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Support thread for those of us who are requesting an ELCS after a previous traumatic delivery

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withorwithoutyou · 27/04/2010 14:21

Hello everyone.

I have noticed a lot of threads regarding requesting ELCS lately, probably because I am in the process of trying to request one myself!

I just wondered if it might be useful for us to have a support thread where we can talk this all through as I know it can be a challenging process to go through.

Can I please also ask in the nicest possible way that anybody contributing to this thread can respect our desire for ELCS over VB? Thank you!

Anyway, I'll start - I have one DD, born 20 months ago by forceps after failed ventouse. She weighed 9 pounds 11 and I am concerned this one will be heavier! I am 30 weeks and have my first consultants appt tomorrow where I will be requesting an ELCS!

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withorwithoutyou · 11/06/2010 15:01

Hazeyjane about you not being signed off yet and no anaesthetist appt. No wonder you are fuming, and 2 weeks is a long time to have to wait for them to sort it out. I hope you are ok, it sounds like the absolute last thing you need.

Am thinking of Lovethesea and Onebabyplease lots, hoping they are both ok and enjoying their new babies.

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mumtoblaire · 12/06/2010 15:35

Had talk with midwife yesterday and she said that I obviously had a traumatic experience with first labour and would probably get elcs. Got appointment with consultant on thursday 17th, so feeling quite positive.

Will let you know how i get on.

withorwithoutyou · 13/06/2010 14:17

Mumtoblaire, that's great news, keep us posted.

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OneBabyPlease · 13/06/2010 19:22

Well ladies - OneBabyPlease received her much longed for baby order at 12.02pm on Friday!

Our beautiful, amazing son Emin was born weighing 7lb 14oz. He is gorgeous, handsome & ours! Just can't believe our luck! He's perfect.

The C-sec was everything I could have wished for - calm, relaxed, stress-free & peaceful, DH was great. I will write a more detailed post later re the elcs - only came home this afternoon! But it was a wonderful experience & I'm feeling pretty good already bearing in mind it's major surgery.

Just feel wonderful really!

More to follow later!
Thanks for thinking of me xx

withorwithoutyou · 13/06/2010 19:32

Yeay, congratulations onebabyplease!!!!

So glad it went well and lovely to hear your little chap is healthy and handsome.

Well done to you and look forward to hearing more when you have time xx

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mookle · 13/06/2010 20:25

onebabyplease - congratulations and well done!! Looking forward to hearing more about your experience when you have time but so glad it was calm and positive

Lovethesea · 13/06/2010 20:54

Hi all - just home late this afternoon so I'll write up more tomorrow when I catch my breath - but;

Alexander born 1512 Thursday weighing 8lb8oz, came out crying, agpar of 9 immediately, healthy and happy. Looks like a mini squished winston churchill and I adore him

Section was calm, painless and speedy. Recovery is going well. Bit sore and stiff as expected but much, much less pain than with emergency forceps birth and everything functioning properly so far (even bladder is behaving itself!)

Will add details asap but congrats to Onebaby too!

withorwithoutyou · 13/06/2010 21:07

Congratulations Lovethesea!! Brilliant that it all went so well and everything is functioning well.

Sounds like you may have had a bit of a wait at hospital if he wasn't born til mid-afternoon - hope the hanging around wasn't too bad.

Well done and look forward to hearing more soon xx

Am loving all the birth stories on this thread, after hearing everybody's awful previous birth stories and experiences it's just great to hear some lovely ones.

Mookle - not long now for you and I!!! How are you feeling about it all?

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mumtoblaire · 13/06/2010 21:24

Congratulations! To both lovethesea and onebabyplease

cant wait to hear all the details.

barkfox · 13/06/2010 23:08

I don't want to butt in rudely, but just to say, I've been following this thread for a while, and I'm so glad to hear you've both had safe and happy birth experiences, lovethesea and onebabyplease. As withorwithoutyou says, it's lovely to hear positive stories when some of you have been through some awful times, so I'm really pleased for you - big congratulations!

WhatSheSaid · 14/06/2010 03:13

Congrats Onebabyplease and Lovethesea. Glad you both had such great, calm births!

jabberwocky · 14/06/2010 04:15

Congratulations to lovethesea and onebabyplease and any others that came before. I had ds2 by ELCS after a traumatic birth with ds1 and it was the BEST thing I ever did. There was no way, even after counselling, that I could have faced another attempt at vaginal delivery. Now, whenever I hear of childbirth I have my lovely memories of the second time around and am no longer haunted by my first experience.

