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c-section a must, if refused i'll need to pay, advise on getting c-section on nhs or paying the nhs in wales, or private c-section in wales

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Ema76 · 13/08/2008 10:39

a c-section is a must for me.
i am really worried that i will be refused one on the nhs. if so i have to have options. can i pay the nhs to give me one? really want to have my baby in wales too which restricts me as it seems more private c-sections are done in London.
Does anyone know of a good private hospital in wales (south in particular) and how much it would cost?

Many thanks for your help.

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jofeb04 · 15/08/2008 18:01

Ema,
I've only read your first post, so apologies if I am saying anything out of turn.

Just to let you know that I live quite close to you, and am also a birth supporter so willing to chat on the phone to you. Email me on
jopowell1 at yahoo dot co dot uk

Highlander · 16/08/2008 14:09

Ema76,

came to this v late. Have you got your CS?

I too opted for an elec CS, as I suspected DS1 would have a big head like his dad. I did not want a horrible labour like MIL. My priorities were my post-natal recovery, and breast-feeding. As it turned out, DS1 was oblique, with the predicted big head! After the CS, the registrar's words were, 'thank God you didn't try to push him out!'.

My only words of wisdom........

  1. You'll get Volterol up yer bum during surgery.
  1. Inflammation causes pain - thus keep taking your anti-inflammatories regulary. Ask for another Volterol (Diclofenac) 6 hours post-birth.
  2. After 48 hours, switch to Ibuprofen for another 48 hours and see how you go.
  3. Get out of bed ASAP. Sounds mad, but the sooner you move, the better you heal.
  4. The worst thing I found was moving from side to side - rolling over in bed was sore for 2 weeks. Bizarrely, every other kind of movement was fine!

Good Luck!

Miarey · 26/08/2008 13:37

Ema76
I'm so pleased I found your post. I hope you get this as I know I'm joining this discussion late. I too am trying to get an elective c section. I'm 10 weeks pregnant and have been told I won't be refered to a consultant until 24 weeks! Please will you give me any words of wisdom as I see you have been granted your CS when you are still early in your pregnancy. Is this your first baby too?

PMHull · 17/10/2008 15:47

There are so many inaccuracies in the comments below regarding the risks involved in a planned cesarean delivery.
I realize that I have arrived at this discussion too late to go into all the details but I wanted to post a message here in case Ema76 (or any other woman who has made the decision to have a cesarean delivery) comes across these pages.
It is a perfectly reasonable decision to choose a planned cesarean delivery if you are planning a small family and the baby is delivered at 39 weeks EGA. For more information, you can read my blog (cesareandebate.com) and information website (electivecesarean.com).

Miarey · 19/10/2008 19:39

Hi PMHull
Just wanted to say thank you for your website. I am a member and have found it really valuable. I am pleased to say I have scheduled a c section and can enjoy my pregnancy. It's great!

Thank you for speaking out.

Ema76 · 08/11/2008 17:56

Thank you for the website and your message. just saw it.

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Ema76 · 08/11/2008 18:01

Miarey just read your message - very late I know. I am now 20 nearly 21 weeks pregnant and had my elective c-section agreed ages ago which has put my mind at rest no end. find a consultant that is sympathetic to your needs - if they are not change them. I put my case forward and it was agreed. If it had not been I would have found another consultant. I asked for an appointment to see the consultant early due to my request and was granted the appointment. Phone the secretary and make one. sadly the wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease. please let me know how it goes and good luckxx

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Miarey · 11/11/2008 18:22

Hi Ema76
Thank you for your advice. I've done just that and actually all the staff I've seen have been really understanding. I'm booked in and have a date which is great. I'm 21 weeks too and have been able to enjoy being pregnant since I found out. Such a relief!

Hope you are well and happy!

gabygirl · 11/11/2008 21:26

"A women has the right to make an 'informed' choice of how she gives birth. However, if she then 'chooses' an elective, she is obviously not yet 'informed' enough! "

I've come late to this thread. I hope I don't offend anyone with my contribution. Wanted to respond to the above comment about informed choice.

Basically wanted to point out that there's a fair amount of evidence that women who choose to ff are actually often very poorly informed about the possible implications of this choice for themselves and their babies.

I'd be very interested to read research on how women make decisions about CS and what information they're given from different sources. It seems to me that science is throwing up new things all the time about the birth process and breastfeeding which suggest that the choices we make might affect us and our babies in all sorts of subtle, unexpected ways in the short and the long term. Not sure I'd want to pay much attention to these things though if I'd made a decision to go for an elective and bottlefeed.

Would like to add - if all women birthing vaginally had the amount of money spent on them as women birthing operatively, so that they had access to one to one, continuous care throughout pregnancy and birth I bet you'd see half the number of bad outcomes for vaginal births - fewer bad tears, fewer emergency sections, fewer traumatised mums... and then I suppose it would follow that there'd be fewer women requesting elective sections in the first place. Every time I go into hospital I'm just flabberghasted at how women are expected to go into these places and have normal, happy births.

