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uncomfortable with childminder driving my dd about

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mollynp · 04/09/2009 20:59

i don't know what is considered normal, so if anyone can help, please do! my dd is starting with a childminder next week. my other two sons were looked after by in-laws so have no experience of childminders.
Basically is it normal for childminders to take kids out in the car much if they don't need to (i.e. don't need to drive to schools, etc.)?
i am really uncomfortable about someone i don't really know driving about with my dd, when i don't know how skilfull a driver she is, or how safe her car seat is/if it is correctly fitted. I am very anal about car seats, and my dd has a stage 1 rear facing one in our car. so i'm also not really happy about her being forward facing in the car.
Is it acceptable to ask her not to take her out in the car? or if i'm uncomfortable with dd being forward facing, should i buy another rear facing seat for her car (£200-250)?
Also the car has loads of scrapes and dents in the side, which doesn't make me entirely confident!!

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Shoshe · 07/09/2009 21:50

We dont do shopping and such trips, but do go out most days, to soft play drop in centre, feild trips and such.

Without my car (an 8 seater Mazda Bongo, to fit all the children in during holidays times) we would be confined to the Army Camp we live on I certainly wouldnt want to take 3 under 2.5 on our busses, all buggies have to be folded, and are very infrequent.

I used to do a school run in the car, but the children I look after now, all go to the Camp school which is within walking distance.

I supply all my car seats, I dont have any birth to 1 car seats, but have 3 that reverse and are birth to 3, although up to now I have used the reversed by the time they are 12 months, but it is something to look into.

Shoshe · 07/09/2009 21:54

Just thought, the middle seats in my car can all be reversed so they back onto the front seats (my car can be used as a camper van) does anyone know if I can have the seat belts moved as they would be in the wrong postion with the seats reversed, would be brilliant if they could as the children would be all facing each other with the under 4's permently reversed.

Maybe I should start a thread.

Katymac · 07/09/2009 22:07

Shoshe I have a feeling (as my car is similar) that car seats aren't safe if they aren't facing the direction they are supposed to be in the car (iyswim)

Shoshe · 07/09/2009 22:09

Bugger, it would be so great if they could,

What about cars that you can swivel the seats around, I looked at a delicia once (ugly car)that had seets you could turn around.

Katymac · 07/09/2009 22:15

It's about forces and direction of travel (IIRC) if you are going forwards you need one type of car seat, if backwards another sort

Not sure tbh about multidirectional ones but I think due to the different fixings they are likely to be 'car travelling forward' specific

squiby2004 · 07/09/2009 22:40

In answer to your question molly you go with your gut instinct. I have had some parents come to see me and I don't tryst them to pay on time/collect on time/have any consideration for anyone except themselves. So I don't take them and thats just based on how I feel about them during our meeting.

As I said you dont sound the sort of parent that feels comfortable with a CM and I think you would fair better with a nursery setting.

And no I would not buy a £200+ car seat because you wanted one as I have good quality car seats that all sit at the top of the which lost report and I am happy with them. In fact I don't think a single childminder I know would either, so if you want one you will need to provide it.

vInTaGeVioLeT · 07/09/2009 23:26

the childminder has to have your permission to take your child out in a car or taxi or bus or at least i have a permission form about transportation for parents to sign -
i think that you need to fully trust your childminder to look after your child and it sounds like you are just having a panic and focusing your anxiety on this aspect.
it is very hard to let someone else be responsible for your baby but she is a professional.