This is a great thread and I wish all of you the very best!

mookle · 14/06/2010 07:27

Withor I am so looking forward to the birth partly because I am so uncomfortable with SPD but also I am a little apprehensive in case things dont go as well as they could. I have to keep telling myself my recovery might be harder than others as I dont want to get myself all excited and then be devastated if things go wrong and I am ill afterwards. In addition I worry a lot about going into early labour and what will happen and just practical stuff really like how I will cope getting DS to school when DH goes back to work after 2 weeks.

How are you feeling? Am I alone in feeling all these worries?

hazeyjane · 14/06/2010 08:08

Congratulations LovetheSea and OneBabyPlease!

I am so happy for you both, what lovely names. I can't wait to hear all about your births, and am so pleased that you both had good births - it made me so happy to read your posts.

Mookle, I know exactly what you mean, you are definitely not alone in your worries. Yesterday I had a full on panic attck, dh sent me to bed, because I was crying and in a real state. When I woke up my heart was racing, and my head felt like it was going to explode. I just suddenly felt so worried that I wasn't ready, that the hospital isn't ready for me, that dd1 is having a really hard time at the moment (she is only 4 and is having to deal with a new little brother, moving house and starting school). I think I might have overdone it yesterday, because I was panicking I cleared out a load of draws for baby stuff, dragged the crib out of the shed, and generally started lots of jobs that I have no energy to finish.

Mookle and Withor - what dates are your sections?

And I've still got 3 weeks to go - aaaagh!

hazeyjane · 14/06/2010 08:20

Congratulations LovetheSea and OneBabyPlease!

I am so happy for you both, what lovely names. I can't wait to hear all about your births, and am so pleased that you both had good births - it made me so happy to read your posts.

Mookle, I know exactly what you mean, you are definitely not alone in your worries. Yesterday I had a full on panic attck, dh sent me to bed, because I was crying and in a real state. When I woke up my heart was racing, and my head felt like it was going to explode. I just suddenly felt so worried that I wasn't ready, that the hospital isn't ready for me, that dd1 is having a really hard time at the moment (she is only 4 and is having to deal with a new little brother, moving house and starting school). I think I might have overdone it yesterday, because I was panicking I cleared out a load of draws for baby stuff, dragged the crib out of the shed, and generally started lots of jobs that I have no energy to finish.

Mookle and Withor - what dates are your sections?

And I've still got 3 weeks to go - aaaagh!

withorwithoutyou · 14/06/2010 09:21

Jabberwocky, that's really good to hear, thanks for sharing that - I would love to have happy birth memories from this time round. Would settle for ones that just don't give me nightmares though!

Hazeyjane, wow, you have got a lot on! Hope it all gets sorted before your ELCS.

My section is 29th June.

I think I'm the only one who isn't panicing yet, but that's just because I'm firmly in head in the sand mode! 37 weeks tomorrow so I think it all might become very real from then. I've felt calmer since I got my section date at 34 than at any other point in the pregnancy though so if I can hold off the worry for much longer then I willl try to!

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ealey · 14/06/2010 09:29

Congratulations Onebabyplease and Lovethesea! So glad to hear that it all went well, and that you both have beautiful healthy sons. Lovely names too - my first is called Alexander . All the best for your recoveries. I'm at 4 weeks now, and feel completely back to normal.

hazeyjane · 14/06/2010 09:33

Calm is good, withorwothoutyou!

Your section date is on my birthday - it is a very good day to have a birthday (I always had really good outdoor parties, when I was little, and then had a few at Glastonbury when I was older)

Fortunately the house move has been put off until Oct/Nov time, and I have the Summer Holidays in between having dc3 and dd1 starting school - but she is very aware of everything that is going on, and seems to be having lots of nightmares, and cries whenever she leaves my side, so I'll be glad when this period of turmoil is over!

mookle · 14/06/2010 10:29

hazeyjane so its not just me having an attack of the disaster scenarios in my head lol! Hope you feel better today, I seem to be just like a little black cloud of doom over myself thinking what if its actually worse than my last recovery from VB - I really hope not, I cant see how it could be but that little niggling voice in my head keeps telling me not to be so sure. Im in a glass half empty mood I think. You have lots to deal with and house moves and DD starting school are both big emotional events so you have every reason to feel that way, I on the other hand am a big misery guts!!

