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FANTASTIC article on extended breastfeeding in today's Guardian

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emkana · 30/04/2005 10:37

here

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Mud · 02/05/2005 11:46

older children don't need comfort food and drink, they need comfort cuddles and kisses and attention - food should not be used to 'make it all better' IMHO

Mud · 02/05/2005 11:47

pleaaase kick me off this thread, I need to shop I need to shop got no loo roll arrgh

hunkermunker · 02/05/2005 11:48

I know food shouldn't be used as a comfort! But I don't agree that feeding an older child during the day is necessarily about comfort either.

Should an older child have milk at all during the day? For nutritional purposes?

Eulalia · 02/05/2005 11:49

And I haven't b/fed my toddlers all day either. I mentioned further down that my dd, just turned 3 (or 36 months is only feeding once a day just before bed. I don't like toddlers hoiking up my top any more than anyone else and wouldn't behave the way that woman did in the article. For me breastfeeding continued on my terms alone and we did it in an appropriate place in private. The rest of the time she eats and drinks normally just like any other child. I fail to see how anyone can get upset by something like this.

Eulalia · 02/05/2005 11:55

And the amount of 'food' she actually receives minimal - I think this is the problem with people they think solely of breastfeeding in terms of 'food' alone. Think of giving a child a dummy for comfort - its similar - well its not but the closest that a child can get to.

Is it wrong to give a child a dummy to comfort them. And by the way plenty people give their children food for comfort - biscuits and beakers of milk for example, some of them go to bed with their bottles of milk.

I am sure both kinds of people give cuddles and kisses but b/feeding is just another way of providing the cuddles and yes they may receive a bit of food along the way - so what. Food that isn't going to rot their teeth etc, but I am repeating myself...

tiktok · 02/05/2005 11:56

Mud - hopeless answer, sorry People saying 24 months are merely distinguishing between the different 'ages' of a two year old as far as I can see. I wouldn't presume to judge what they 'really' mean by it, still less to say these people have something wrong with them.

frogs · 02/05/2005 12:14

Just a quick thought about the "militant breastfeeding" thing -- I had a look at the American website when I first read the guardian article. As I understood it, the woman who set up the Militant Breastfeeding Cult organisation had heard the term used against pro-breastfeeding people and decided it was so ridiculous that she'd use it for her organisation as a sort of two fingers to those kinds of attitudes, like gay people using the word 'queer' or black people using the n- word.

I didn't really have time for a longer look at the site, but must go and have another look when I have some leisure. A failed long-term bfeeder, myself -- all mine weaned themselves off the breast at 14-15 months. But who knows whether that was them, me, cultural attitudes or what.

Here's a radical thought -- how about a breastfeeding counsellor attached to every GP practice, working alongside the HV. Someone who actually knows about bfeeding, long and short term, and can support women in making the right choices for them and their babies. And change cultural attitudes at the same time. Oh, yes, and a free copy of Gabrielle Palmer's book on the Politics of Breastfeeding for every woman at the booking appointment. What fraction of the Iraq war budget would that cost?

tigermoth · 02/05/2005 12:33

So, this la leche league spokesman went on national TV and told the audience she still breast fed her 11 year old son. Shame on her! Not for the breastfeeding, not at all, but for making it so public for her son. Even if the boy agreed to this announcement at the time, didn't his mother stop and wonder how he'd feel about the TV programme when he hit puberty? How can a mother who, I assume, is preaching about closeness and bonding with her growing up children be so insensitive .

moondog · 02/05/2005 12:42

OMG! After a week long enforced split from my laptop, I log in and see a looong discussion about one of my favourite topics!
(Don't all run away screaming now!!)

Intersting article although some silly cliches and conclusions (ie it's somehow more 'ok' to b/feed if you're slim and pretty??? WOT!! Also, why can't a child pretend to breastfeed? Mine does!!! )

I entertained a Turkish family this w/end (where I live) and their 5 year old son has CP. His mother told me (quite out of the blue) that she b/fed him for 4 years as she knew this is what he wanted and needed. Eventually he self weaned but she told her family that she would do it until he was 10 if that was what he wanted. She also said that as a tiny baby, receiving oxygen, she could see him fighting angrily with the plastic mouthpiece. She said that she could tell that he was so affronted to have a cold hard piece of plastic in his mouth.
Incidentally, he was very tall, much taller than one would have expected, given the height of his parents.