xoxcherylxox · 07/09/2009 23:59

hi i am a childminder , when i first started i did not drive and use to work everywhere or use public transport. i was taking lesson at the time and all the parent of the children were over the mooon when i past. we ussed to have to walk half an hour to a school then half an hour on the way back. then i a child started nursery there would have been no way i could have walked to mother and toddlers for half 9 leave at half 11 walk half an hour to get home make lunch then get the child to nursery for 12.45.
my now my day is even busyer and would not be possible to do without the car i have to get a child to school for 9 school is 2 mins in car but over half hour walk with kids, pick another child up before half9 take my daughter to playgroup for 9.45 which is in the next village go straight to mums and tots leave there half 11.30 and be bk at playgroup for 11.35. then got afternoon nursery kids at 2 dif nurserys starting at the sametime one finishing at 2.55 then picking up from school at 3 then the other nursery at 3.10 no way i could do it without car. plus during holidays we go on lots off outings as the children are not use to being in all day and would go mad stuck in. if a child came to me and was not to use my car then i would not take them on as i would not be able to carry out the rest of my job properly and accomodate the other children.

mollynp · 09/09/2009 12:56

ring the essex county council road safety officers or look at rearfacing.co.uk if you want any info on rear facing seats for toddlers. i wouldn't be happy with my dd being forward facing knowing the risks. look at the crash test videos (under gallery) and you'll see why!

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kitkatqueen · 10/09/2009 00:40

shoshe, I have read somewhere about putting carseats on rear facing seats, but can't remember what the verdict was, why don't you ring the manufacturer of the seats and ask them, I had to ring britax the other day about a 2 point belt problem and they were really helpful.

FourArms · 10/09/2009 07:44

Shoshe I have a VW Sharan, and it does suggest that for younger children you reverse the seats. The seat belt buckle is actually on the seat, so for the clip to be on the right side, you would have to swap it over with the opposite one. However, mine has the child seat integral to the car seat (for 9m+), so the seat belt positioning wouldn't actually matter as I'd be using the 5 point harness which was part of the actual seat. Fab car and I love it!!!

Shoshe · 10/09/2009 07:57

I will have to look into it more I think.

The bit that the seat belt goes into is actually on the seat, the the belt is anchored behind the seats on the side wall, the same as the front seats, so I dont know if they can be moved.

ArcticLemming · 10/09/2009 08:13

Mollynp
Do check the carseat fits your childminder's car before you buy another set of tether straps. Not all front seats can take a tether strap, and the childminder may need to travel with 3 car seats in the back - as the rear-facers are usually wider she may not be able to fit one in.

WE use rear facers, but when the DDs are with the childminder they use forward facing (can't fit our rear-facer in her car). It's not ideal, but it's a pragmatic decision and I like the fact she takes them out and about. I kept DD in her rear-facing baby carrier as long as it was safely possible (up to 18m in her case when she reached the weight limit).

EleanoraBuntingCupcake · 10/09/2009 08:35

the op is barking imo

ArcticLemming · 10/09/2009 10:19

That's very supportive and helpful Eleanor

Most mother's have an achilles tendon when it comes to their child's safety and car safety is certainly a more reasonable anxiety than many based on statistics of real risk. It's also always difficult when you first start using childcare.

mollynp · 14/09/2009 18:40

eleanor, shall i assume you don't care about the safety of your children when they are in a car?!!

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limonchik · 14/09/2009 18:42

Have you come up with a solution with the CM molly? How's it working out?

claire83 · 02/08/2010 22:45

hi i am a childminder and i would say to you to speck to your childminder. i use the car regulary with my children but have permisson to do so. a good childminder will always use the car at some point for outing etc. in terms of the car seat if it concerns you that much then you should provide one you can not expect the childminder to go a buy a specific seat costing over £200 that is rediculos. in terms o the condition of the car as long as it is road worthy any damage may not have been caused by the cm we dont earn mega money to be driving around in bran new mercs

JenniPenni · 03/08/2010 12:27

Claire, I think you are just under a year late in reply

gorionine · 03/08/2010 12:30
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new2cm · 04/08/2010 11:57

mollynp:

Hello.
I will fisk through your post in the hope I can reassure you. Although you should be addressing these concerns with your own childminder - have you spoken to her about this?

