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Horrible experience breastfeeding in boots.

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nomorelostweekends · 30/05/2009 20:31

So despite their fantastic breastfeeding policy, it appears that Boots has not got its act together in ensuring that staff are familiar with it. Yesterday I went into a city centre branch without a feeding room and asked to use one of the chairs in the pharmacy waiting area to feed DD2 (tho not sure why I asked in hindsight). The assistant refused, saying that methadone users picked up their prescriptions in the same area. I then asked her if there was someone else I could feed in the store. She stated that the store did not have feeding facilities and directed me to another branch in the city centre. I told her that I didn?t want to walk to the other branch. DD was screaming, I was very hot and the town centre was very busy. I said I was happy to feed anywhere in the store, didn?t care if people saw me and just needed a chair. The assistant repeated that there were no feeding facilities in the store and that I should go to the other one.

By this point there were loads of other customers waiting and I was getting really stressed. I asked if I could use the pharmacists consulting room, which the store has. She initially refused, then agreed to ask the pharmacist. The pharmacist came over and said I could not use the room as she was not sure if they were insured and that was not its purpose. I was about to give up and leave when the pharmacist said she would speak to the manager. The manager obviously said it was fine because I was then taken to the room, although the staff member taking me was very preoccupied by the fact it had a window( thought this was odd at the time, but following later events it made sense!)

Once in the room a member of staff came in and said she was waiting behind the door but that she would have her back to me! I started to feed and over heard the staff member waiting outside the door having a conversation with a man, who I assumed was a member of staff (the room was not in a public area). During this conversation the man clearly said ?She can breastfeed me if she wants?- the member of staff by the door then said ?sush, she can hear you?.. As I left I asked the staff member standing outside the door if the man was a member of Boots staff. She was evasive, but asked if I heard the ?comments?, (suggesting he had made more). Then she said ?sorry, you shouldn?t have heard that, then said ?you know what men are like? and finally asked me not to take it any further (I assumed this meant not to complain).

I rang Boots this morning to explain what happened and am waiting for a response. Am interested to know if anyone else has tried to feed in stores without feeding rooms and how they have got on? Have to say, I have done it once before, 3 years ago in a different branch and they couldn?t have been more helpful. So its not all bad.

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MadameCastafiore · 31/05/2009 09:14

There was a chair - the chair was in plain view - no one said there wasn't a chair - just sit on the feckin chair and show the world that breastfeeding is not something to be ashamed of or hidden away.

warthog · 31/05/2009 09:14

yes, good to not get too upset. but that doesn't make it right.

if we never got upset about rudeness, there'd be a lot more of it around.

speaking of which, mc, did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning? you seem a tad over-reactionary.

TrinityRhino · 31/05/2009 09:16

and I do agree that bf'ders that kick up a fuss for the facilities are making us look bad

there is no need for anything special at all
not even a chair

rasputin · 31/05/2009 09:16

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SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:17

Yes, Trinity, but if the member of staff is not adhering to his own employer's policy he should be pulled up on it.

MC, a chair was not provided, the OP was told she couldn't use it. She was told she couldn't use a private place either and she was told to go elsewhere. Not everyone is as bolshy as you.

TrinityRhino · 31/05/2009 09:17

true warthog
but this wasn't very very very rude
I'm not saying ignore all rudeness but the ops priority was to feed her baby so everything else could just fall by the wayside

also it did seem to be a bloke with a crap sense of humour rather than someone trying to upset anyone

savoycabbage · 31/05/2009 09:21

What did the assistant actually say when you asked to use the chair? How can they refuse to let you use a chair?

Do you not think that initially the assistant just thought that it wasn't a suitable place because of the possible methadone users so she "refused" and then "stated" or possibly suggested that you go to the other Boots. Surely it's up to you if you feed your baby amongst possible methadone users or not. I can't imagine that she was going to drag you out by the hair if you had just got on with it.

I can really see how it must have been a horrible experience for you though.

