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SEN boy making inappropriate comments to my DD

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Sushisurprise · 23/12/2014 01:21

My DD (year 5) has been having trouble with a SEN boy in her class for a couple of years. Nearly every day she comes home with stories about how he hurt someone or said something inappropriate - usually about sex. During year 4 he took a liking to her and would follow her around at lunchtimes and try to play with her which DD found annoying. His mother then complained to the school that DD and some other children wouldn't play with him so DD and the other children were told off. His mother has on several occasions made allegations that he is being bullied at school. Recently the comments being made by the boy have become a bit more personal towards my DD - they are of a sexual context with my DD as the subject of the comments. The comments are quite adult in nature so I can only suspect the boy is being exposed to this language at home. I told the teacher and he was quite shocked and said he was unaware that this language was being used. The boy had to miss his lunch break. Then one of the TAs at the school apparently was told by someone else that my DD had repeated something inappropriate that the boy had said and laughed and the TA reported this to the teacher. The teacher then called my nanny in for a meeting (as my nanny had happened to be picking my DC up that day) and said that they were also having issues with what my DD was saying! I have been fuming ever since. It is my DD who has been subjected to foul language and they are not considering what affect it has had on her or trying to protect her. Shouldn't the school take this a bit more seriously? I can't help thinking that they are basically trying to avoid the issue with the SEN boy and trying to now blame his behaviour partly on someone else. And that they are scared of his mother (she is quite scary!) This all came to a head at the end of term so I wasn't able to speak to the teacher myself again. Any advice gratefully received. I really don't know what to do for the best. I have this horrible feeling that if I make a fuss it is just going to make things worse for DD...

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OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 17:16

I suppose I've been a girl myself and have 2 girls and also I really hate the whole idea that females especially children are routinely disbelieved when they report sexual stuff so maybe my take on this is off the mark.

Frusso · 24/12/2014 17:24

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OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 17:27

Well no for sure.

Boys without SEN are more than capable of sexual bullying and of course girls are capable of all sorts too.

Thanks for posting that Smile

MrsDeVere · 24/12/2014 17:37

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OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 17:39

Year 5 is age 9/10 I think, not 5.

Toughasoldboots · 24/12/2014 17:51

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KatieKaye · 24/12/2014 18:01

He is not 5.
he is in Year 5.

cedricsneer · 24/12/2014 19:05

She was caught laughing about what was said to her ffs people. Read the fucking op before clutching your pearls. I'm out - I am beginning to find this thread offensive.

Ohmygrood · 24/12/2014 19:15

Boy hears sexual language and repeats it. Much clutching of pearls and he is labelled as a bully. he has sen and is ostracised by children and parents. the assumption is made that he has heard the language from his parents.

Girl hears boy using sexual language and repeats it. Much clutching of pearls and accusation that she has been sexually harassed by the other child.

How are both children being treated equally here

MrsDeVere · 24/12/2014 19:16

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OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 19:20

Who has called him an abuser?

Cedric females often laugh in & about these situations. I mean maybe she is being malicious maybe not it's worth looking into isn't it?

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 19:24

I suppose for me it was that the boy has been making sexual comments specifically aimed at the girl, and on more than one occasion.

I would think that needs looking into. Having sexualised comments repeatedly directed at you by the same person can be discomfiting and is inappropriate whether the people involved are 10 or 50.

MrsDeVere · 24/12/2014 19:59

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OutwiththeOutCrowd · 24/12/2014 20:01

I have found it interesting to read this thread and have felt some sympathy for both sides when it comes to the challenge of including children who are different in some way.

I don't want to go into the whole issue of linking having SEN with being sexually deviant, except to say it is clearly, clearly, wrong!

My DS has not been diagnosed with SEN. However, I've been told he comes across as quirky. In his time at primary school, he has been both the one who has had difficulties dealing with a child with SEN and the one who was excluded by the majority of his classmates for being different.

In the first case, in Y5, DS was told he must play with a new boy called X who had social and communication difficulties. DS really wanted to be friendly towards X and tried hard - but found the situation so challenging. X, through no fault of his own, was unable to cope when a game did not go his way. His emotions would ramp up quickly. He would sob and blame DS who would end up getting told off. DS felt powerless and uneasy - there is always an element of chance in children's play and you can't ensure that things won't go wrong at some point for someone. At the same time DS was told that he was being unkind if he said he didn't want to play with X. So he felt he had to play, feeling nervous the whole time that something would happen to displease X and DS would end up in trouble.

