Oh FFS is Vbac really better than another section?

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Trying to work out if it is worth holding out or not.....

I do not believe for one second that anything i have said or will say will make any difference to any woman's thoughs on her birth experience. If she feels bad, it is not to do with me. She already felt bad, sadly.
Is it better then that people with contoversial views should keep quiet in case we upset people? I think that is wrong

"don't care what they say about it not mattering how babies arrive as long as they are ok. IT DOES MATTER of course it does and nayone who says is doesn't is a lier and is trying to kid themselves. I really feel sorry for those women who, whether by choice or not, have never given birth normally"

"If she feels bad, it is not to do with me. She already felt bad, sadly."

So spacedust, first you tell us we are liars and trying to kid ourselves, and you feel sorry for us. Then you say that if we feel bad, that it nothing to do with you. Hmmmm.....

yes, so?

You just don't get it do you? An opinion is an opinion. Who says you have to like it? I'm not here to make you feel better or worse. You seem to think I have an agenda. I'm sorry, but I don't . There is no agenda.

Spacedust, your statement alone is not likely to cause this bad feeling in a woman who goes on to have a section. However, when one considers that your statement is one of many that she will here, your statements will carry as much weight as the other hundres ones just like it.

This is everywhere.

A guy I work with recently became a dad. When he came back to work, I congratualeted it and asked how his wife was. He said, "Oh she did really well, just a bit of gas and air." And that was all he really had to say about it. That struck me as really derranged the the main thing he took away from his childs birth was how well his wife managed to endure all this pain. And the really sad thing is I'm sure she thinks the same thing.

Appologies for my horrible typing skills. I swear I didn't go to the pub for lunch.

Totally 150% agree with Normsknockers' long post, at 10.38, with regard to maternity resources. When pg with DS I went to an NCT class with 13 other first-time mums. The only two women who achieved the birth they wanted, were the two who had consistent maternity care throughout. One because she was lucky enough to live somewhere with a proper community midwife service, the other because she could afford an independent midwife. The rest of us had to muddle through. In my case, after a 36-hour labour, I had to have an emergency c/s as I got stuck at 9cm dilated and DS was in distress. This time around I'm having an elective--and have experienced moments of wondering if I am copping out or missing something or whether we should scrape together money for a doula's fee. But you know what? Since I learned that my baby's got some problems (s/he may have hydrocephalus and need a shunt operation) I've revised my opinion. Focussing on the birth process exclusively is a waste of time. All that is really important is that you get a healthy mother and baby at the end of it. It sounds like a cliche, but there's truth in it.
Women should be supported to make informed birth decisions based on their individual circumstances and personal choices. Whether that ends up being a VBAC or an elective is her business, and nobody else's.

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Won't read all the answers since last night but have read Blueshoes... not sure if you'll see this.

I don't understand why they would suggest an induction which we know can stress and distress babies on a woman carrying a baby with a heart condition!!!!

It is a recipe for disaster !! I'm glad and pleased you don' t feel so bad about it but it astounds me !!!

I hope you are sitting down, Pupuce, because I'm going to shock you and say that I agree. I was wondering the same thing when read heart condition. I seems to me that induction is just used as a matter of routine without anyone considering why a woman hasn't gone into labour. Of course we'll differ when I say they should be quicker to go to sections. You probably think that they should wait and let nature do her thing.

I have been following this thread as I had to have a C/sect with DS following an infection. It was a planned one and was a beautiful experience.

However, I am thinking about having a VBAC this time as I needed surgery on my scar 1 year after C/s.

So, today I had my dating scan. So whilst I was there I asked whether a C/s was healthier for the baby... this was my answer

When the baby comes down the birth canal it prepares them for being born. It squeezes all the mucus and stuff out so that they can breathe properly.

With a C/s they are introduced to the world without any warning, which is why so many have fluid on their lungs and as we say 'grunt' rather than cry.

I found this very interesting as I am thinking about having a VBAC.

BUT, my c/s was very civilised and lovely!!!!

I am 6 days post my second emergency C-Section. I chose to attempt a VBAC because I wanted to be able to pick up my toddler (DD) and because I found the first section a bit scary. In the event, DS was in distress and there were other problems during my labour which meant it ended in the section.

However, I can tell you that when they held up my beautiful boy it made absolutely no difference to me how he'd arrived, I am still overjoyed six, sleep-deprived days later! And I don't regret trying for the VBAC either - it just wasn't meant to be.

hi ucm - it is very interesting to read about the mucus thing - my ds1 was c section at 37 weeks and had to be resuscitated 2 days after he was born because he was choking on his own mucus. I'm torn between being grateful for the c section that we were still in hospital at that time and wondering if it was because of the c section that it happened (he is fine now btw)

Morocco, it depends why yuo had a c/s. If it was to save yours & babys life then I guess you are lucky that your baby survived.

we've got lots to be grateful for to the medical profession in general for our ds1. I had pre eclampsia and ds1's birth was a trial induction that ended with c section. the rescus was horrible to see though. I'd like to know if it happens more often with c section babies than 'normal' delivery babies or if it was pretty rare bad luck

I have no knowledge on your situation, but it sounds horrid , there must be another MNetter with some experience.

This is true that babies born vaginally get the mucus literally squeezed out of them. I don't really understand why they don't suction the mucus out of caesarean babies as a matter of routine. But they don't. DC was born at 38 1/2 weeks and he was a bit mucusy (is that a word?). When I asked the pediatrician, he just said "oh we don't do that, he'll be fine.". It cleared up in a few days. I guess if they were worried about it, they would bother to suction.

I actually thought that it must be better for the baby not hhave to go through the labour as it would cause less stress, but I was very wrong!

Why is it better for them (I mean if the mucus was suctioned out)? I don't really understand this point. I've heard this before but I don't really understand why it is better to go through a compression tunnel that squeezes your head so tight that the skull bones overlap and your lungs are squeezed dry is actaully good for a baby.

To me, it made sense that if the baby didn't have to go through the grief of labour, it must be better. But this midwife said that as the birth process is natural, it prepares the baby for life outside the womb. Like an induction to life I suppose.

I have no strong feelings either way really. Was just glad to have a healthy baby. The only reason I am considering a VBAC is because of the problems I had with my scar.

Sorry for being stupid, but what's a VBAC?

vaginal birth after caesarean

Vaginal Birth After Cesearean...

I'm going to try for VBAC in September. I'm nervous but determined to give it a go as the whole experience last time, was for me, a complete & utter let down on many levels plus (not that I believe my chances were higher as a result of the emergency dash to theatre) I did have PND for a good 8 weeks afterwards. I think each to their own...I'm not interested nor does it bother me whether x choses a section over a VBAC etc, personally it's their decision.. What does bother me (& which adds to the sense of failure) are those "friends" (& it did happen to me) who took pity & said "poor you" & burst into tears on my behalf that'd I gone through an emerg section - these friends of course all had natural deliveries & in the vast majority assumed themselves to be "better" people for it & to go & on about how great it was & I quote "you know that special moment when they place the baby on your tummy"...well hell know you idiot as I was sleeping in the OT when my DD was born but thanks all the same......people should really think before they open their gobs!

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Oh yes, link please?