On a personal note - as someone who has had three difficult vaginal births I still find it difficult to imagine wanting a c-section. If you told someone you were having your gall bladder out and having a labrador puppy delivered to your home for you to care for on the same day, they'd think you'd taken leave of your senses. Yet we take it for granted that it's fine for someone to have a c-section, assume responsibility for a fragile newborn and begin breastfeeding all at the same time. No judgement there - but I've had keyhole surgery and remember what that felt like afterwards. I had to send my children to my mums for three days afterwards as I was in so much pain. Certainly felt worse than after all my births - including one forceps birth, one three day labour followed by a pph and one shoulder dystocia with an 11lbs baby. But I appreciate it's not the same for everyone. One mum at my dd's school came in to pick her dd up 4 days after her elective. With the baby in a sling! Yikes. She looked happy enough though. Was probably drugged up to the eyeballs.

theautomatic · 12/11/2008 08:29

gabygirl, read your post and had to reply!
When I was pregnant for the first time I too couldnt imagine wanting a c-section. Despite not really researching vaginal vs c-section births, I knew I wanted to avoid a c-section because its generally accepted that it is major surgery. I was well up for giving birth vaginally and assumed it would be pretty straightforward. I expected to have to have stitches and was generally quite relaxed about the whole thing. BUT having had a horrendous vaginal birth which left me physically and emotionally traumatised for a long long time I have now chosen to go for a c-section this time round.

Your point about having to look after a newborn after having a c-section is very valid. I can imagine it is very difficult especially if you have other children to look after to. All I will say is, that with my vaginal birth I was left crippled and in so much pain that I could barely function let alone look after my baby. Luckily my dh was very supportive. Guess the point I'm trying to say is that you can still have a vaginal birth (and I had no intervention but tore badly) and be in as much agony and I would argue MORE so, than if you had a c-section.

I'm currently investigating c-sections at private hospitals, I feel that strongly about it. I do think ALL women should be able to make the choice about how they give birth, it is after all our body and our baby.

Sorry for the hijack!

star6 · 12/11/2008 09:35

Hi there. Ijust had to put my 2 cents in on this thread - only now have I seen it. I wanted a c section at the start of pregnancy for various reasons, all very valid. I was convinced to have a vaginal birth. I should have fought for a c section. I love my ds with all my heart and loved the moment he was brought to my tummy after the birth but if I ever did it again it would have to be c section or adoption. I am disgusted that they made me go through with the vaginal birth despite my persistent requests. I now attend weekly counseling which is just dealing with the birth I could only just barely bring myself to use toilet tissue afterward.

Sorry... but if you feel strongly that you want a c section, fight for it and get it.

gabygirl · 12/11/2008 10:43

"I do think ALL women should be able to make the choice about how they give birth, it is after all our body and our baby".

Theautomatic - out of interest, did you have good care in labour from a midwife you knew and trusted? Do you think that might have made a difference in any way to what happened during the labour and how you feel about it now?

I think that all woman CAN choose to have an elective. If they can find the money to pay for it. The argument as to whether the NHS should provide c-sections on demand - when they can't even provide enough midwives to enable mothers birthing vaginally to have a safe birth is another issue. If they tripled the number of midwives and introduced caseloading across the country, so that all women had continuous one to one care in pregnancy, labour and posnatally and still had enough money left over to offer operative births to women who don't have a medical need of one (I include tokophobia in the category of medical need) then I don't think I'd object to elective sections on demand. If they kept the status quo on staffing and hugely increased the number of c-sections beyond what we have now it'd end in medical disaster for women and babies.

Bubbaluv · 12/11/2008 10:49

Gabygirl, I have had keyhole surgery 3 times and found it MUCH more painful than my emergency CS. I had no problems looking after my DS when we came home from hospital, breastfed without any issues etc etc. Yes, I was lucky, but then some of my friends who had vaginal births had dreadful recoveries.

Bubbaluv · 12/11/2008 10:52

Careful gabygirl, the same argument could be used to argue against homebirths. Why should 1 woman having an uncomplicated birth get 2 midwives dedicated to her, when other women with more complications get 1 midwife shared between god knows how many? (Not my thought by the way, but many people's birth choices put strains on the NHS's resources).

gabygirl · 12/11/2008 14:40

"Why should 1 woman having an uncomplicated birth get 2 midwives dedicated to her, when other women with more complications get 1 midwife shared between god knows how many?"

The research suggest that homebirthing mums have half the rates of operative/instrumental birth, and only a fraction end up opting for an epidural compared to low risk mums birthing in hospitals. I'm sure homebirths save the NHS money once you factor in these reduced costs.

By the way, in most homebirths the second midwife doesn't hang around - she's called in as second stage approaches and disappears shortly after the actual birth. Often they're only with the mum for an hour or two around the time of the birth.

