HEEELLLP! If I go to A&E will they do anything

[treedelivery]

I have help and support so don't warry about me but

OMG!! My dd2 is 11 weeks and has screamed for hours today. This last hour it is like some one is taking a hot poker to her - these are screams of pure agony and panic.

She has fucking colic 'it's only colic she'll grow out of it' - if she were an adult she would be given morphine.

This is too much - has anyone just gone to them and said 'help her' even if it is just a few hours of rest from the screaming?

Thanks all - I've had more dairy tbh, as in more cups of tea.

I need to do 100% dairy free, cutting down doesn't seem to have worked.

We had the colief stuff in the begining, wonder if we should go back to it. We always mixed it in expressed milk, and stopped using it as we were going out and about more.

tree, i'm no help but have the deepest sympathy for you and your dd.

dd had colic like you've described and it is utterly soul destroying seeing your little one in pain.

i never found anything that was sure to work, sometimes massage helpd, sometimes camomile, most often nothing at all

one thing i will say is that as she got older we discovered she was cows milk and wheat intolerant and both of these things give her tummy trouble.... possibly if i'd tried cutting these things out of my diet when feeding i might have discovered the root of the problem but that said i can't be sure it would have made any differance to the colic and reflux.

just to give you a ray of hope, she's 4 now and is a happy, cheerful, cuddly little girl, she's not been damaged emotionally in any way by the pain and screaming of he first year of her life so take heart, no matter how bad it gets she will come out the other side unscathed.

Thanks all, thanks pinktulips. It's really shit isn't it? Gald tohear your dd got out of it, though the intolerance must be trickt to work around.

No more dairy. Dammit i have Betty's iced fancies as my easter egg substitute. Dammit.

she's gradually growing out of the milk intolerance so there's hope she'll be free of both by age 8 according to the dietician. she's good about it thankfully.

hope the dairy free diet helps lo at least, think how much you'll enjoy that first cream cake and milky mug of tea when she weans if there's no improvemnet i'd try cutting out a few other major allergans like wheat and soy just to check.

if she's been awake and had a feed then she will definitely need to sleep. try putting her on her front flat in a carrycot and walk with her. i wish i'd done this with all of mine but only really dared with my fourth. its all about believing in yourself and trusting when you know she's tired. new babies shouldn't be awake for more than 2 hours at a stretch and we overfeed them when really they need sleep- hence the wind/tummy pain. its much more natural to sleep on their fronts and they don't wake themselves with that startle thing and my youngest now literally snuggles down when i lay her down (she still cries sometimes though). try it and trust that sleep is the panacea to all that screaming not food

Motherofmany - am babymooning again, just laying with her asleep cuddled up belly down with her face in my armpit. Its how she likes it though it wouldn't be my choice! Agree lack of sleep and over stimulation much underestimated evil for all of us.

Pink - good she'll grow out of it but a pita when you want to eat out no? I cant imagine it at all, guess I'll be getting used to it. I can only find one cafe that does soya milk around my parts and it doesn't do much apart from drinks. Ho hum I digress.

eat out? with 3 under 5's? trust me, not much of an issue

she's a fussy eater anyway and even without intolerances is the type of child who'll insist on eating nothing but plain rice for dinner!

have you tried goats milk? soy carries it's own allergy risks and tastes foul but goats milk tastes alright and is actually quite beneficial to drink anyway. it all depends on whether it's the lactose or the casein in the milk that's causing the intolerance, with dd it's the casein so sheep and goats milk is fine for her, so she can have goats milk, feta and goats chees, goats yogurts etc.

the wheat iss the real PITA... it's in everything!

3 under 5

Is goats ok in tea? Was thinking of trying my own milk!
Soya in tea is baaaaaad. It's like baked beans in drink form.

are goats not a bit big? and a bit hairy? , you'd have trouble getting them in a cup!

dd spits soya milk at me in horror any time i have to give it when the shops are out of goats milk

goats milk is fine in tea, we've often resorted to it if we un out of cow's milk, dp drinks it too and says its brilliant when he has heartburn. i cook with it for all of us, i can even make sauces with it as goats milk doesn't seperate into cream and milk like cows milk so the cream is still blended into it (explaining that horribly but my brain isn't finding the right words)

i've made ice cream with it, pasta sauces, i bake with it and both kids have it to drink. fabulous stuff, our lives would be miserable without it!

