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Help - Nanny driving me CRAZY!!

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Babyrooboo · 29/05/2010 11:49

I would be grateful if anyone - especially other nannies - could give me some advice on how to deal with my nanny. I posted last week under a different name about our problem with her asking repeatedly about meeting up with her friends but there are a number of other issues which are becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. I am aware that I am now so furious with her that I am at risk of being a tad unreasonable . As I have decided that I will have to talk to her about how we feel next week, I feel that some perspective would be useful. She has now been working with us for 9 weeks but she has only been on her own with the children for the last 6. I have two DSs (3 and 1). The list of concerns are:

  1. She does not live local to us and commutes about 40 minutes by car. Within the first 2 weeks she she asked on numerous occasions if she could meet up with her nanny friends who live local to her or have them come to my house. I said that I didn't want her to drive them all over the country, so last week she asked if she could take them to meet her friends by train. It would be a long train journey with at least one change. She hadn't even researched it - she asked me to pick her up a train timetable!
  2. We are fortunate that we live in town and there is plenty to do but it would be useful if she could take them out on short trips. However, I am too scared to let her drive them around too much because it turns out that she has a speeding offence (as do I so not a big deal on it's own). However, when it came to putting her on our insurance she disclosed that she had made a huge claim on her insurance a few years ago following an accident that was her fault. Our insurance company wouldn't insure her at all. We agreed that she could use her car but I am not altogether comfortable with her driving them around.
  3. She disclosed that she has a history of Attention Deficit Disorder which means that, as a child at least, she had serious lapses in concentration. This makes me nervous but I have not seen any evidence of not being able to fully concentrate on my children - yet.
  4. She quickly got into a routine in which DS2 slept all morning in the buggy whilst DS1 was at preschool. DS2 would fall asleep on the way to preschool at 9am and she would quietly push him into the dining room on her return. When it was time to pick up DS1 at 12pm she would simply take DS1 out of the dining room still in buggy and head off for the preschool. Presumably he was still in the nappy that we put him in at 6am.
  5. After such an exciting morning - both children were treated to a trip to the park (DS2 again in the buggy). This routine was the same all three days she works. No art, no new fun games, no age appropriate varied activities. The same routine every day. I had told her that there are lots and lots of groups in our town and that we were happy to pay for any classes. I even gave her a magazine with all of the local classes in it.
  6. She asked for the password to our broadband internet so that she could use it on her iphone. As of yet we have seen no evidence for any work related research. I can only presume that she is using it solely for her own use. I don't mind of bit of this but it should also be used to research trips or activities.
  7. One day in week 6 of employment she admitted that the kids had not had such a great day because she had forgotten to hand in her essay to college - her solution was to drive my children to her college to hand it in. A trip that took them all afternoon. She said that she was able to pacify DS1 with chocolate but DS2 was not very happy.
  8. The next day she said that her commute had turned out to be more expensive than she imagined and could she have a pay rise. We said no - that it would be reviewed at the end of the year.
  9. With the all the sleeping in the buggy DS2 started to refuse to have naps in his cot during his days with me. It transpired that she had never really tried to get him to sleep in his cot - I guess she figured that the buggy is so much easier.

At this I became aware of all of this I set a review. I concluded that she is fundamentally a nice girl who needed more direction. I said that DS2 needs to relearn how to sleep in his cot and children need a varied routine with lots of age appropriate activity. Also told her again to look into groups and activities that the children could go to and would give her the opportunity to meet friend for her self.

  1. The next day DS2 was under the weather with a temperature. I decided to go to work but told her to take it easy and not worry to much about doing lots of things that day. Later that day I got a phone call from my neighbour saying that DS2 had been screaming for half an hour non-stop. Turns out she had used that day to reteach him how to fall asleep on his own. I told her that when a child is ill they will need to held a lot. I told her not to worry about it too much and because he was ill and now very distressed to hold and rock him until he is completely asleep and then put him in his cot.
10. She must still be doing this because now DS2 is now refusing to go into his cot awake. Last night I spent an hour trying to rock him to sleep. 10. I think that she lied to me about the children's afternoon naps the last day she was here this week. She managed to get both of them asleep at 2pm. She claims she woke them at 3pm. Neither child could fall asleep that night until after 9pm. This never happens so I think she let them sleep for a long time in the afternoon. 11. Despite the reminder about local groups, all she has managed to identify was a toddler group on the way back from DS1s nursery. She goes one morning a week. This is the only group/class that either of my children go to with her. As far as I am aware nothing is planned for half term. 12. She is not managing to engage DS1 who now says that he does not like her. It is hard to say how much of this is due to him not wanting me to leave. She has admitted that she finds it difficult to motivate him and he often says no to the activities that she suggests. I told her that she needs to set up the activities and make them appear exciting. She says this has helped. 13. I am sure that she thinks that I am a killjoy because all of the activities she has suggested I have said no to. She wanted to take them both swimming once a week. I wouldn't even dream of taking them both swimming on my own. Trips really far away from our home. Why can't she find anything local to do? 14. DS1s eating has taken a setback. He is a fussy eater anyway. I found out that she was offering him lots of options to get him to eat. One day she gave him sweetened popcorn instead of a meal "to make sure he had something to eat". He now tried to negotiate with us at mealtimes and often refuses whole meals.