ROLF at slowreadinginprogress

MadameCastafiore · 31/05/2009 09:23

There was a chair - no one could have stopped her using it - she should have sat down and started and when told to stop pointed out the policy and all this would have been avoided.

If you must have a room go to the store that has.

And no, other than having a crap nights sleep, I am fine - I just find people who get all het up and emotional over something like this are a bit barmy!

warthog · 31/05/2009 09:23

i'm afraid i get my tits out all over the place to feed. done it in a queue for check-in at the airport too. no-one has said a word.

but as a new mother with a 5 week old, i can understand her point of view. i definitely wasn't as brazen as i am now, the first time round.

SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:24

It's not very very rude to make what amount to sexual remarks about a woman who is breastfeeding??

Bucharest · 31/05/2009 09:25

It was a bloke who IMO needs a disciplinary.
He was a member of staff making a grossly out-of-order comment about a customer's breasts. Would he be considered a bloke with a crap sense of humour if you'd overheard him talking about your tits at the till? I think not.
Please OP, take this further.
I can understand the not wanting to sit and feed just anywhere- especially if this is the kind of reaction you get.
If there is a John Lewis anywhere near you- use that in future- they are fantastic and usually have lovely baby-friendly rooms.

TrinityRhino · 31/05/2009 09:29

I dont think I'd be that bothered tbh
there are far more important things to get het up about than someone who obviously is a but thick and thinks hes funny when he is clearly not and rude to boot

SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:30

MC, not everyone is confident feeding in public.
Not everyone is confident enough to just get on with it.
Not everyone is confident enough to ignore the assistant who said they couldn't use the chair and just do it anyway.

The assistant, the man and the pharmacist were each acting contrary to their own employer's breastfeeding policy. The man in particular (if he was a staff member)

SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:32

The Op finishes her post with "I rang Boots this morning to explain what happened and am waiting for a response." She's hardly snorting fire and baying for blood. The store should be pulled up on their lack of adherence to their own bf-ing policy. Clearly they require more training.

MadameCastafiore · 31/05/2009 09:32

So she should have gone to the store with the feeding room SoupDragon and risked the baby exploding and it getting a few degrees hotter on the way!

TrinityRhino · 31/05/2009 09:32

very true and you can complain but I think the op could have saved herself from a horrible experience in this instance and THEN complained to ensure that it is sorted in future

SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:35

No she shouldn't, MC, she should have been treated in the manner that the store claims they will treat her in. She was happy to use the public chair but the assistant said she couldn't. I wouldn't have used it had I been told I could not - I am not confident enough to do that and I do not like confrontation. I have, however, fed happily in the front window of Starbucks.

porcupine11 · 31/05/2009 09:35

I bf DS in one of the Boots pharmacy consulting rooms last weekend. A customer had collapsed and they'd taken them + paramedics into the baby room, so I asked to use the consulting room and there was no problem at all. They just told me to push the door sign to 'occupied' (there are no locks).

You must have encountered a real jobsworth, just trying to make problems where there are none.

I never ask permission to bf in public, and have never had any complaints or comments. However, at 5 weeks I would have felt more self-conscious as DS and I were still learning, so I did try to seek out comfortable restaurant chairs. No way could I have bf cross-legged on the floor at 5 weeks.

SoupDragon · 31/05/2009 09:36

The OP has done nothing wrong.

treacletart · 31/05/2009 09:39

The Boots staff contravened their own policy.
The OP was made to feel shitty.
The male staff member was ignorant and offensive and the female staff member not only colluded with this, but actually suggested to the OP that she should expect that sort of reaction from men.
Yes if the OP had just sat down and got on with it, this situation may have been avoided - but she hadn't set out to make any fuss at all, just a throwaway polite comment.
IMO its a good thing it's happened to someone who has the wit to complain - at least now the staff can be repremanded and educated and hopefully this won't happen to anyone else.

