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nickelbabe is resigned to never giving birth

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nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:02

there.
part 2 of the "not-live-birth-thread"

How come I can conceive and carry through a pregnancy but I can't finish one?
Confused

No posting until the original thread has ended.
first thread

I am now officially 40+10.

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Tangle · 08/12/2011 13:21

See if it were me (and given I'm 37+4 now, it could be in a few weeks) my concern would not be that I didn't want the monitoring per se - more that once you're in hospital for monitoring you're a bit of a sitting duck for HCP's with a more conservative view than you coming along and doing a little bit of emotional blackmail re. induction. I'd be much happier to trot along every day if I was confident that I wouldn't be put under pressure to accept other interventions without good cause and that I wouldn't have to discuss my reasons for declining other interventions unless new and pertinent information came to light.

I think my benchmark is that if they are really, genuinely concerned (rather than I've merely had the temerity to go 24 hours past the point their policy suggests induction should be started) then they'll be prepared to compromise on issues such as once I'm admitted DH will be staying with me for the duration, regardless of how slowly the process goes.

(Incidentally, I'm not recommending or advocating this approach, but the general consensus in HB communities is that the only way you can be compelled to attend hospital for the birth of your child is if you have been committed under the Mental Health Act and someone has got a court injunction in place to cover the issue. You do not need to attend monitoring to be "allowed" a HB. In the words of Mary Cronk, '"Allow" is not an appropriate word to use to a mentally competent adult.).

I'm a bit confused over your TTC maths, though - I've always understood that the LMP EDD assumes you ovulate 2 weeks after your LMP, so you're pregnant for 38 weeks (+ 2 weeks before you ovulate as more women know their LMP than their ovulation date). If you know you ovulated towards the end of the 2nd week after your LMP then then the EDD's from LMP and ovulation should be within a couple of days of each other Confused.

Either way, I think I'd be inclined to keep in close touch with your community MWs and come up with a care plan that you're all happy with and that is practical for you to implement. Possibly arrange a meeting with your CMW and a Supervisor of MWs / Head of Midwifery at the hospital - if the SoM/HoM pushes for daily monitoring they should be able to defend why so you should get more information, and once you have something agreed in writing from a Name it should take the pressure off re. hospital MWs following policy.

Good luck - and fingers crossed ISBN gets fed up with all the shilly-shallying around and makes an appearance soon. (For what is worth, I got to 41+3 with DD1 - I had a latent phase of a week or more, but active labour was a mere 7 hours start to finish at home with no drugs needed, even though she came out a respectable 9lb 12!)

MollyintheMoon · 08/12/2011 13:22

I have no advice for you Nickel. I was 40+9 when I went into labour on new years eve last year. The fireworks I could hear sounded as though they were just for me and my new snuggly baby.

Now I'm not saying you should wait til then but hey what's a couple more weeks? Smile

CupAndSorcery · 08/12/2011 13:23

Marks place - as i have been following this for days and i don't want to lose you all now....

Good Luck Nickelbabe - sorry to have pushed the post counter further toward 1000...

JKSLtd · 08/12/2011 13:23

Yes that one please, can I order it from your website? When I search in the little box at the top it sends me away from your site..

Tangle · 08/12/2011 13:24

(I also got very fond of this poem when MIL was calling every day "just to see if you've had the baby yet?" - Did she REALLY think we wouldn't tell her?)

My baby's not a library book

My baby's not a library book,
so she's not overdue.
My baby don't take long to cook,
coz she's not veggie stew.

My baby's not an elephant,
and I'm not fit to burst.
The time and date aren't relevant,
we're blessed with days, not cursed.

My baby can't read dates as yet,
because she's very new.
So there's no cause to fuss and fret,
if she don't come on cue.

So stop your worry,
stop your asking,
there's no hurry
we're relaxing
in this golden pregnant time,
this pause, which is just hers and mine.

You leave us be, we are just fine.

LadyWellian · 08/12/2011 13:30

8 December birthdays: Sibelius, Sinead O'Connor, Amir Khan

9 December birthdays: John Milton, Jean de Brunhoff (the Babar guy), Judi Dench, John Malkovich.

Better company tomorrow, I would argue.

Doilooklikeatourist · 08/12/2011 13:37

Been reading this since start of part one ( hoping for a lovely birth story , with a few gory bits ) and still no baby !
Good positive contracting vibes and thoughts going your way.

nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 13:37

I think so Oma - I got one redelivered today.
god knows what'll happen to the other two!