Bubbaluv · 12/11/2008 15:39

Don't you think things might be better for the women in hospital if their midwife never left them? Probably would significantly reduce the complications there too.

theautomatic · 12/11/2008 18:36

To answer your question Gabygirl, no I did not receive good care from my midwife. The postnatal care though was truly horrfic. My dh and I have worked all our lives and pay tax and national insurance so in a way, I have already paid for my care and I dont see why my taxes shouldnt stretch to a c-section. I must have cost the hospital thousands in follow up care- have been back and forth seeing various consultants as a result of the damage from my vaginal birth and had to have follow up procedures including removal of scar tissue etc.

I accept there are risks with c-sections however there seems to be more risks when the vagina is involved. My NHS consultant told me he'd rather do a c-section anytime than try and repair a 3rd or 4th degree tear as a result of vaginal birth. Apparently vaginal repairs are far more complex than carrying out a c-section.

gabygirl · 12/11/2008 19:10

theautomatic - I appreciate you can only judge what you want for your next birth on your own experience so far, but if you look at the RCOG site you'll see that there are gynaecological risks involved in both vaginal and c-section births. I appreciate that there are lots of women out there who've had bad tears, I just wonder how many of these are the result of of poor midwifery care in labour and not just about the size/position of the baby.

Anyway - have you had a look at the RCOG guidelines on C-section? here

According to the RCOG the following are increased with c-section when compared to vaginal birth:

abdominal pain
bladder injury
ureteric injury
need for further surgery
hysterectomy
ITU/HDU admission
thromboembolic disease
readmission to hospital
placenta praevia
uterine rupture
maternal death
antepartum stillbirth in future pregnancies
not having more children
neonatal respitory morbidity

And the following are the same when compared to vaginal birth:

haemmorhage
infection
genital tract injury
faecal incontinence
back pain
neonatal mortality (apart from breech)
intercranial haemmorhage
cerebral palsy
brachial plexus injuries

The following are lower when compared to vaginal birth:

perineal pain
urinary incontinence
uterovaginal prolapse

The guidelines are very interesting and helpful, and I think it's reassuring for those people planning both c-sections and vaginal births to see how rare really bad outcomes are.

Ema76 · 16/03/2009 13:46

My C-section is all booked and I am delighted to be having the birth the way in which I want. Above all I am so looking forward to meeting my baby.

My only fear is that I will go into prem labour - so many people are mentioning it and I wish that they wouldn't if honest. I haven't had any braxton hicks contractions - is this usual and are most first babies late as opposed to early?

I have not been to any classes for many reasons not just the c-section but purely distance and time as well.

I have made my bag up now which I was only going to do the night before. it's only a week away now!

Didn't know if I should open a new thread or use this one!

Your replies are appreciated.

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StealthPolarBear · 16/03/2009 13:51

Glad you have it booked - so is it next Monday? Wow that came round fast!
Do you know if you're having a boy or a girl? (apologies if that's been answered but it's a long thread)
BTW you bumping this might bring up some of the old arguments, especially from people who don't relaise it's an old thread. Are you feeling up to that?

Ema76 · 16/03/2009 13:56

couldn't care less StealthPolarBear. We all have different opinions but luckily it doesn't stop my decision and what is planned.
Having a baby girl! Can't wait!

Only just read Star6 post too - I'm so so sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time and hope that things get better soon. I just know that I would have been exactly the same as you. Just in minor panic now if labour started - although I will have a c-section just would need to get there asap. Worrying though!

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ouchthishurts · 16/03/2009 14:01

that must be a big relief Ema76! Good luck wiht it all. Just to say dont worry about going into labour beforehand - if you do, chances are with a first labour it will be so long anyway that you will have masses of time to get to the hospital and get the c-section underway. Only think of it as bringing the day of the c-setcion forward rather than anything else - if indeed that happens. But dont worry about it. Good luck, and congratulations!

Ema76 · 16/03/2009 14:06

it is a relief and was as soon as I had it agreed and booked. I know what you mean about it just being brought forward but would still send me into mass panic! Fingers crossed! Thank you ouchthishurts

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diddle · 16/03/2009 14:06

Ema76 - Congrats, well done you for putting forward your opinions so well, you're right, its your body baby and choice, and i am thrilled you are havign your baby the way you want.
I'm booked in for a c-section a week on friday and i am so excted about seeing my baby, can't wait.
This will be my 3rd section, 1st 2 were emergencies and this one is compulsary due to how recent the last 2 were and risky to my health. Take your time recovering and enjoy your lovely new baby girl.

Ema76 · 16/03/2009 14:11

Diddle - you are not long after me then! I hope that you have a really good recovery. I have heard that the recovery is better after elective as opposed to an emergency. Do you know what you are having? Congratulations and speedy recovery!
Out of curiosity did you have braxton hicks?

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