I am trying to hold onto my belief that she is a nice person but every now and again I think that she is just taking the piss. I don't want to fire her before we have a really good go at working it out. However, I really don't think that she knows what she is doing and much of the time it really feels like babysitting and nothing more. Am I unreasonable to expect more from a nanny? I feel like I will need to do all of the planning for her and teach her about really basic childcare such as the need to teach children how to fall asleep on their own and how to motivate a 3 year old.

I am sorry that this is so long but I am at the end of my tether. I plan to talk to her next week and need some help.

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FabIsGoingToGetFit · 29/05/2010 11:54

Sorry, I could read completely to the end because I was so desperate to say get rid. I used to be a nanny and now have 3 children so have seen both sides.

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 29/05/2010 11:55

Have to nip out now but will be back later if you want to ask anything.

BosomsByTheSea · 29/05/2010 11:55

gosh what a lot of problems..

If it were me, I would have to let her go. Fundamentally you need to trust that whoever looks after your dcs has oodles of common sense and also some initiative. Sounds like she has neither and I think you've been very patient.

blouseenthusiast · 29/05/2010 11:55

She sounds terrible. did she have good references?

blouseenthusiast · 29/05/2010 11:56

I have had 5(!) nannies. the ones who start like this do nto improve in my experience. I don't think I would continue to trust this woman with my children. I would start looking for a replacement asap, awful as that is.

3littlefrogs · 29/05/2010 11:59

She sounds awful. I wouldn't trust her with my dc.

Missus84 · 29/05/2010 12:02

She sounds a bit crap. Was she a nanny before? Is she qualified? What did her references say?

Honestly I think you and your children could find better. There must be local nannies who know what they're doing - she seems to be struggling with even the basics. What made you hire her - what are her good points?

blouseenthusiast · 29/05/2010 12:04

I have read through this again. Does she actually ahve any experience with children? She doesn't actually sound like a nice person; she sounds like someone who is trying to get away with the bare minimum, who is not concerned about your children and is trying to use the job to continue her own social life and do her own things. I would be a little worried she would eg take them swimming, when you have said not to. I would not carry on employing a nanny I thought had been lying to me.

Northernlurker · 29/05/2010 12:08

Come on op - you know you you need to get rid don't you? I know it's a huge hassle but you are paying this woman a lot of money and so far she hasn't helped you out at all - just disrupted your life. Your children haven't been eaten by wolves and sold in to slavery but that's about the only thing that can be said for her. Your younger ds would be better off in a nursery than with someone so basically lazy. I've used a nursery since dd3 was 1 and they have always listened to me about naps - rejigging their timetable in the afternoon so that she still gets a nap but can also do the 'jolly phonics' which she adores.
The things you refer to are so basic - any nanny, childminder or nursery should be achieving them.

MortaIWombat · 29/05/2010 12:08

She is really fecking dim. She is also lazy. Is this grounds for dismissal? I hope so.

nannynick · 29/05/2010 12:18

Is she very young?

looneytune · 29/05/2010 12:21

I'm not a nanny but a childminder and I'm sorry but she sounds rubbish. She sounds like she hasn't got a clue and tbh, I'd expect her to have more experience and to help parents when they need advice and not the other way round. I suggest you find someone else, no matter how 'nice' you think she is.

Sorry you are going through this stress, what a nightmare!!

MrsMargate · 29/05/2010 12:30

What's she studying at college?

And she's taking the piss, as well you know. She's taken a job miles away from her pals and now she's bored and unable to make a new group of friends locally - who knows why.

She's not going to improve - she sounds clueless tbh. Who asks for a pay rise because they miscalculated their commuting expenses ffs? I would be too embarrassed to ask for that.

Phone her referees and ask if they had similar problems and how they dealt with her.

And ask her what she enjoys about the job.

Then sack her.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 12:39

She has to go as I thin you realise..

nannynick · 29/05/2010 12:41

Activities for children can be quite sameish week to week. Children do like the security of having a routine.