The tension built up and built up until one day DS came home and just burst into tears. 'I want X to be happy but I just can't deal with him,' he cried.

I had always encouraged DS to play with X, but with only criticism from adults for his efforts, and with the thought hanging over him that things could quickly destabilise and he'd be in trouble, DS really did find it nerve-wracking. He was so upset that I reluctantly told him it was okay to try to keep out of X's way. It's not what I would have said if there had been proper adult support to ensure fair play and a non-stressful environment for all.

But, in addition to the situation described, DS has also found himself on the other side of the fence.

In DS's primary school class, there were quite a few children with big, bold personalities. DS is on the gentle side and had neither the will nor skill to play the brash one-upmanship games that might have allowed him entry into the main group. He was quickly rejected by the others and never did integrate properly in all the years he was there.

So, I know what it's like to be the mother of an ostracised child.

While I ended up telling DS it was okay not to engage with X, I did so with a heavy heart, and knowing it wasn't an ideal solution. I believe in inclusion. Bearing in mind the pack instinct of children, a strategy of 'just play with your mates' would lead to DS, X, and many others who are different in some way having no one to play with at all. It's a real problem to get the balance right.

Looking at both unhappy cases described above, the unifying factor, it seems to me, is that the school did not provide the necessary resources and manpower to allow social exclusion to be identified and dealt with appropriately.

In the first case, DS wanted to be friendly toward the boy with SEN, but in the absence of structure and supervision, the task was too onerous.

In the second case, nobody seemed to notice or care that DS's classmates were habitually telling him to get lost.

In both cases, the school let children down. That is why I would like what happens in the playground to be taken much more seriously. At the moment, playground assistants, often untrained and badly paid, are frequently left in charge. There does not seem to be a 'handover' protocol - or if there is, it does not seem to be implemented - that would allow useful information/observations to be exchanged between teachers and playground assistants.

And yet, as parents, we know that what happens - or doesn't happen - in the playground can make or break a child's experience of school.

A policy of inclusion presents challenges - and brings rewards - for all concerned. But informed guidance is required.

MrsDeVere · 24/12/2014 20:03

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OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 20:16

"Also what is with all the 'its not acceptable for women and girls to have to put up with....' statements?"

I made that comment. Because women and girls are routinely expected to put up with, ignore, or "laugh off" things around sexual harrassment etc. I am not saying that the boy is doing this, and have certainly not called him an abuser. However the idea that because she was laughing about it means that everything is fine is based in an idea about how women and girls are supposed to react to stuff which isn't borne out in real life. In real life many females will laugh about inappropriate stuff for various reasons and most of them are not because what happened was fine or because they made it up or whatever.

Of course the girl may be malicious I have no idea but equally she has been cast as a villain here and I find that a bit discomfiting. If what she has said is true then it needs addressing IMO.

Sexual misbeahviour (verbal or otherwise) towards girls in schools is rife (there was a report by the girl-guiding assoc which was really depressing) and I find the reaction here surprising. Surely it makes no odds whether the boy has SEN or not if if he is behaving inappropriately. And yet while so many posters are saying that he shouldn't be condemned because he has SEN which is obviosuly right, it seems that because he has SEN he is being assumed innocent and an awful lot of assumptions being made about the girl and the situation.

Surely it needs to be investigated and not just brushed under the carpet. If he is doing it, it needs addressing. If he isn't, then the girl's behaviour needs addressing. IMO anyway And know that opinion is not popular, but anyway.

I just feel like if my child came home and said a boy had been following her around and making comments and now the comments were sexual and about her then I would think that was terrible and needed to be addressed.

SamCroClaus · 24/12/2014 20:17

Did the op come back

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 20:20

x-posts

Why do you assume that the SEN the boy has is ASD? Have I missed some posts.

If he does have ASD and has been following the girl around and making sexualised comments directed at her, what action do you think should be taken?

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 24/12/2014 20:21

I don't know MrsDeVere I read your comment again and it seems the only reason to investigate this is to check that nothing untoward is going on with the boy at home etc is that what you think really?

cedricsneer · 24/12/2014 20:29

Omnipotent I think you are projecting wildly based upon the fact that you have girls. I don't think anyone has cast the girl as a villain in this thread at all.

Frusso · 24/12/2014 20:34

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MrsDeVere · 24/12/2014 20:46

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SamCroClaus · 24/12/2014 23:46

this thread only proves to me how their is so much "hate crime" against disabled people.

Temp09578 · 25/12/2014 00:13

Thanks goodness for you, MrsDV - the voice of reason Flowers

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