Mums with circumcised boys

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Hi,
I'm due in the second week of February and am expecting a baby boy. This will be our second boy and my husband and I have decided to have him circumcised as soon as possible after he is born.
We have gathered that circumcision is not available in the NHS unless for medical reasons. This leaves us going down the private route, which is a path we are unfamiliar with.
Does anyone have any advice as to where one can go (preferably in London) to have one's newborn baby boy circumcised privately?

Yes embarrassed, except a foreskin has more function than a piece of earlobe.

I hope the law catches up. I would also like to see an opportunity for the circumcised as children, to sue for damages having been forced to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. I doubt it would be possible, sadly though.

I can see that you are not prepared to respond to the perfectly reasonable questions posed, but instead you are becoming defensive in your talk of dancing to tunes.
A couple of people have asked you to PM for details of mohels who will cut off foreskins. I presume you have already done that, given your determination to inflict this on your baby. You will get very little sympathy on this forum, and rightly so.

There's little point OP in linking to threads where mothers discuss their son's circumcisions and their belief there was no/limited pain. What do they know, it wasn't their genitals being cut.

There is no way for you to prove there is limited pain because you can't ask a baby. Others have explained why babies go quiet when hurt.

If your toddler son healed well and quickly when medically required to have a circumcision why not wait to see if you second son also requires the procedure as a toddler, the healing time would appear to be similar.

I dont see why you would want this performed when it is not necessary based on some of the the statistics out there -

Obviously this is in the US but still a journal

www.mensstudies.com/content/b64n267w47m333x0/?p=488e687276f346699601a0275fc5827b&pi=2

The study found that approximately 117 neonatal (first 28 days after birth) circumcision-related deaths occur annually in the United States, one out of every 77 male neonatal deaths. To put this in perspective, about 44 neonatal boys die each year from suffocation, and 8 from auto accidents. About 115 neonatal boys die annually from SIDS, nearly the same as from circumcision.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253617/ this article just makes me squirm but hey - During a five-year period at the Massachusetts General Hospital, 7.4% of all visits to a pediatric urologist were for circumcision complications.

Op I think you're being very funny!

Fwiw I went out with a circumcised man, and he hated his parents for mutilating him. He was a surgeon and just couldn't get his head around the fact that his parents had made him have unnecessary surgery when he was a baby.

Culturally not many boys are mutilated in the UK, do you really want your boys to stick out like sore thumbs while all their teammates and loo mates are entire, and unmutilated?

Do you really want your little fellows to be the odd ones out, or just feel they fit in with members religious groups who ritualistically chop bits off?

Do you want a good relationship with your boys in the future?

I would urge you to think about this carefully, more carefully than you do now.
You maybe see circumsision as a way of helping him fit in to your family.
Do you only seeing your boys as a part of a family unit? that they will form a sports team of two and only go to have a wee together, and no one else will see their chopped willies, and no one will ever make fun of them? Or notice and judge them, and you?

By making them fit into the family unit together, you may be excluding them from their wider social units later, and they may hate you for it like my friend hated his parents.

OP, you sound very defensive and unwillingly to listen to others. You have also not given us any reason why you are doing it only that your first son had it done and then went on the defensive when people asked why. Many posters have said that a circumsion done due to medical reasons is fine, and no-one is disagreeing with you there. However, doing it "just because"/"just in case" is mutilation and many posters have given you good advice/facts to research before you decide to go ahead. People are concerned and looking out for your unborn son; there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm sure it's moved on but to the earlier discussion about sugar water as pain relief. I have a premature baby who required lumbar Puncs, they sedated him and gave him topical and another pain relief (as apparently sucrose isn't effective when not given orally) that was in Germany. My other DC under

I find it quite awful that there are parents out there with an attitude of: 'La la la, I'm not listening to any of you, you're all horrid and I'm determined to cut a piece off my baby, I'm not giving you a reason why I want to do it, and you can't stop me.'
I want to understand why you would do this to your baby and I just can't seem to. If it's not religious, it's not for a medical reason and it's not so they match... Why are you doing it?

I don't think that having a religious belief means that it is acceptable. I can't see how having a personal religious belief overrides the fact that it is an unnecessary medical procedure with associated pain and possible complications.

Parents make decisions for their children all the time which others think may not be in the child's best interests. There are all sorts of things that can be contentious; women eat and drink stuff during pregnancy or while feeding that some think may be harmful to the baby yet others defend their right to those things, parents do or don't do all sorts of things that others might disapprove of.

I regularly see babies with pierced ears around here, I hate it and think it unnecessary but don't regard it as my right to impose my views on those parents.

This is a decision for individual parents to make and, while I wouldn't do it myself, I think some of the comments on here are excessive and nasty

Cutting a body part off a baby for no reason is definitely harmful, in fact it is the definition of harm. There's no debate about that, surely.

What a woman may or may not do in pregnancy is much more debatable, and you may be of the opinion that the bodily autonomy of women supersedes that of the developing foetus/baby who is not yet an autonomous individual.

Debate around what people feed their babies is usually about what is best, not what is harmful. That's not the same debate at all.

As it happens, I also think that piercing the ears of a baby is also wrong, as it causes pain, and carries a risk of infection/complication. Why people choose to do this to their babies, essentially for decoration, is beyond me. I would ban this as well, probably setting minimum age such as 10 or so, when a child could be reasonably expected to look after the piercing themselves and agree to having it done in the first place.

It is a decision for individual parents to make, but that doesn't mean it should be. We have laws to protect children against things which aren't in their best interests such as FGM, forced marriage, withholding medical treatment, tattooing them etc. You can't pierce the foreskin of a baby, so why is it OK to cut it off?

www.privatehealth.co.uk/hospitaltreatment/whatdoesitcost/circumcision/

Purely to answer your question, you can find providers of this service and the costs using the link above.

I really don't get the attitude of it being just a bit of skin that needs chopping off... why?
I get that it can cause problems but its a little extreme to just chop it off just in case.

I also think that it can be very damaging for the child when it grows up, I've had a few chaps come to me who have been devastated that their parents choice was to mutilate their body. Don't ever underestimate the psychological damage you could do!!

If there was ever something that should be looked at and banned then this for no medical reason is one!!

I don't think religion is a good enough reason to cut bits off people either, but at least it is A Reason. The OP doesn't appear to even have that. Baffling.

I have no need to address the questions posed.

The only significant question is why you want to mutilate your child's body with a non-medical operation.

If you had an answer that made sense to your challengers I am sure you would be only too pleased to silence them with it. The real reason you haven't answered is of course because you do not have one. You are doing it only to satisfy you own selfish, stubborn ego. As a result your son will have part of his healthy penis removed without his consent. He will have to live with that for his whole life.

Shameful. Just, shameful.

May I add to this as a MALE (because I am one). If my parents had had me done, I probably wouldn't be speaking to them now. I've had a foreskin for nearly 28 years and couldn't be happier. You seriously run the risk of being disowned by them when they are older and quite frankly the whole topic makes me shudder even thinking about it. I dont expect you to understand OP, in the same way I couldn't understand if you were talking about breasts or vaginas.

I actually can't even read some of the articles here without wincing

I hope and suspect that over time this practice will reduce - I can't see it dying out though

Very relieved I am not in a faith or culture that mandates it tbh

Kids ruddy 10 now