Looking at the first month of a new job with 2 boys then aged 8 months and 3y10months, my outings went something like this:

Science Centre & Woodland
Toddler Group
Walking in Parkland
Themepark
Indoor Softplay
Local Town (can't remember what we did, may have been going on a bus)
Walking in Parkland
Historic Building
Science Centre & Woodland
Trip on a Train
Walking in Parkland
Watching boats on the river
Science Centre & Woodland
Walking in Parkland
Science Centre and going on a steam train
Walking in Parkland
Historic Building
Local Town (child's hair cut I think)
Toddler Group
Walking in Parkland
Steam Train Museum

So as you can see there is a reoccurring theme going on... the children like the Science Centre, going for walks in the Parkland and going to historic buildings and on steam trains.

We did not do things like painting, drawing, junk modelling... the 3 (nearly 4) year old was not interested in that, he was far more interested in Science and History.

Would you have been happy if your nanny had done the sort of trips I have put above? Some of them involved quite long journeys.

As the employer it is up to you to decide what you do and don't want your children doing, though when they are little I feel it's best to go with whatever the children are interested in. Babies like getting out and about and seeing the world around them - people watching. Being stuck indoors at home I don't feel is good for anyone... though maybe that's just the way I feel about things.

I do wonder if part of the issue is that you are finding it difficult to let go and to trust your nanny to do things on their own initiative.

It does sound as though this nanny does not have much initiative and is not giving you reasons to trust them... you are not feeling that the children are as safe on journeys as they would be with you for example.

mickytoo · 29/05/2010 12:43

I can't believe you haven't sacked her. I've had lots of nannies and I can confidently predict that your list of issues has very little chance of being sorted out to your satisfaction within --- oh maybe 2 years?

mickytoo · 29/05/2010 12:44

Oh and by the way, roughly speaking, it gets harder and harder legally to get rid of someone the longer you don't do anything about them.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 12:46

Nannynick what a fab list of activities!

GetThePartyStarted · 29/05/2010 12:50

FWIW, it does seem that she is trying her best, but she is not "getting" what you want. Baby falls asleep in the buggy, so she lets him sleep, you say that's wrong and he should sleep in the cot. She puts him to sleep in the cot, you say she shouldn't have as he was ill. She gets him to sleep in the cot, you say she's lying and let him sleep in the cot for too long.

It sounds like you don't trust her, or want her to look after your children, so it would probably be best if you parted ways.

LisaD1 · 29/05/2010 12:55

I'm an ex childminder not a nanny but my heart is screaming out to say get rid! She does not sound in the least bit interested in your children.

nannyl · 29/05/2010 13:07
  1. completely fair to remain in your area most of the time... but perhaps as a one off (maybe a trip in each holiday?) she could meet them at a nice location eg animal farm / soft play / country park in the middle.
    You say she asked you? perhaps she meant "do you have a train timetable?" and IMO its not unreasonable to ask anyone if they happen to have something you want to have a quick look at
    (if she has iphone and internet sureley she could locate a timetable that way)

  2. YABU... so many people have speeding ticket and ok she was found to be at fault in an accident once... doesnt make her a bad driver

  3. YABU.. she was being honest... you say yourself no evidince yet... i had asthma as a child but no risk of having an asthma attack now
    Im pretty sure you cant legally discriminate againts her for this

  4. i know many babies who do sleep in a buggy... (not for 3 hours though, (and I personally do nap in cot after lunch))
    also if in dispoable nappies unless soiled most cope well from waking until lunch (when nappy is changed)

  5. IMO going to the park enjoying the sunshine in the afternoon isnt that bad. (agree that it doesnt take all afternoon and there is still time to do other stuff)

6)she should have asked you first... it is not unherd of for a nanny to take her charges with them to run own important errands. (I do not make a habit of it but have in the past taken charges with my to mobile phone shop to sort my phone (once) nipped to my house (5 mins away) to collect something, posted MY letters etc etc... but easy to make fun for child and they dont need chocolate)

7)how cheeky well done you

8)surely this is the same as 4? ok its an issue but IMO id becoming a problem you should have made it clear that baby was supposed to sleep in cot much earlier on

  1. complete at letting ill baby scream for so long... must be bad for neighbour to call you. You are quite right to be furious

10i) ok you told her to hold him to sleep... so cant really complain if she lets him cry and cuddles him to sleep... also you settle him most of the time surely so cant reallt blame nanny.
If child has been ill that can cause issue like that as opposed to nanny per se

10ii) if she lied then you cant trust her... if you dont trust her then think twice about leaving your children with her

  1. as you are SO bothered i suggest you find toddler groups, pay upfront and tell her to go. Or just say we are starting tumble tots on monday and music group thursday at 10am...
    You say no plans for half term... giving beneift of doublt maybe she is planning to be at home and do some nice activities that you have asked her to do?