"Basically is it normal for childminders to take kids out in the car much if they don't need to (i.e. don't need to drive to schools, etc.)?" Yes and it depends on the circumstances. If the childminder is running late for whatever reason (for example, a parent brought a child late to her) and she wants to get all the children to school and nursery on time, she may use the car instead of walking. Remember too, there is a financial incentive to walk. After all, the cost of fuel in very expensive and although some childminders claim it back on expenses, the childminder still has to pay cash up front for the fuel so it is simplest not to do the journey by car in the first place unless necessary.

"I am really uncomfortable about someone I don't really know driving about with my dd, when i don't know how skilfull a driver she is or how safe her car seat is/if it is correctly fitted. I am very anal about car seats, and my dd has a stage 1 rear facing one in our car, so i'm also not really happy about her being forward facing in the car."

This is entirely understandable. Speaking as a childminder who uses her car, I always show my car to prospective parents and ask them whether they want to use my car seats (I have a collection of 10 car seats!) or their own.

When I sign the contract with parents (and only once I received the deposit cleared into my bank account), I offer them my prospectus (62 pages long!) containing my policies, procedures, permission slips and copies of my certificates. This includes a car use policy. I explain why I use the car and my prospectus has a copy of my MOT, car insurance and a certificate saying that I have completed a course on car seat fitting and have done so with the necessary competence. With 3 children of my own, and with 3 mindees on my books, I also get plenty of practice!

"Is it acceptable to ask her not to take her out in the car?" If you do insist on this requirement, the childminder will probably have to reconsider whether to take on your child. It depends on how many other children she minds, and their ages and needs. I do not know how old your daughter is, but children do not fair well being cooped up in the house all day and if there are others in her care, they will need to go out on outings. Depending on the distance, sometimes it is simply not feasible to expect 6 children under 8 to walk, for example, along very busy roads to the nearest soft play centre or park. To a certain extent, it depends on where the childminder lives.

"or if i'm uncomfortable with dd being forward facing, should i buy another rear facing seat for her car (£200-250)?"
That should not be necessary. The childminder should have the necessary equipment in good working order. The car seats my mindees use are never older than 3 years and are in the best condition possible. However, if you are not convinced, it is ultimately your decision if you wish to purchase a car seat for your daughter and the childminder to use.

"Also the car has loads of scrapes and dents in the side, which doesn't make me entirely confident!" I have a few dents, and none were my 'fault' and all occurred whilst the car was stationary. For example, I have a dent from where someone in a neighbouring parked car opened their car door into mine. Then there is the dent from where someone pushed a shopping trolley into my back bumper.

I hope this helps ? it is always difficult to reassure someone over a forum. Please go speak to your childminder. I must admit that I would be a little put out if one of my parents had asked these questions on a forum and not to me personally.

(My mindees are on holiday this week btw, just so you don't think I'm on mumsnet during working hours!)

new2cm · 04/08/2010 12:04

I know I'm late replying but it's just in case any other mums have similar concerns.

Mum2Luke · 07/08/2010 16:47

I have a permission form which I asked parents to read and sign to say whether or not I could drive them to places.

I drive a T Reg 7 seater with fully comp insurance and valid MOT with car seats relevant to most ages of children. If the parents wanted a very expensive one they would have to buy it and I would make sure it was only be used for their child.

Why don't parents want their child in a car anyway? If I was using the bus because they did not want me driving it would cost more and fees would have to go up.

Mum2Luke · 07/08/2010 17:12

I do walk though to most places, it just makes our life easier with alot of children if we can use our cars.

I don't live walking distance from a park so we go in the car and also I take children on outings to places which buses don't go to.

Mum2Luke · 07/08/2010 17:22

I know, if we could off-set our taxes to include a new car like a company car. There is NO WAY we can afford a brand spanking new car!

So what if its got a few dents and scratches Mine has lots of scratches so am not too bothered about that, I do expect them to treat it with respect however, not like the children I used to mind, eating and drinking in the car was banned after their rubbish was left and spilled drinks were all over the upholstery making it sticky and unusable for my family to use (I had it valeted and gave bill to the parents - it was done by their children so they had to pay). Angry

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