Mums with circumcised boys

[WaitTillFebruary]

Hi,
I'm due in the second week of February and am expecting a baby boy. This will be our second boy and my husband and I have decided to have him circumcised as soon as possible after he is born.
We have gathered that circumcision is not available in the NHS unless for medical reasons. This leaves us going down the private route, which is a path we are unfamiliar with.
Does anyone have any advice as to where one can go (preferably in London) to have one's newborn baby boy circumcised privately?

Dixienormas it won't work on a 3 year old, the research done on it is for babies. It's like sucking a dummy is comforting for a baby.

I'm in England.

It isn't used for lumbar punc. like you lot use it. We use pain relief not sweet distraction.

It will vary trust to trust. I too have many friends all over the globe and would be able to find people who don't use sucrose. It all depends.

Very easy to be argumentative on here? I'd say the same to you in real life.

the research done on it is for babies. It's like sucking a dummy is comforting for a baby.

What does the research say is the effect of sucrose when administered for painful procedures?

What reasons did your friends give for using sucrose?

slippermaiden if you say it's common then I believe you, but maybe you should be asking 'should it be?".

I get that you're want to avoid powerful drugs for a newborn, but this sounds like a holdover from another time when people thought babies didn't feel pain because they didn't say so.

I work as a vet and this thread is making me very glad to do so - what kind of black magic is sucrose as pain relief??? I'd love to see the evidence base that backs that up? Is it homeopathic? It's not even logical and it scares me somewhat that some HCP are confused between analgesia and distraction/comfort techniques. Wow.
Seriously, if I tried to do to a puppy what done posters are suggesting be done to babies I'd lose my license to practise and be prosecuted under animal welfare legislation.
Astonishing!

Well said sunshine. Can you imagine circumcising a dog. You would ( rightly) be prosecuted.

Should be banned, unless for valid medical reasons.

So I'm assuming a behavioural/facial pain assessment? Facial pain scales would surely be confounded by the suckling action. Also expression of pain is not necessarily related to sensation of pain - extreme pain can be experienced but not demonstrated...

Apparently swearing reduces pain sensation. I therefore suggest yelling 'oh bollocksy bollocks' instead of administering pain relief to women in labour.

Sucrose, my foot. A wowwy pop wouldn't stop me yelling if someone was lobbing my bits off.

Sorry, did I get this right?

They chop off bit of a newborn's penis while using sugar water for pain relief?
Surely not?

Pain is difficult to evaluate because it's not (as far as I'm aware) correlated with vital signs. Unless they're measuring nerve responses? Vital signs may indicate a stress response but as pain has an emotional/psychological component as well as a physical component this is difficult to measure. For scientific procedures performed on animals validated behavioural pain scales have been developed and have lead to changes in legislation (eg it's now a legal requirement to apply EMLA to a rabbit's ear before tattooing for laboratory identification) I find it astounding that animals have such a level of protection and yet you can perform a lumbar puncture on a neonate with only a sucrose pacifier or mutilate (and yes the animal welfare legislation does use the term mutilate) a bay's genital's in your home. Anyone that thinks such a procedure us not painful or less painful is deluded. It's simply our ability to evaluate pain in non-verbal humans/animals that is impaired

Ottilia - yes, sugar water while they cut off the baby's foreskin. Sometimes they use some wine (holy, blessed stuff as opposed to your usual Cabernet Sauvingnon - makes all the difference, apparently, if you believe all that you're told)

Unless the kid actually drinks the wine...

Perhaps Google would've been more helpful. Or even a real doctor? Why Mumsnet?
It's not your penis so it's not your choice. Let him decide! If this was a little girl would you be questioning female circumcision?
I'm half Jewish and thought my boy had to be circumcised but I would never do that after being educated. Not only by friends but by friends who've witnessed it. There's no need.

Oh ok, if it's blessed then....

Poor little sods.

I think the baby would need to drink the entire bottle of blessed wine - I'm sure an unconscious, drunk baby wouldn't feel too much

I'm assuming its like communion wine. The alcoholic content kills all germs dead (to borrow a phrase) so I guess its more antiseptic than anaesthetic.

Mind you, I'd need a stiff drink too.

Oh no - the baby is given wine to drink. They don't dunk the penis in the wine!

They should bless some gin as well.

So, chopped off bits, sugar water and a hangover the next day.
No, don't fancy that.

Speaking of antiseptic there's also the 'special' way to kill the germs if you get it done at home.

Fortunately it's only the Ultra Orthodox Jewish who perform metzizah b'peh