby too (milk, soya, eggs).

We discovered this when I had to go back to work and I had to try and get her onto bottles and she came up in hives/vomiting the minute we tried formula.

She already had awful reflux and eczema and screamed blue murder (from the minute she was born) so I guess, looking back, the signs were there. She also got hideous nappy rash all the time. Think I had shares in metanium.

Yours is so little still it's hard to tell isn't it. I couldn't cut out enough in my breast milk to make a difference so she ended up on hypoallergenic formula and overnight, morphed into a different baby.

I don't know how effective cutting stuff out is (esp when you are not sure what the allergen might be, if there is one...) but I guess it is worth a try.

Also, if she carries on being a bit of a vomiter, do go and get her reflux looked at again. Gaviscon didn't work with us but there are other meds they can give if needed.

Hope you don't have too many more dreadful nights. I can't remember now how long dd's screaming lasted but at the time it seemed like a lifetime but looking back, think she stopped at around 4/5 months (when we got her formula sorted!).

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 21:02

On the formula note - I thought of giving her the hypoallergenic formula whilst keeping my supply up, to see if the miracle happened.

it would be a quick diagnosis and I could be allergen free in the meantime to get us closer to friendly breast milk if that is the problem.

What do you think folks? I know the 6 months exclusivity is the thing - but.....i'm cool if it helps y'know?

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SuziSeis · 12/04/2009 21:07

hmm this is interesting

my ds is 8 months and bf with some 'nanny'

we introduced cows milk diarrhea and nappy rash from hell - stopped cows formula it went

accidently gave milk in something - diarrhea again

then actively tested it and after one bottle of formula green muscousy loose stool....

is this milk allergy?

CantSleepWontSleep · 12/04/2009 21:09

It will still take a while to clear from her system though td, and you don't really want the faff and potential risk to supply/breast refusal if you express do you? I do see your logic though. Taste the hypoallergenic formula and you might change your mind anyway .

CantSleepWontSleep · 12/04/2009 21:10

Milk intolerance (rather than allergy) suzi, yes.

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 21:11

CantSleep - good point. I know, playing with fire a bit aren't I. Guess it would be a good 2 weeks or so.

Urgh I just want know what it is and to be able to act on that!

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SuziSeis · 12/04/2009 21:12

i see CSWS you would think woukd have known abuot this sixth time but hey ho!
I was always a bit dairy intolerant - better on less

ds wheezes a biit too so i don know if he is a bit prone to allergies

foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 21:14

if she is anything like a normal bf baby, she won't touch the hypoallergenic stuff with a bargepole (if babies could hold bargepoles ).

Which one do you have (hypoallergenic one)?

One of the reasons (apart from my breastmilk seeming to wind her up) that I had to stop bf was that I could not get her to take the hypoallergenic formula in addition to breastmilk because once she had breastmilk, she wouldn't go back to the Nutramigen

techpep · 12/04/2009 21:14

Haven't read all posts. If you are worried call the doctor. I called the emergency doctor once for my 4 week old ds and just said "I know this sounds OTT and over protective but i feel like something is wrong, he cries whether i am holding him, or not and he just wont stop." Luckily, it was a very nice doctor and just said, bring him in. We spent the night in hospital and found out that he had a urine infection. Sometimes, motherly instincts are definitely worth trusting.

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 21:16

Thanks tech - we wet and I have a little bag to collect some wee in. Will drop it in Tuesday. You never know!

Who ever thought I'd bloody wish something on her, at least a diagnosis wouold be better than feeling about in the dark.

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foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 21:18

get them to revisit the reflux meds if you/they feel this might be a possibility

(they don't necessarily puke up a lot with reflux...sometimes it is silent, so just coming up in their throats and causing pain)

they can check for this

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 21:20

I will - I'm foing to make notes from this thread. Poor gp will run next time he see's me!

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SuziSeis · 12/04/2009 21:22

tee hee tree delivery i think if it is well researched then the gp might welcome you knowing a bit before you get there

good luck with it

ilovemydogandMrObama · 12/04/2009 21:23

Well, Treedelivery, DS is on Nutramigen as he has a severe milk protein allergy.

TMI Alert

Initally he was rushed into A & E at Children's by ambulance (after choking on his vomit) and admitted. Put on a drip and GS tube. Discharged the next day. Vomiting again a few days later. Admitted. Discharged. Admitted a few days later due to severe anaemia and we stayed for over a week (the days seemed to run into each other). They put him back on a drip, reinserted the GS tube and put him onto Nutramigen. They poked and prodded him for days, investigated every single output from every orifice. He's still being tested, but has a cow milk protein intolerance.

We see the consultant every week, but DS is gaining weight!

I know that as a health care person, you want to be able to diagnosis your DD, but allow yourself to get some help...

foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 21:25

it does sound very allergy like doesn't it but it's so hard to tell

what we discovered with dd is that she had a very immature gut anyway....so we had to take weaning v slowly and she would show allergic reactions to foods when she wasn't 'properly' allergic as her gut was too immature to handle everything

it may be something like that which is something they outgrow but the nappy rash + screaming does sound a bit suspicious

dd also turned out to have a hernia which they only diagnosed a lot later but must have been causing her discomfort

good luck, I hope you get somewhere!

foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 21:26

(when I say 'proper' allergy I mean proper as in, in blood tests, like the milk/egg/soya)

foxinsocks · 12/04/2009 21:27

and if you feel the GP isn't taking you seriously, do ask for a referral and see what happens. Can't do you any harm just to get the ball rolling.

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treedelivery · 12/04/2009 21:27

Ta love. That sounds like fecking hell may I say! Thank God he is hopefully doing better ont he Nutramigen?

Is it prescription only?

I think my frustration is the 'head on one side it must be so hard for you are you depressed' thing. They are being kind but really, what I need, is this sorting. OR being told there is no sorting to be done, just get on with it.

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