Really!

I need to do this. I'm a bit squemish about it though - dunno why. Am not big into dairy tbh, don't do cheese or yogurt. They make me cringe.

Pmsl at hairy goat. I could tether one to pushchair to ensure non dairy cuppa is possible even when shopping in my back water town.

So how do you go getting cows in a cup? Goat smaller no? Stink though, cows smell of grass. I love cows. sigh.

Clearly getting the 'lack of sleep all I have is adrenaline' giddy giggles.

if the goats ins't suitable though you can get rice milk now too which is suposedly more palatable than the soy.

No, no, no - don't use goats' milk instead of cows. Only about 20% of babies who are cows' milk intolerant are ok with goats', as the proteins are very very similar.

Try rice or oat milk (with added calcium).

Once you have established that it's def the milk causing the problem (or not) then you can always try goats and see if she reacts again, but if you use it to start with you will probably find that you are none the wiser and that she is still 'colicky'.

Rice it is. What is Oat milk like.

I tell ya, be easier to use my own!!

I could squirt a bit in direct from source and it never goes off and I never run out.

at your cow lovin' ramble

i have to admit i have issues with dairy too (cheese makes me want to voimit, although i'm ok with it cooked, yogurts make my skin crawl) and don't really eat alot of dairy anyway bu goats milk unnerved me even more than cows does. i had to get over a huge mental bloke to try the goats milk (she was 4 the first time i dared put it on my cereal ) but it's still alot better than soya

can you stomach black tea? i only ever drink sweet black so the cuppa isn't an issue for me (although dp swears he can't tell if it's cow's or goat's in his cuppa)

i haven't cut dairy out while bf-ing ds1 or ds2 but i do cut down alot, ds1 did have a milder cows milk intolerance when weaned but he grew out of it last year. ds2 is a very placid, relaxed, happy baby who has had a grand total of about 2 unexplained crying bouts in 2 months so i'm not forseeing any trouble with him but am going to wean for allergies like i did with ds2 to be safe, better 6 months of awkwardness with food than 6 years!

Yogurt . Those pro biotic drinks I always think of thrush.

Barf!

How was dd diagnosed? Did you get to the root yourself or did medical world help or hinder?

I need to go rooting about in allergies threads don't I? It's so massive and complicated though.

haven't tried the oat milk as it's impossible to get here (west of ireland), i've heard good things though.

CSWS is right, try completley dairy free first, then if she gets better attempt goats milk and see if she can tolerate it.

like i said, it's amtter of whether it's the casein or lactose she's affected by.

if you cut out dairy and there's no improvement cut out the other risky foods like wheat while still remaining dairy free.... if she gets better you can try adding food back one by one to see which one/s are the problem, don't start dairy again and stop wheat as if like dd she's affected by more than one she won't improve unless both are cut out.

it's a pain but honestly it's worth it to get a happy child back

cows milk was easy... i gave it at 6 months and she came out in blistered nappy rash on her bum from the runny poo, i stopped cows milk and formula, the rash went. luckily i'd been introducing gradually and was still bf-ing so continued to feed til 1 year and used bm and goats milk in food

wheat was worse, dp has asthma so i was sorta weaning for allergies and didn't introduce it til 8 months properly.

she stopped gaining weight, she weighed the same at 22 months as she had at one year (had ds1 during this time and was distracted by that and although i knew she was scrawny because she was still getting taller and had been quite chubby to start i didn't notice for a long time).

she never had solid poo... was told when it continued after i stopped feeding 'oh, that's just toddler diorhea(sp?)'.

she was a miserable, cranky, hysterical tantrum throwing misery of a child (presumed i was a shitty parent or she was just a shitty kid )

on a whim at 22 months i stopped giving her wheat as she was so thin i could see her ribs and i knew soemthing had to be wrong. the change was instantaneous, she's still a stroppy madam but the 24/7 horrible mood ended, she had solid poos for the first time ever, she gained 2 kgs in 2 months. i went to our gp and asked for a referral to paeds to have coeliacs and all that ruled out and after 8 months wait she was seen, they did tests and told us 'she's not allergic, she's not coeliac but she obviously does have an intolerance to wheat which causes her gut to stop absorbing food so keep her off it and hopefully she'll outgrow it'

