Parents, what your reasons for not & for vaccinating your children?

[Sickofit189]

Anyone on here not vaccinate their children?
anyone on here do vaccinate ?
what are your reasons for both ?

did anyone lose trust in the NHS during covid after the vaccine roll out?

just an open chat!

Everything except Covid and the yearly flu one.

youngest had meningitis one routinely (he’s 8 born Sept 2015) oldest had missed it (Sept 2013) so paid privately at Boots for hers.

No cheap "homonym" attacks from me, @curious79 . Do you mean "ad hominem"?. I'm just challenging your statements and opinions.

What are you researching for OP?

No it isn't. But I supposed severe brain damage can look like high care needs autism if the person loses all of their speech and communication?

I do think that autism is genetic (I'm autistic and so are 3 of my children). When I look at my dad's side of the family, it's clear that a lot of them also were on the spectrum. These were people who went through their lives being laughed at by other people because they had support needs that were never met. My dad was a school - refuser who has also struggled for years.

Too stupid to realise that not vaccinating your children is neglect and every doctor you see will despise you.......

Untrue.

In the past children with SEN were routinely ignored and fobbed off. And as yourself (so utterly offensively) say- they were dismissed as "slow". Some went to special schools, some were kept at home. Others were in mainstream education where they suffered taunts about their "slowness" from both fellow students and teachers alike.

Go back another 100 years and we put them in circuses.

There is no epidemic. What there is, thank God, is a recognition that not all children are the same, that not all children fit comfortably in a one-size-fits all scenario and need specialist and individual assistance to reach their full potential.

And what a better world we have for that.

And to faux innocently claim that the above is a result of those children being vaccinated (because let's call it- that's what you're doing) is ignorant at best, and truly truly fucking offensive at worst.

I’m 34 and looking back to my school days there were definitely children with autism and similar conditions, but they were just the weird kid / the dumb kid / the naughty kid. It’s not kind but that’s what it was in the 90s. If they’d had the right support they would have had a much better chance in adulthood. My parents in their 60s say the same, these people always existed but then they were ‘weird / stupid / bad’

She has a 4month old baby from AS.
I don't think she's the problem on the thread, but the bat signal has gone out.
Unfortunately, people like the OP might be influenced by these people.

What on earth does brain damage from a vaccine have to do with autism?

Of course it's meticulously researched. The 2 anti-vaxxers who collated all the various scientifically disproven and discredited conspiracy theories regarding vaccinations must have taken a lot of meticulous research.

PS- they published it under "Anonymous" so they wouldn't be personally liable for any actions taken by any members of the public (unvaccinated children being permanently brain damaged from measles for example) having believed their lies. One of the women you'll know is a famously litigious lawyer. Strange how she's not managed to get reputable publications to withdraw their opinions of her "research".

Everyone should be entitled to their own opinion. I think it's a personal choice - vaccinate if you want, don't vaccinate if you don't want.

It's not just a personal choice when it affects someone else.

Isn't it possible to compare (in a properly designed research project) the prevalence of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated people? I suppose if it could be done, someone would have done it by now.

The only ones my child hasnt had is covid and the HPV.
She's 12 and is afraid of blood and needles and I couldn't get her there for the HPV one. I wanted her to have it as I had it and had pre cancerous cells and 3 coloscopies. I'm hoping I can convince her eventually.

She's had covid 3 times and only had a sort throat one of the times. I just don't think we know enough about it yet. So just not yet!

Please keep persevering with the HPV, over 90% of cervical cancers are caused by the HPV this vaccine protects against, and responsible for lots throat cancers. Also new generations of this vaccine include strains that are responsible for genital warts etc.

All vaccinated with everything that's regularly offered. And have lived in enough middle-income and lower-income countries to see what low vaccination rates and poor healthcare systems can do.

Think very poorly of people who implicitly make use of herd immunity but won't vaccinate and put at risk those who have no choice but to not vaccinate. Dumb ánd selfish is not my favourite combination.

Reasons to vaccinate: the health of your child and others

Reasons not to vaccinate: you're an idiot

Yes, they are so oblivious that they don't realise they're relying on herd immunity.

I can't stand the "adhd and autism is on the rise" bullshit. Demonstrates such cluelessness about the improvements in diagnosis and understanding. Also I think there are a bunch of other things going on like, for example, increased class sizes overall definitely means a lot more ND children are finding it harder to cope at school.

Ds' ADHD would definitely have simply had him labelled as super naughty and difficult. Even with the diagnosis, a relatively supportive school, he still spends a ridiculous amount of time in detention because ultimately he can't always behav the way the school wants him to.

@Italianita Would you consider the eradication of smallpox to be neglect?
Vaccination programmes have saved millions of lives, and reduce the pain and misery for countless others.
That's not a random "opinion". That's fact.

Don't you believe what @SuziQuinto is saying then?

That smallpox has been eradicated thanks to a vaccine? That millions of lives have been saved because of vaccines?

Because as she says. They are actual scientific, easily proven facts. Opinion doesn't come into it.

I will. She's neurodiiverse too. I can't make her unfortunately as she won't even fo to the GP. She has a few years yet... before sexually active, for me to convince her. Like I say I've had it and she knows this

No. It's not my opinion - that's the whole point.
Unless you discover that smallpox is still with us?

Facts v opinions.
Rishi Sunak is the PM - fact.
He's not a good PM - opinion.
Although I do suspect that some conspiracy theorists somewhere may challenge the initial fact.

FASD is largely undiagnosed and has similar presentation to autism. There will be a huge amount of misdiagnoses, but no one wants to be the person to remind someone that “one little glass of wine” actually will harm a fetus.