MadameCastafiore · 31/05/2009 09:42

The policy says they let people breastfeed in the store does it not - not that there will be a special private place - she could have sat down and breastfed the baby - she didn't even have to ask to use the chair and I do not understand why she did if she knew the policy?

Whole different matter if the policy was that a private room would be provided - but it is not - a chair will be provided - there WAS a chair there - she should have just sat on the damn thing.

When she did ask and the woman said no she should have just said well go and speak to your manager because your breastfeeding policy says otherwise.

tiktok · 31/05/2009 09:43

The story is very easy to understand, and I don't understand the criticism of the OP at all.

Chairs are provided in the pharmacy area for people who are waiting to get their prescriptions processed. It's courteous, though actually unnecessary, to ask if one of the chairs can be used for another purpose, in this case, to feed a baby, who was clearly in need of it. After all, these chairs may have been needed by an older or disabled person, who would not be able to stand for long....so probably polite just to ask first.

For some reason, this courteous request was refused (but not because of older or disabled people's needs, which might have been acceptable - and they could have brought another chair for her, anyway) and it would take a fairly brave person (and why should you need to feel brave to breastfeed in a shop???) just to sit there, for the duration of the feed, and possibly risk a confrontation...so the OP asked to use somewhere else and after a hoo-hah about insurance and seeing the manager she was permitted to use the room. I don't see anywhere in her posts where she made a big fuss. She then overheard sexually suggestive remarks about her from a member of staff.

The staff were unhelpful to the point of obstructiveness, and a member of staff was offensive about her....Boots (whose core customer base includes mothers and babies) should be ashamed and I hope you get a big voucher and an apology, OP.

People who criticise you for reacting the way you did either haven't read your posts properly or just think everyone is the same about sitting anywhere and everywhere to feed...I would love it if everyone was like that, and if a polite request to use a chair was refused, if everyone ignored it. But we are not all the same, and Boots should live up to their policy!

duchesse · 31/05/2009 09:55

That sounds like a branch with many more than the usual share of "problem" customers. It sounds as though the staff are operating under quite a lot of pressure (front-line mentality). They probably refused for you to use the "methadone" area out of concern for you and your baby more than because you would be in the way, because they knew people would behave badly if they saw you b/f near them. I'm certain they went against they own policies, but equally I'm you can understand the stress they must be under with such an unpredictable clientele. Equally, the clientele would explain why they have no breastfeeding room (too open to abuse). Hopefully Boots will have a policy of concentrating their methadone delivery into one branch per town.

Your experience probably warrants a gentle letter, but I think you have to be realistic about how they are having to work.

tiktok · 31/05/2009 10:03

Good point about the methadone customers' unpredictable behaviour, duchesse, but ironic in that the worst reaction came from a member of their own staff!! Easiest response would be for them to provide another chair in a different area. Boots has a policy, and all stores should have it in place, and staff should be trained in implementing it, whatever their clientele profile.

maria1665 · 31/05/2009 10:18

I've had problems with Boots as well. Their breastfeeding room in their showcase Manchester City Centre branch is a pokey smelly affair - a baby changing room and breastfeeding room in one. It was full, so I hauled screaming baby and other daughter out to find somewhere else.

There's a toilet next door and daughter wanted to go. A member of staff was coming out, but as I moved forward to go in she pointedly locked it. I asked if my daughter could use it and was told quite rudely that it was clearly marked as a disabled toilet (I hadn't noticed) and if I wanted to go, I would have to use the toilets in the shopping centre on the next floor.

I said nothing other than a disappointed 'oh' - absolutely knackered by this point - and watched her saunter off and pointedly tell her mate that women were not allowed to use the disabled loos.

The thing is Boots really market themselves as being mum and baby friendly and charge a premium for this. They have really lost their way on this issue. Their customer care used to be really good - I probably won't bother going back.

John Lewis on the other hand - fantastic, fantastic, fantastic. It says a lot about the store and their general ethos.

Hope you take the matter further. Please let us know how you do.

Madamecastafiore - what an unpleasant post. What's the point of that?

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