Withor - glad you are feeling calm about it all, I hope I become resigned (and therefore calamer!)to whatever fate will throw at me as \I draw nearer to the date.

My date is 1st July - what is yours hazeyjane?

withorwithoutyou · 14/06/2010 11:14

Hi all, I said a little while ago I'd tried to put everyone's dates together.

This is what I can find from the thread, please add any that aren't on here or I've missed so far!

May 11th Ealey and 30ish June 10th Lovethesea June 11th Onebabyplease June 29th withorwithoutyou July 1st mookle July 5th hazeyjane July 9th whatshesaid

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withorwithoutyou · 14/06/2010 11:16

Oops, I'm not very good at bolding

Hazeyjane, hadn't thought about the Glastonbury angle, that's a good one. The baby will be born not long after DH's birthday and I've always thought end of June is a good time for a birthday being roughly 6 months from xmas. Loving that there will hopefully be some summer left when I have this baby - DD was born mid august 2 years ago and the weather was awful from when she was born onwards.

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mookle · 14/06/2010 12:17

withor thanks for doing that list its really helpful! I know what you mean about there being some summer left when baby arrives - DS was born 8th september and it seemed like seconds before crap/cold weather started and I just didnt want to go out and about with hm - hoping this time will be different!

Lovethesea · 14/06/2010 19:52

So - my elective section story time. I have written it in great depth in case that helps anyone who like me loves details, details, details when facing the unknown. Apologies to those who would prefer bullet points and feel free to skim through!

I had to be at hospital on Thursday for 0700, we arrived fine and I was so relieved to be there and finally at my date not in labour. I got shown to a bed in a 4 bed room and given two trendy gowns to put on, one forwards, one backwards - a preservation of dignity but sadly not of shape. I lounged on the bed reading a book and being eager to get going while resembling a tent. DH was with me and the greatest hardship was thirst and hunger as I'd had to fast all fluids from midnight before and hadn't eaten since 2100 the night before. Waited. Waited. Waited. A couple of other people in the room got taken away for their sections. Waited. I got anxious when we hit lunchtime and made sure they weren't going to send me home (I was planning on refusing anyway, couldn't face another anxious night imaging labour pains starting).

Finally the theatre had space (a very busy rush of emergencies had delayed me) and we went down at 1430. I put my anti-DVT stockings on, had lots of quick chats with staff and checklists were doublechecked with me. I was allowed to wear my contact lenses when I explained they are long use ones I normally sleep in. DH was taken off to get scrubs on and then had to wait in the corridor while I went into theatre.

A canula was put in my hand and a drip attached. Then the anaethetist realised he had it in wrong and put another one in my wrist and removed the first one, apologising for the bruise I would have. A BP collar was put on my arm, a couple of stickers attached for monitoring, then a second anaethetist put my spinal in. It was sore like any injection but no worse than the canula or normal arm ones. She said she wasn't certain it had taken fully so she might need to top it up. I laid down on the theatre bed and was squirted with super cool liquid to check the spinal was working. I couldn't feel the cold at all but my legs felt tingly though not unpleasantly so. I was asked to try and lift them and couldn't. A sheet was hung up in front of my face and DH was brought in to sit by my head.

I started to feel tugs and pushes as I had been told to expect, no pain at all, just pressure and a surprising amount of weight like someone was leaning on me. It all felt oddly high up on my chest too but was not painful at all, just weird. I chatted to DH and felt totally calm and relaxed. About 5 minutes after they started I was told the baby was almost out, then I heard crying. Wonderful noise

The midwife popped round the sheet with him and showed us our lilac coloured crying son. She held him close so I could kiss him and speak to him and I was touched that he stopped crying at my voice. Then he was taken to the side to be checked, cleaned and wrapped. His agpar scores were 9 then 9. He was soon back in DH's arms with his eyes tighly shut pulling faces. I loved being able to look at him and kiss him without pain or trauma. 8 pounds 8 shocked me as he was only 39 weeks.

