Mums with circumcised boys

[WaitTillFebruary]

Hi,
I'm due in the second week of February and am expecting a baby boy. This will be our second boy and my husband and I have decided to have him circumcised as soon as possible after he is born.
We have gathered that circumcision is not available in the NHS unless for medical reasons. This leaves us going down the private route, which is a path we are unfamiliar with.
Does anyone have any advice as to where one can go (preferably in London) to have one's newborn baby boy circumcised privately?

and now seems all the better for being circumcised.

Yes of course he is better because his was causing him problems so had to be removed. That is common sense that he would be better afterwards. Completely different to a circumcision for no reason. You dont seem to understand the difference.

I know adult men who were circumcised as babies who have problems now with it. It serves a purpose. Leave it alone.

Don't patronise me, I do know the difference. But I am making less of a big deal about the difference than you are.

You don't give the impression of understanding the difference.

Sirchenjin,
Why are you here on this thread?

It's MN - anyone can join in. You're not understanding very much at the moment, are you.

To object to the unnecessary removal of a body part of a baby, which will cause it pain and risk of infection/complications is not rabid or fanatical. It is simply logical and reasonable.

Sorry to jump in OP but I don't believe you've explained why you actually want to have your second son circumcised.

But I am making less of a big deal about the difference than you are.

Which is precisely the problem. You are choosing to ignore the difference because it suits your agenda.

On the contrary, I think it is you that seems to have a few pages stuck together.
I am not disputing your right to be on this thread. I merely asked why you are on it.
Are you here to address the point I raised in my opening thread or not?

You may not have started this to discuss the pros and cons, but for your son's sake, you should be considering them. How odd that you're not.

Imagine two conversations in the future with your adult sons.

Ds1: Mum, why was I circumcised?
Mum: You had a medical issue and it was felt to be necessary at the time.
Ds1: ok.

Ds2: Mum, why was I circumcised?
Mum: Your brother had a medical issue so we assumed you would too/wanted you to match (delete as necessary)
Ds2: ?

More is being found out about the negatives of circumcision. Hopefully the days of routine operating for no reason whatsoever are going. Your son is of a generation that will question why you have decided to operate unnecessarily! will you have the answers for him?

I have been on this thread for some time actually.

Now - are you going to address the recent questions posed?

Surlycue,
That's right. You have your agenda, I have mine.
You do and say what you think suits your agenda, and I shall do and say what suits mine.

And if you want to quiz why I'm on the thread, it's because I am the mother of a son who was circumcised for medical reasons, who is very unhappy about it.

Yes, your older son IS mutilated.

That is simply fact.

There is a reason that circumcision is not available on the NHS unless MEDICALLY indicated.

Please be a better parent than this.

That's right. You have your agenda, I have mine.
You do and say what you think suits your agenda, and I shall do and say what suits mine.

Except that my agenda doesnt involve permanently mutilating anyone's genitals for no reason whatsoever. Dont you think there is something slightly fucked up about you objecting to someone wishing to prevent the abuse of a child? Do you object to social workers or the NSPCC? I doubt you do. Its a really odd stance youve chosen to adopt and i'm struggling to see how you can justify it. Well you arent justifying it at all really are you? Other than to say its what you want to do. Which is no reason at all to take a knife to baby. Is it?

Sirchenjin,
I have no need to address the questions posed. They were unsolicited in the first place. Why should I have to dance to my tune?

Dance to your tune, rather

Surly, whilst I tend to agree with you, circumcision as far as I know is not considered criteria for abuse (yet).

OP, whereabouts do you live? I can highly recommend a mohel we used in Croydon, PM of you want details, and I know a consultant who does it in SW London.

Clearly not as it wouldnt be legal for these clinics to do it on children without medical need. Only a matter of time though because it is abusive. The law will catch up.

I don't understand how circumcision without medical reason can be covered by medical consent.

I don't work with children, but I do work with adults, including the learning disabled and the unconscious. I am allowed to carry out procedures that are in the patients best interests even if they are incapable of consent. If I carried out a procedure that wasn't in their best interest then they could sue me.

I know men who were circumcised as babies have successfully sued in the US but I don't know if it's happened here yet.

Yes surly, let's hope so.

Op, it's quite bizarre that you're accusing posters of having an agenda when you are quite clearly not considering your own son's feelings in all of this.
Of course now he does not have an opinion, but you're not wanting him to be circumcised for medical reasons, under medical advice, and you're not wanting it for religious reasons. You are wanting to cut a part of your son off for no good reason. Now tell us we have an agenda? Our only agenda is for your son, something which you, his mother, should be doing.

I have 2 boys and can't for a minute imagine circumcision for anything other than necessity if there were some medical problem.

Obviously OP, it's all got a bit heated, but, forget for a minute it's his foreskin. If a child was born with 6 fingers on one hand would you feel it's acceptable to have one cut off? If it was a little girl there would be uproar (and rightly so) at operating on her genitals if there were no medical reason.

Your DS1 had a medical problem with his penis, so the docs recommded removal of said problem (foreskin). Presumably, if the medical issue had been with something else, you would let the medics deal with that too.

But to do the same procedure to a baby 'just in case' is all kinds of wrong.

Most parents avoid medical procedure on their kids unless absolutely necessary.

If you do get your new baby circumcised (which I assume you are going to given your conviction that it is a reasonable act) please do make sure that the person doing it is properly medically trained, and preferably get in done in a medical setting.

I really don't think that non-medical circumcision of male babies is going to be made illegal any time soon, sadly, as there will be a huge reaction to it from various powerful religious groups. The UK government would not be prepared to rock the boat like this, and I think the current position of it not being available on the NHS is as good as it's going to get. It's bizarre though, that parents can take their baby to a private doctor and get a bit of them cut off. If I took my baby to the GP and asked for a small bit of, say, his earlobe to be cut off, I would be told in no uncertain terms that this isn't possible. The doctor would also probably be concerned about the welfare of my child, if I thought that was a reasonable thing to request. Odd that a small part of a penis is treated differently.