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Sparklingbaubles · 08/12/2011 13:38

You will heve to print these threads and keep them to look back on Nickel. Smile

nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 13:39

JKS - i'll pm you.

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Sparklingbaubles · 08/12/2011 13:39

have not heve. My spelling's awful today.

JKSLtd · 08/12/2011 13:40

Oh and I know how to spell know too!

nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 13:43

thank you Tangle :)

I have printed out relevant pages from the NICE guidelines, and I will definitely try to sit down with the CMWs about the plan from now.

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nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 13:48

LadyWellian - the 8th is more musical, though.

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AntarcticEther · 08/12/2011 13:50

How far are you ?

When I saw the midwife Tuesday she was going to book me in for an induction at 40+12. I told her I thought my dates were out because I was charting ovulation , and could I push it back to 40+14. She said that's fine , ill see you Sunday for another sweep attempt . No mention of monitoring or panic yet . When do they tend to start monitoring ?

LadyWellian · 08/12/2011 13:52

Only 9 more days until Beethoven, Nickel.

LadyWellian · 08/12/2011 13:53

8 actually, I can't count.

nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 14:05

Antarctic - yours sound a lot more relaxed than mine!

If we assume that the first time I had sex in that cycle (sorry to keep harping on about it!)was 4th march, which on the Viroids thread I said "I told DH we had to have sex, and he went "but i'm tired!"" (or something like that), then that take my dates to 16th December.

We might have done it in that week, because we went to Nottingham 26/27/28 to visit my niece, and I was on the last days of my period then, and I know we wouldn't have done it while up there. So the absolute earliest we could have had sex would be the 1st March when we got home.
(which would make it 13th December)

Which is even later than I thought, actually.
My LMP was 21st feb.

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nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 14:07

26th, even.

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nickelbabe · 08/12/2011 14:08

i can't count.
it should be the 6th earliest, or 9th if we go by my viroids post.
Blush

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youtalkintomeunderthemiseltoe · 08/12/2011 14:35

Ok i'm back, have spent about an hour crying so not much chance of sex, went to MW was different lady, she says my other 2 mws were wrong and that my cervix is completely unfavourable and she wasn't even able to do a sweep, so now i don't know what the hell is going on other to wrote anterior 1cm sweep done this mw says posterior and unable to reach membranes, i'm a multitip so i'm not sure she is correct but she has booked me for IOL next wed saying there is no way they'll be able to break my waters with my cervix like that so need gel the day before Confused even with my first baby i didn't need gel.

I'ts my ds's first nativity next wed and i don't want to miss it Sad baby is 4/5ths engaged, she was just so negative wish i hadn't gone and despite me saying sweeps aren't painful that bloody was, i have had 5 altogether and that's the only one that hurt like that.

Tangle · 08/12/2011 14:38

Confused Still not managing to follow these dates. Do you know when you ovulated?

In the UK an average gestation is assumed to be 40 weeks from the first day of your last period - so your LMP EDD would be 21st Feb + 40 weeks = 28th Nov.

The 40 weeks from LMP assumes that the "average" woman has an "average" 28 day cycle and will, on "average", ovulate on day 14. So you can calculate and EDD as ovulation + 38 weeks. 21st Feb + 14 days would suggest ovulation on 7th March, which wouldn't be inconsistent with conception from having sex on the 4th (as sperm are generally thought able to survive for around 5 days while they try and find an egg to fertilise). 7th March + 38 weeks = EDD of 28th Nov.

The only way I could argue an EDD of around now would be if you have 42 day cycles as standard (most women ovulate about 14 days before the next period starts, so you'd then be counting 38 weeks from ovulation still but that would be 42 weeks from LMP) or if you have a family history of long gestation.

Sorry - I wish I could agree you're barely at your EDD as I know it would help with relaxation, but from the info you've posted I can't see a way to do it at the moment :(

youtalkintomeunderthemiseltoe · 08/12/2011 14:41
Flisspaps · 08/12/2011 14:42

youtalkintome :( Please don't be disheartened. A week is an AGE at this stage of pregnancy (as if you need telling!) so you could have easily have had your baby by next Wednesday, or even get to the hospital and find that you're more dilated than now and can go straight to ARM if you want to.

There's a chance that she's wrong of course, or that she's not very good at sweeps.

youtalkintomeunderthemiseltoe · 08/12/2011 14:43

actually have name changed so you probably won't recognise me but you sent me a lovely pm about breech babies.