Dd's diagnosis (at 16 weeks) was based on a comment from a hv, giving up dairy for a couple of weeks, and then getting lots of advice on here. We saw a paed who did a phone consult first, and he was quite happy to agree that she was intolerant based on my description. She pooed constantly, cried/screamed constantly, didn't sleep, had the most horrendous nappy rash - all blistered and clearly massively painful and didn't respond to thrush treatments at all. Thankfully she started to outgrow it around 20 months, and now (age 3) loves cows milk (although still prefers a bf!), although she won't touch cheese, I'm guessing because she didn't get used to the taste when young.

Ds we diagnosed around 3 or 4 weeks, when he started to exhibit the same symptoms. Gave up dairy (I'd been eating lots of cheesecake and ice-cream to celebrate the fact that I didn't have gestational diabetes any more!) and his nappy rash disappeared within 2 days (hadn't got as bad as dd's had), and other symptoms improved over a week or two (we had a few really bad days in there though - I always find that symptoms (refluxy type) seem to worsen around day 4 of being dairy free, so don't be put off if this happens to you). He's only 6 months so hasn't outgrown it yet afaik.

No other allergies or intolerances in dd, and none discovered so far with ds, though still early days with weaning.

Ok as yo uare all here and experts - this is my dd. Diagnose us

Mother - hayfever and sniffy type but can and do est anything. Only dairy is the milk in proccessed foods, i.e choc, ready meals, snacks etc. No cheese or yogurt, milk in tea. Don't do cereal etc so not huge dairy consumer I don't think, on balence.

Child - bf, 11 weeks, gaining weight ok, though not been for 3 weeks as charts piss me of so maybe not recently.

Is unable to sleep well on her own, including swadddled in an amby. Sleeps on chest like a log.

Poo - now poo worries me. Has never gone frequently like a bf does. Ever. When she does it causes great grief, straining, farting and huge explosions. Result is watery to creamy to foaming to trhick paste. Colour yellow to green.

Bum - gets rash on contact with poo, and other times just out of the blue. No inbetween bit red stage - just bam, raised and red and angry. Is in washables treated like silkfor royalty

Wind - burps, possits and glugs. After most feeds, but mainly in the last month or so.

Diagnose us please!! I'm so confused trying to peel layers and layers off the symptoms iyswim?

she sounds just like dd tbh, the only differance was dd had alot of poo explosions but the ocnsistancy and straining were similar.

she did always gain weight well as a baby despite puking a massive amount... basically she fed 24/7 so seemed to make up for what she spewed out.

Whilst any of those things individually could be explained by other reasons, all together I'd reckon on an intolerance, esp with the 'foamy poo'.

One test that the paed got me to do was to put some cows milk directly on dd's lips, to see if she reacted. She didn't in fact, so it wasn't terribly helpful in our case, but if yours reacts to this then it supports our theory.

The only dairy that I used to have was milk on cereal at breakfast time, and the choc digestives that I lived on when dd was tiny. I had several bits of cooked cheese too in the week that I finally cracked and called the hv, as they made her even worse.
You've really got nothing to lose by giving it up for a couple of weeks, and potentially everything to gain.

I can totally empathise with you treedelivery. It is awful to watch your baby screaming and nothing you do seems to help.

My DS is allergic to dairy, eggs, soya, lentils, chickpeas and sesame.

He used to scream non-stop when he was a baby and I was told it was just colic or reflux and he would just grow out of it. he also used to poo constantly.

Things improved a lot when I cut out dairy and eggs out of my diet. The doctors were useless and told me there was no way it was the eproteins from what I was eating that were causing his symptoms. They were totally wrong!!

DD is cows milk and wheat intolerant yes? Do you know if its the lactose or the milk protein?

like you my dd gets lots of boob time and I make lots I wondered if that had shielded her a bit in terms of weight gain.

She just had her firts longer than a few sucks in ages - screaming again