  2. any decent nanny should be able to amuse a 3 year old to be honest

13)I have always managed to take 2 children swimming (including and baby and a 3 year old) if you are organised it can be done safely and is great fun for all.... just because you cant doesnt mean a proffesional nanny cant (no offence intended and i do accept maybe your nanny is not a proffesional nanny)

  1. sounds like she was trying her best... children often get fussy at this age... you say he has been ill too... this is not nannys fault. i expect if she informed you that your baby had eaten nothing cause he didnt eat what she offered and she let him go hungry you would not be happy about that either?

In all honesty i think you need to have a chat?
You are clearly unhappy... I guess she has finished her probabtion period (during which time you could terminate ger contract easily)
If so you can only get rid of her if she is guilt of gross misconduct OR by going down disciplinary route verbel then written warning then dismissal...

I suggest you sit her down and tell her:
that you expect her to go to groups and DO activites at home etc...
and insist she keeps a DETAILED diary about what she did and when, nappy changes, food offered and eaten, naps activites etc...
also lend her your camera and ask to her to take LOTS of photos so you can see what she does.
make it clear what you want and expect and then when she deviates from your (reasobale) requests you can follow your warnings etc...

sounds like a horrible situation to be in, and there is a lot to learn for when you employ your new (hopefully much better) nanny.

Lifeinagoldfishbowl · 29/05/2010 13:23

Agree with NannyNick that week to week activities can be quite samish - especially if you find a group you like - During my week I have 7 "slots" to fill ie mornings/afternoons where we don't have to be somewhere specific - and I tend to go to the same toddler group twice a week - as my 2.8 year old enjoys it and I like the other mums etc.

However it is good to be able to have the ideas to get out and about or stay at home and engage.

In the past week we have

Been to town - went to the castle, played at the playground, visited the library and saw the fish in the bookshop

Stayed at home in the garden playing in the paddling pool, watering the plants etc

Been on bike rides in the woods and round the block

Visited the playground

Toddler groups

Teddy bears picnic

Zoo

Been on a train ride - to the local train station and came back again

And most of these we do on a weekly basis.

I think if you want to keep her I would sit her down and make her a time table of activities and get her to follow this for a month and then speak to her about it at the end of the month where she could change some of the activities etc.

majafa · 29/05/2010 13:26

Some one else asked her age, is she quite young and inexperianced,
the only time I did a spot of nanning was when I was 18 ish, looking back I really didnt have a clue, just knew I liked working with children so
Prehaps if you have the time, book your children in to things you think they might like. ie organised weekley classes, Tumble Tots prehaps an art and craft session..

Just a few thoughts

JaxTellersOldLady · 29/05/2010 13:37

your 'nanny' sounds awful. Is this thread for real? I ask, because it sounds like you have an irresponsible teen looking after your children.

And just for the record, I didnt do lots and lots of activities with my DC. Yes, we did some outside play, creative play, playgroup, softplay and getting messy in the woods etc but I didnt have an hourly schedule. I would suggest that whoever is looking after your DC in future keeps a diary of what happens through out the day/week and that you also have a diary of expectations or list of what you would like to happen during the day.

Children do have to learn to play themselves and to amuse themself - otherwise you end up with "I'm boooooorrrrrrrrreeeeedddd" and you have to entertain them constantly. (IMHO)

wrinklyraisin · 29/05/2010 13:48

OP your nanny sounds young, inexperienced and lazy tbh. Not a great combo when you need someone reliable, hard working and with initiative! I was have a review session with her, outline activities you want your children to do, sign them up, and also implement a detailed daily diary including photos. Then tell her you will sit down with her again in a month and if things haven't drastically improved then she will get her marching orders as she cannot do the job she's hired to do. I would also go through all the points in your contract with her, get her to see this is a serious job that she needs to take seriously. If she is young and inexperienced then she would hopefully welcome some direction on how to improve. However my gut feeling is she is lazy and you may be better off parting ways. Some people are nannies for the money/easy life they think it entails. I bloody wish lol. I work insane hours for okay money but I would NEVER slack on the job because in my mind children need the security and routine of a confident and loving caregiver. So if she is in it for the wrong reasons she should find a job in Tescos where she can get away with not putting her heart and soul into the job!!! Lazy nannies make me grrrrr