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Is she taking the piss?

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Minki · 30/06/2014 10:37

I have had a nanny for my two boys, aged 6 and 4, who started with us just over a year ago. My youngest starts school in September so the hours will drop from 40 hours per week to 20. The nanny knows this and I have discussed with her many times and asked her if she will consider staying. She said 20 hours is not enough and that she needs at least 30 but that she would try to find another job to supplement. That was about 2 months ago and she has so far not found another job. I kept saying, do you think you will stay as we can look into other options to boost your hours, e.g. nanny share, and I tried to find another family to give her extra work in the morning, but she has not seemed v interested in any of these suggestions but told me she was applying and interviewing for other jobs. I have also said that we would be happy to use her on just a few days a week if she got a full time position on other days but again, o response. I then decided, in early June, to get an au pair as I desperately needed to reduce the amount of £££ I was spending on childcare (I am literally living off my credit cards trying to make ends meet), and also because I was concerned the nanny would get another job and leave at any point. I therefore dropped her hours to 20 hours per week and am using an au-pair for the extra hours (which means I am spending £280 per week as opposed to £400, plus tax, NI etc). Thing is, I can't really afford £280 per week and would prefer to just use the au-pair, who is sat around not doing much most of the time, but didn't because I was trying to do this right thing by the nanny and keep her happy so that she would stay with us into September. I then get called yesterday by another parent asking for a reference. I gave her a good reference but she then tell me that the position the nanny is interviewing is for only 3 days after-school. I am then massively confused. I then text nanny to mention that someone has called me for a reference, which i gladly gave, but then said, do you know the position is only 3 days a week after school, and so I am offering more hours. I then said, I assume then that you are leaving and so I should look for someone else to start in September? She then said, I don't know yet, its too early to decide etc. I have now concluded that she simply doesn't want to stay with us but is not telling me until she gets another job and it has really really upset me as it feels like she is using me and has rejected the children. I have said several times, even if you stay for a few days per week that would be great as continuity for the children, but it seems she won't even consider this as she is applying for the same job, in fact, even fewer hours. This is not the first time we have been badly let down by a nanny. Really had enough.

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Minki · 30/06/2014 18:47

Well, after the nanny before got pregnant 2 months into the job and, when she didn't come back from maternity leave (as she wanted to bring her child but be paid the same amount and I didn't agree) I had to pay her out her holiday AND notice which cost me 2.5k in addition to the new nanny's wages and holiday, I decided a shorter notice period might be better.

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Minki · 30/06/2014 18:50

She also expected to be paid full pay whilst on sick leave. She was on sick leave for about 2 months so I had to employ them as cover. She expected me to be able to afford double instead of just statutory. Just waiting for someone tell me what a meanie I was on that one as well. I should have been able to afford £200 a day, right?

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Blondeshavemorefun · 30/06/2014 19:09

sick pay or ssp should be in the contract, you obv didnt have it in or you would have been paying ssp at £80ish a week

Minki · 30/06/2014 19:20

I did thank god and did pay that but the nanny was not happy at all and complained to other nannies that I did not pay sick pay at the full rate.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 30/06/2014 19:42

let her complain Grin

adp73 · 07/07/2014 16:19

Gosh! If money is such a struggle why use an expensive nanny? Not a very financially astute choice. A childminder would have cost you at least £100 to £150 per week less.

Anyhow you told her you would be employing her at her current full time rate until Sept and then you employ someone else and half her pay? Nice one I wouldn't be keen on working for you either I must say. No wonder you have had a few Nannies if you have treated them like this. Have fun.

eeyore12 · 07/07/2014 18:26

Also just to add if your ex nanny wanted to bring her baby with her and you said no then she should of resigned and given you enough notice (as stated in her contract) for the notice period to run out at the same time as her mat pay plus accrued a/l so you shouldn't of needed to pay her any period as extra.

Hope you get the current situation sorted soon

Callaird · 08/07/2014 17:49

It's not DOUBLE TAXATION!

Your employer pays your tax and NI on your behalf.
You pay your nanny tax and NI on her behalf. The gross wage is her wage. The tax and NI comes out of her wage! You do NOT pay double tax and NI!

I do agree that childcare should come out of your wage before you are taxed but to say you are doing her a favour by paying it is ludicrous! You are legally bound to pay it for her! Not doing so could end up in a huge fine and possibly a prison sentence.

Callaird · 08/07/2014 17:56

You love the nanny and want her to stay on but the you call her useles?!

Like others have said, she has two weeks notice I. Her contract, that is all she has to give you. She will let you know when she has decided on what is right. Until then you either give her notice or wait until mid August for her to let you know either way.

BerylStreep · 08/07/2014 21:20

I suspect the OP has disappeared. However, FWIW, I thought there was a move to include nannies in the childcare voucher scheme, which if you are a higher rate tax payer could save up to 40%. Not sure if it ever happened, but there was certainly talk about it when I was employing nannies.

TouchOfNatural · 09/07/2014 12:02

You've chosen the most expensive childcare option. This is your choice. There are cheaper options out there.

I hear both sides - you're both trying to cove r your bak. She wants the stability of a salary (albeit halved), till Sept .. But if she finds another role sooner she will leave sooner, this is just the way employment goes. She'd be silly to miss an opportunity. Same for you - you need to look at options NOW. So if you fins someone suitable sober you'd give her notice sooner.

Try not make it personal. Or that she is 'rejecting' your kids. It's her job. She'll bond with new kids at her next job. It's childcare. She's not a parent.

donkir · 09/07/2014 14:33

I don't know if this has been suggested as I haven't read the entire thread but I'm a nanny and worked for 2 boys after school and then full time in the holidays. My pay was calculated for the whole year and then divided by 12. This worked out well as it was not such a pay cut for myself but did work out cheaper for the employer. Having a nanny is the most expensive form of childcare.
I think one of you needs to make a decision and stick with it and the umming and ahhing from you both is not good for the situation or the children who eventually will miss out.

donkir · 09/07/2014 14:36

Beryl I get paid a third of my wages in vouchers. To get vouchers nannies have to be registered with ofsted which there is a fee of £100 per year. To be registered you need at least a level 2 qualification in childcare, a crb check and a up to date first aid cert.

MintTeaForMe · 09/07/2014 20:57

Fucking hell, what a bear pit this place is. OP I sympathise with you. Some nannies are crap, and she sounds like one of them. Your desperation for continuity for your kids is putting you in a terrible position: just get rid of her as soon as you can. Mumsnet, and the threads in this section in particular are massively biased towards nannies. You won't get thanked for pointing out their deficiencies. Now ladies, shall we all desist? Some of the attempts to aggravate the OP on here are heartless and pathetic.

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/07/2014 21:31

I don't think this nanny was crap / just that she got told her job would b going down in hours by half in sept but ended up being 3mths early - so course she will look for another family - she has bills to pay

Being a nanny is personal and unlike working in an office - but in the end it is a job and anyone can look for a new job and leave their current one whether a nanny - nurse - office worker etc and the employer shouldn't take it personally

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