Mums with circumcised boys

[WaitTillFebruary]

Hi,
I'm due in the second week of February and am expecting a baby boy. This will be our second boy and my husband and I have decided to have him circumcised as soon as possible after he is born.
We have gathered that circumcision is not available in the NHS unless for medical reasons. This leaves us going down the private route, which is a path we are unfamiliar with.
Does anyone have any advice as to where one can go (preferably in London) to have one's newborn baby boy circumcised privately?

At least you have the choice as an adult Ottilia

Like the idea of the gin though.

And a distinct lack of penis.

Bloody hell Back - that link is shocking

My ds needed cannula and lots of blood tests at 2 weeks old.

I held him as they did cannula and he seemed to go from wriggly to asleep.

I naively commented on this (through tears - whole poking and prodding was v upsetting for me as a new mum). Paediatric consultant put me straight and said was shock response - to almost shut down.

Can't imagine choosing circumcision of a neonate. Essential medical treatment was horrible enough for ds and me.

Dixienormas I misread it as ds3 being 3 not your third child.

My friends wouldn't choose to give sucrose, it would be hospital policy and there is no other choice.

And the reason there is probably no other choice is doing research on little babies is quite controversial and difficult to get consent from parents. When I started this job over 20 years ago there was only morphine for ventilated babies, nothing else at all. By the way I do not know anything about circumcision I'm on the business of saving lives, not cosmetic surgery!

But surely the should be applying the Precautionary Principle Slipper -bits what we do with animals.
If a procedure would be painful for me I assume it would be the same for any other mammal (as neurophysiology is similar) and apply adequate analgesia

Sunshine there are no alternatives. We are nurses so don't give anything unless prescribed. But have to follow guidelines, as do the Drs. Animal care is different I suppose as animals can and have been tested on.

I understand you're in a tricky position Slipper sorry not having a go, I just find it astonishing that veterinary care of neonates exceeds human care of neonates - surely small humans respond in the same way as big humans with doses scaled (for things like local anaesthetic anyway) and you could use EMLA or similar for lumbar punctures? There must be drugs licensed as neonates often go through significant surgical procedures (and I assume are provided with adequate analgesia?) so analgesic studies must exist, and a PP mentioned they would use analgesia for neonatal procedures in her trust.

Most of the early veterinary work was initially based on work done on non-verbal humans in the days before it became unacceptable and people realised that quiet did not = analgesed

I think I need a pharmacist to answer those questions, you are far more qualified than I am. Morphine is used on very sick infants, but obviously that has its downsides. The other poster used emla cream. It does have an effect on haemaglobin apparently.

I think I'll just slope off now to a thread about cute cats....

slippermaiden just wanted to say it's not a reflection on you what they tell you to use. Just was a bit surprising to hear.

Christmas cats on drugs!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQ9HquDNEM

When dd was 2 she had blood taken for allergy tests. They put emla on, but it still bloody hurt her.

Quite a few people above have made a big deal about how painful it is for a baby boy to be circumcised. However, rather than consult the opinions of those who abhor the very thought of circumcision and are justifying their stance based on the pain that they intuitively believe is involved in a circumcision, it might also be sensible and balanced to consider the actual experiences of those who have actually had their boys circumcised as babies, under local anaesthetic.

The following thread is taken from an American birth board. It is interesting that most mums were surprised at how little fuss their baby made during and after they were circumcised.

community.babycenter.com/post/a54379894/moms_who_have_delivered_boys_already?cpg=2

Did you actually read the thread and your replies OP? Maybe if you had you'd see the many, many explanations re some babies 'not fussing'.

It's not your penis. Leave it the hell alone. You wouldn't mutilate a female child.

Yes impatienceisavirtue, but a lot of the explanations to which you refer were written by people who have no personal experience of circumcision, and therefore don't know what they are talking about.

Oh an american website? Well that will be totally unbiased wont it

I'd far rather hear from a man who was circumcised as an adult with whatever pain relief you intend to use on your baby.

OP there was a post from someone who worked in a private clinic that performed circumcisions on babies. Find that post. Read it through a few times. Maybe PM her and get a real idea of what your child will be going through.

You suggest that an American website is biased on this topic.
Therefore you must concede that this uk website is also biased, but with a diametrically opposite bias.

Regardless of the national bias, I do believe that actual experience of circumcision trumps the armchair musings of opinionated and narrow minded bigots who have no intimate knowledge of what they denounce.

I do believe that actual experience of circumcision trumps the armchair musings of opinionated and narrow minded bigots who have no intimate knowledge of what they denounce.

So how many testimonies of people who were circumcised as adults using the 'pain relief' you intend to use have you gathered?

So why bother posting on a predominantly UK forum then?

Oh and of course they will have to have been circumcised without their consent to be an accurate representation of what you plan to do to your child.

I don't think you need to have had your actual foreskin cut off to know that it hurts. It's not rocket science, or 'armchair musings' it's just common sense.

Well, I cannot see why it would be relevant to investigate the experiences of men circumcised as adults, because it is widely understood that babies endure less pain and heal quicker than adults do. Babies generally heal within a week to ten days, while it takes a month or two for an adult to heal.

In any case, my closest personal frame of reference is my older son who was circumcised as a toddler. Yes he was sore for a few days, but he healed quickly and now seems all the better for being circumcised. And he is certainly not mutilated as some people would claim. I am going to reassure him that millions of boys have a circumcised penis just like he does, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being that way.

If you read Dixir's post up thread, OP, she explains why babies having their foreskins cut off don't appear to be in much pain.
If you are genuinely interested in learning, that is.

Sirchenjin, why post on a predominantly uk site? Well believe it or not, I haven't started this thread to argue the pros and cons of circumcision. That is the agenda of the rabid and fanatical anti-circ brigade. I actually started this thread to find out about private clinics offering neonatal circumcision. Go on, have another read of my initial post.