I thought what she said was absolutely lovely.

donnie · 02/05/2005 12:46

breastfeeding an 11 year old is just weird full stop - when does it stop? 14? 18? never?

Gobbledigook · 02/05/2005 12:47

Moondog!!!! I was just downstairs doing my shopping list thinking 'now where is Moondog - she loves a good ding dong on bfeeding'!!

I'm staying off this one as you can see! Well, apart from to say hello to you!

moondog · 02/05/2005 12:50

Gdg..knew you'd be lurking!!
Quick aside- some arse in this apartment block who has the server forgot to pay the subs this month so we were cut off. ( I think...if my Turkish stood the test anyway!!) Nothing, for a whole week! Kids didn't know what had hit them! Did some ironing too!!
Now (rubs hands together in businesslike fashion) where were we???
LOL!!!

Gobbledigook · 02/05/2005 12:52

Ha ha ha!! You should see my ironing pile - it's seriously out of hand!

moondog · 02/05/2005 12:54

But gdg, you are queen of household management!!!
Say it isn't so!!!

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2005 12:55

anyone here read 'fresh milk'. v v good on breastfeeding. apparently, they give ebm people with terrible gut illnesses, and it really helps. i would strongly recommend this book to anyone that has an open mind and is interested in this subject

here it is

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2005 12:56

you need an open mind btw, as it describes how a man gets lactation going among other even more eyebrow raising things...!

moondog · 02/05/2005 12:57

I really want to read that sophable. Sounds fascinating. Will get it when next home to add to my expanding b/feeding archive.

Eulalia · 02/05/2005 12:57

I guess you are still shopping Mud. My hoover has overheated so....

Just thinking what is so wonderful about cows milk anyway? so many babies seem to be unable to tolerate it at best, at worst are downright severely allergic to it. Just don't have that difficulty with breastmilk...

Just read a bit further down ...

Cristina7 - sorry but why on earth were you giving your 5 year old formula milk? Why not just cows milk?

Gobbledigook · 02/05/2005 12:58

Ha ha! I know, it's always the ironing that gets left and I've had loads of work on!

Eulalia · 02/05/2005 13:01

Oh yes and someone mentioned the dad's role in this being affected if a child was still b/fed. Well I've only found that the case when baby has been very small and even then often found both my kids fast asleep after my dh winded them. That was his job so he was very much involved. He got the hard job.

Plenty of babies/children are attached to their mothers regardless of being breastfed or not, that argument just doesn't wash. I can see it would be all to easy to make a false correlation between a child being clingy and it still being breastfed but that's just what people do because they find any excuse to give a reason for people not doing it. Children just have different temperments. As I say plenty of clingy bottle fed babies around too.

Eulalia · 02/05/2005 13:02

Ironing what's that?

moondog · 02/05/2005 13:03

Sophable...lets cut and paste the really way out bits for gdg's and Joolstoo's delectation!!!!

(Girls, you know I love ya really!!! )

Gobbledigook · 02/05/2005 13:03

Evil!

moondog · 02/05/2005 13:05

Yes Eulalia.
My 10 mth old dd is self weaning rapidly,rather to my dismay. Has only one feed a day now, and even that diminishes in length every day.
Very unlike his sister who b/fed voraciously for 21/2 years.

Gobbledigook · 02/05/2005 13:09

MD, just out of interest then, he's not getting much milk now is he? I'm just trying to think how many bottles formula fed babies would still be having at 10 months and I think it's more than one.

Mind you, thinking about it ds1 and ds2 came off bottles and on to cups at 10-11 months so their milk intake probably dropped quite a lot too. And ds3 is just 8 months and he only has about 20 ounces of milk now - just not that interested in it tbh.