Parents, what your reasons for not & for vaccinating your children?

[Sickofit189]

Anyone on here not vaccinate their children?
anyone on here do vaccinate ?
what are your reasons for both ?

did anyone lose trust in the NHS during covid after the vaccine roll out?

just an open chat!

Your children are made of chemicals, as are you. They eat and drink chemicals. They breathe chemicals. They dress in chemicals. They live in chemicals. The ENTIRE world comprises chemicals.
Natural isn't inherently always better than synthetic either.

I have had all the vaccinations and so have my now grown up children.

I think people who don't vaccinate take for granted the mass immunity we have been lucky to grow up with. My parents grew up during the war. My father had polio as a child and my mother knew a childhood friend who died of measles. They weren't so lucky.

I vaccinated my kids because I had an aunt who I never met who died in infancy from measles, was at school with one girl who died and another who was left with serious disabilities from meningitis and watched a friend die from cervical cancer, and I am very grateful that my children have the chance to be protected from those illnesses.

Mine did. I'm a fan of them not dying from a very preventable disease. Or ending up severely disabled from one.

Did you know 1 in 5 unvaccinated people that get measles ends up in hospital they're that unwell? Magnitudes higher than that of covid. Imagine if no one took up the MMR and suddenly 1 in 5 kids needed hospitalisation. You think the NHS would cope?

I don't want to hold my baby while they're on a ventilator or having a spinal tap because they have a disease I could have vaccinated against. 'Even if' they would survive it.

If the disease wasn't a problem they wouldn't have gone to the expense and bother of making a vaccine and buying it in bulk when they're as cash strapped as they are.

People can have sudden and bad reactions to vaccines, usually minor and go away very quickly. For a tiny number it's worse than that, but nothing like as bad as the effects of the diseases you are vaccinating against.

But vaccines do not cause autism, which is what the PP you are quoting seems to be suggesting.

Have you also done research on the terrible effects the diseases we are vaccinating against can also do to people?
And do you realise that if no one vaccinated, these diseases would all rise again?

I also vividly remember having measles as a child. I was probably 5. I remember the thunderstorm that was going on, our dog in my room, feeling dizzy and ill and absolutely dreadful, the doctor coming out and looking worried, my mum crying. I didn't really want that for my children - which makes me even more pissed off with exhusband for lying.

My kids all had the childhood vaccines.
They have had meningitis vaccines and DD has had cervical cancer one.

One of my kids isn't allowed live vaccines so doesn't have any of those (but had MMR before they developed their autoimmune condition)

The other I will only now vaccinate for severe illnesses that are life threatening after he had 2 serious vaccine reactions (ITP after flu vaccine and pericarditis after Pfizer vaccine). It's not worth it for him for illnesses that at his age are less serious, like flu and COVID.

I really dislike all the insults and accusations surrounding vaccine debates.

Everyone should be entitled to their own opinion. I think it's a personal choice - vaccinate if you want, don't vaccinate if you don't want.

One observation I have is undeniable though. I'm 39. When I was growing up, there was one special (slow) girl in my primary school of about 300 children. Some other children might not have been the most academic but the had other talents such as sports, drama, personality, dance etc. It was an equal playing field.

I live in Ireland and almost every medium/large sized primary school has now been approached over the past 10 years and asked to add an autistic unit or two to their school. This is a very new phenomenon. We now have an autism epidemic which didn't exist 30 years ago. What's causing this? I don't know but something is very wrong and nobody seems to want to address it.

It's not about having your "own" opinion, it's about having an informed opinion.
You may have the opinion that the world was created in 6 days, but all the evidence would counter that.

Vaccines absolutely do not cause autism. Your story is extremely biased, and none of that child's doctors have told the parent that their child's autism was caused by vaccination. Because it wasn't.

Your friend made that up because she wants to blame something's for her daughter's autism.

Believe all the bullshit you want, but this has been well studied by experts.

I'm pro-vaccine but this is a load of arrogant bollocks. Some children do get brain damage from a vaccine. It is rare but it happens. There was a well known poster on here whose son it happened to - he regressed overnight. She has a lot of vaccine damage in her family.

People like you are causing as many problems as the tinfoil hat brigade who think doctors are evil.

Any opinion should be an informed opinion though.

What's causing this? Better diagnosis. Many of my friends have been diagnosed in adulthood after their children were identified as neurodivergent. I can think of several children in my class at school who were clearly autistic, but at the time were just bullied for being weird.

@BoundaryGirl3939 - a lot of autism was undiagnosed. It wasn't known about. People were "odd" or "different" or worse. No provision, support or even understanding was available.
The identification of additional needs and their support in schools is nothing to do with any vaccination programme.

"they were just bullied for being weird"
This.
Nothing to do with vaccines.

Never met a clever person who didn’t vaccinate. That’s alll I say on the matter.

There are countries where unvaccinated children are not allowed to attend school.
I'd be for free choice as well but would not really want my family to be forced to be around unvaccinated people if those diseases were on the rise.

Is there a rise in autism really?

Agree.
Autism, ADHD etc was often labelled as bad/naughty/strange etc.
It's also possible that a whole host of things could be affecting the presence of autism etc, but jumping to vaccines being THE cause is not logical.

Brain damage isn’t the same as autism though @Dollenganger333

And for those talking about the rise in autism, many parents realise they or other relatives have it when they start going down the diagnosis route for their DC. Many of these relatives won’t have had the vaccinations that children have now.

Even egg allergy sufferers can have most vaccines (if not all). My DD had a suspected egg allergy but could still have the MMR/CP vaccine as it is made using cells grown from chick embryos, and the vaccines have been shown to contain between zero and one nanogram of egg protein (which is one billionth of a gram, far below the level likely to trigger an allergic reaction).

Source: patient.co.uk

There was and is no discrimination against non vaccinated children attending schools in Ireland. We were all lumped together.

Yes, there were strange children 30 years ago. This girl I remember was quite mute, and looked chromosomally damaged. Autism has specific traits though - stemming, parroting sentences, huge sensitivity to noise. The child looks normal though. I don't remember seeing these traits years ago.

Could it be caused by vaccines? I don't know. But it seems there is now an autistic child in every family.

@SuziQuinto you literally don’t know how qualified or not I am.
that aside my DD has had tetanus only, under the advice of a highly qualified paediatric MD (the medical establishment is NOT unified on this subject).
as for Turtles all the Way Down being written by anonymous authors, that was specifically to prevent the cheap ad homonym attacks so characteristic of Mumsnet. Much like dissolving Illusions, it is meticulously researched and referenced. Looks at the references and arguments and then disagree. Oh that’s right… you haven’t. You just google searched the first argument against the book that suited your angle.

the OP originally asked ‘why have you made your choice either way’, I’ve shared, and now am just having a laugh at the stupid, narrow minded attacks.

I’ve directly experienced a parent be treated appallingly at the hands of ‘experts’, in what can only be described as a serious of medically catastrophic and entirely avoidable blunders and malfeasance - if you wish to put your life in the hands of a creaking medical service machine (one where eg a doctor openly told me ‘I don’t tell cancer patients diet change will help because they won’t bother changing it’) …… GO FOR IT!!

@BoundaryGirl3939 many people with autism ended up in asylums, kept out of school. There used to be more special schools then it was expected most children could attend mainstream school

@curious79 as we've said, you need a properly formed opinion. Good luck developing that.

No. I don't know how qualified you are.
However, I'm reading what you claim in your posts and my supposition is that you do not have a higher degree in a science. Perhaps I am wrong?
I don't have a higher degree in science. So I am trusting it to those who do, rather than forming an "opinion" with no basis in scientific fact.