I disagree with my birth story being taken off of here!

[himynameisfred]

and moved to bereavement.

It is a birth story, this is where birth stories go.

Does my daughter birth not qualify for here because of what happened??

@5madthings

please lets not turn this thread into a bunfight :(

i dont think mnhq set out to upset anybody, and i imagine modding these boards is a hard job at times, and we are all fallible, mistakes will be made.

this one is horribly upsetting and was a bad call.

Thank you.

And to repeat once more, we are very sorry for the way we handled this and for the crossed wires with himynameisfred.

Sorry for your loss OP.
I agree with 5madthings though, can't be easy for HQ and they have put their hands up here.
But calling them obnoxious is far off the mark ime.

it's sorted now, the more distressing version is in berievement, her birth story alone is in childbirth x

Helen I have just read your last response to Loopy and understand that wires were crossed, so I take back that comment and apologise for any offence caused.

I am a big bag of hormones ATM and seem to be prone to speaking before thinking right now.

No, I was genuinely trying to make my point without being rude to you then trying to make you feel better after. I won't bother again.

Champagne I wasn't calling HQ anoxia because of the mistakes that were made it was regarding a response made to a poster.

@peanutMD

Helen I have just read your last response to Loopy and understand that wires were crossed, so I take back that comment and apologise for any offence caused.

I am a big bag of hormones ATM and seem to be prone to speaking before thinking right now.

Thank you peanutMD. That's appreciated.

*abnoxious (auto-correct apparently

Never mind, anyway, fred is that better? Lots of support all over MN, just shout and we'll all be there. :)

@LoopyLoopsOlympicHoops

No, I was genuinely trying to make my point without being rude to you then trying to make you feel better after. I won't bother again.

In which case, I'm sorry for my misreading. Am obviously allowing long-buried emotions to affect my posts today. Do please try make me feel better again any time you like.

Group hug?

I think Helen is getting it a bit to much in the neck here.

It's such a emotive subject and things in text can be taken the wrong way.

I hope you don't get put off posting further op. The support here is amazing when it comes to things like this

i am glad its sorted out and Angels birth story is now shared in childbirth :)

and (((massive hugs))) to anyone who has been upset by this xxx

@LoopyLoopsOlympicHoops

Group hug?

Mwah

Also glad that it's been sorted and that Angel Elizabeth's story is where the OP wanted it to be.

I didn't mean to accuse Mumsnet in particular of trying to 'hide' birth stories that don't end well, sorry if it came off like that Helen. More just that our society in general seems to want to hide them away and make childbirth all nice and fluffy in pastel colours. Which I don't think it is, not really. It can be a dangerous and heartbreaking experience too. And obviously I have no idea of what anybody in MNHQ has been through in the past and I'm sorry if it sounded like I was implying that this move was made because nobody at HQ could possibly understand the loss of a child or a bereavement.

It was a very difficult situation and, even if I didn't think you made the right call initially, you have now.

Just a particularly emotional subject for me. Years later, sadly.

Second loopy's suggestion of a group hug.

Maybe a good idea that when MNHQ contact a poster about moving a thread to a different topic, they ask if the OP would like it done, say why they think it will be a good idea and only do it if the OP agrees.

I read the original thread, and very glad I did. if I find myself in the position of having a baby in breech position I would absolutely refuse an ECV. I would not have come across the thread had it been originally placed in the bereavement section. It is a birth story and one that will make women think about a procedure they could possibly have to decide whether or not to have.

I am absolutely disgusted by this - I hate how stillbirths are always hidden away and not discussed. I find it upsetting that mumsnet were not more sensitive to this. Stillbirths happen more than we would like to admit - I think the latest static I read was 11 babies stillborn in England each day - thats 8000 bereaved parents every year and yet its something people avoid discussing. My own DD was stillborn earlier this year and I never visit the bereavement sections of forums because it does not bring me comfort and support - in fact quite the opposite. Every birth story belongs in the childbirth section no matter how unpalatable some people may find it. I have found that people who have not had this experience can actually provide better support than people with similar experiences.

fred i am very angry on your behalf - it should be up to you where and how you share your story and you should get the same choice as parents of living children. Thinking of you