I felt lots more pressure and tugging as they fixed me up and in no time at all I was told it was all done. The sheet came down, I was slid onto the bed and given Alexander to hold skin to skin while wheeled back to recovery. I was hooked up to another BP monitor and a drip. My head felt heavy but there was no pain. I was given sips of iced water and felt nausea and was then sick a little. The midwife held a pot for me and fanned me with another. I had so little in me anyway it wasn't really a bother and I was still happily holding DS. They jabbed me with an anti-nausea drug and 5 minutes later I had more water with no problem. I felt really hungry and the roll and jam they got me tasted heavenly. I had more water and some digestives and felt fine.

Then I had an annoying symptom moment as I started to feel itchy and my skin felt hot. Mostly my face, arms and back which I knew was a reaction to the spinal, as the nausea had been. The BP cuff was going off every 15 minutes and that itched too. Alexander had a breastfeed and more skin to skin. The mw told me they had nearly needed forceps to get him out! The surgeon had just asked for them to be passed over when he came loose and they weren't needed.

I was wheeled up to the postnatal ward around 1830, clutching my newborn and feeling so proud. I asked for a single room but was put onto the 4 bed ward with 3 others. Someone found me a sandwich and some orange juice and DH sorted some of the hospital bag things out for the night before he had to leave at 2000. The catheter and canula were kept in for 24 hours and the latter was annoying as it's position in my wrist meant it kept catching on things as I held DS, but we are talking very minor annoyance. I tried feeding DS every few hours but he was sleepy and bringing up foamy mucus so not interested. I was told the foam was normal as he hadn't been squished through the birth canal and he would get more interested in food once he wasn't full of foam.

The first night the mw's came to change and pass me DS for bf whenever I buzzed. One baby on the ward was very unsettled and cried all night. My MP3 allowed me to sleep on and off though. Next day I was helped up to the shower. The catheter made it awkward but I just needed to move as carefully as I did at the end of pregnancy, slow movements, legs close together and pulling stomach muscles in. I was utterly delighted when the catheter came out that afternoon that my bladder didn't collapse. I didn't have the strong sensation of needing to pee, but I didn't leak and just went every few hours roughly and had no problem in peeing then and controlling it until on the loo.

The next day I got chatting to the other mums on the ward and we actually got on really well. Not being in tons of pain did wonders for my socialability and we were able to swap stories and help each other out with the bf as we all tried to get them past the foam stage. The MW's commented that not many wards chatted like ours came to, so I know I was really lucky with that this time. The second and third nights were harder as Alexander was more demanding and I had to get up for him, but the tiredness was manageable and interspersed with odd snatches of sleep or at least rest. I was discharged Sunday afternoon with no issues raised for either myself or DS.

The recovery so far has been fine. I am sore and stiff in the tummy but nothing like my post forceps pain at all. I can sit comfortably with no pain. The worst pain has been the afterpains as the womb contracts while I feed - like bad period pain. I have taken all the drugs offered and was reassured more than once that if I felt any breakthrough pain I would be given more. When I move I find standing straight is comfortable. The worst aches are when getting up or down from bed and that's just from the cautious lowering/rising. Once up or down I am fine. I am able to walk around easily and the stiffness has gone.

As I write this epic I am laying on my bed with no pain at all, DS is sleeping in the moses basket next to me, my compression stockings are on (apparantly 6 weeks is ideal though they admitted that most people don't bother once home, I will wear them a bit as I am resting up so much with MIL here, once I'm active again I'll not bother). I am able to do anything except heavy lifting or twisting my tummy about. No problems or pain peeing or pooing (unlike post forceps). I am starting to do my pelvic floor and stomach tightening exercises as the physio recommended and feeling utterly positive about my potential to recover to being ME again.

I am delighted with the birth of Alexander and feel so happy I am able to enjoy these first days instead of immense exhaustion, pain, tears and trauma. I am still taking it a day at a time and expecting possible setbacks with the bladder etc - but so far, so good

withorwithoutyou · 14/06/2010 21:26

Wow Lovethesea, what a brilliant story!!

So glad you are enjoying your time together and recovery is going well. Glad to hear the ward was ok as well.

Keep us posted on how the recovery goes, and congratulations again xx

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hazeyjane · 14/06/2010 21:43

Aaah Lovethesea, Your post has bought tears to my eyes. What a wonderful story. Thankyou so much for writing it out in full,it really helps to get a sense of how it might be.

By the way, you are a really wonderful writer.