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GMTV about to present findings of their breast vs bottle survey..... 8.55

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Jackstini · 10/02/2009 08:54

Article here... www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=33217

OP posts:
jemart · 21/02/2009 23:52

12 month old infant has moved on from the need for breast milk.

vlc · 21/02/2009 23:54

just popping back to thread to tell jem that I do give cow's milk to my dd. A fair bit of dairy in fact. I'm not against cow's milk at all! Also can't imagine a day with moring latte and numerous cuppas for me.

Just that breastmilk is better, healthier and she still needs it. My intention is to keep giving it until she doesn't need it any more.

moondog · 21/02/2009 23:54

I don't dispute mothers (and infants) being ready to move on.

I just can't see how people cna find it ok for a small child to drink cows' milk, but not human milk.
Well,I can, in that I think we have all been conditioned to believe it is weird.

However, when one reasons it out, it becomes apparent that it isn't weird at all.

moondog · 21/02/2009 23:55

Jemart, but why has a 12 month old baby moved on from breastmilk, but not from cows' milk?

vlc · 21/02/2009 23:55

12 month old infant has not moved on from the need for breast milk.

you say potayto, I say potahto.

vlc · 21/02/2009 23:57

serously, you should hear the demands for numnums chez carrot. Oh yes siree, babycarrot has a pressing need for breastmilk.

hunkermunker · 21/02/2009 23:58

Some babies self-wean around the year mark.

Others don't self-wean till they're a lot older.

Given the choice, most self-wean between the ages of two and four.

Jemart, you'll be saying it's more for the mother than the child next, I betcha

(Got sidetracked and didn't make it as far as bed...!)

vlc · 22/02/2009 00:00

jem, why do you think you have this 12 month figure as a cut off?

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:03

As I said, I can only speak from my own experience of motherhood, my baby had moved on from needing breast milk at 10 months, so for me it seems odd to bf beyond 12 months old.
Moondog, adults drink cows milk, babies do not move on from cows milk they progress to drinking the same as adults do and yes this will include cows milk and all manner of other beverages.

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:06

12 month figure as cut off is somewhat arbitrary - I was agreeing with a quote.
Have already mentioned personally I stopped before this point.

plonker · 22/02/2009 00:09

But wouldn't you class the point at which a baby 'moves on to the next stage' as when the baby/child self-weans?

This isn't necessarily at 12 months, and if the child is enjoying breastmilk, why introduce a substitute?

I have to say, that I too find it hard to understand why you think cows milk and particularly follow-on milk are better choices than breastmilk ...

plonker · 22/02/2009 00:11

But jemart, what is right for you and your baby, isn't necessarily what is right for me and my baby ...or mrs jones and jones jnr down the road ...

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:14

I have at no point said that cows milk or follow-on milk is a "better choice" than breast milk. What I did say was that I myself did not breastfeed beyond 10 months and it seems strange to me to continue bf past 12 months old because, atleast IME, the infant will have moved on from this to more grown-up food and drink.

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:19

Never said that either plonker, just agreed with a quote that said "After the age of one breast feeding is bizarre, unusual and not necessary."
If this is not true for your baby, I've no objection to you extending bf, I just wouldn't do it myself and yes I really do think it is strange.

plonker · 22/02/2009 00:19

By jemart on Sat 21-Feb-09 23:24:32

Moondog - I see no problem with giving cows milk to a 12 month old, or follow-on formula or fruit juice. Both my children had all of the above.

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You say that you see no problem with giving cows milk or follow on milk to a 12 month old. But you do see a problem in giving breastmilk to a 12 month old. This infers that you think cows milk/formula are better choices for a 12 month old.

Sorry, I know c & p looks really argumentative and I don't mean to be, I just am genuinly interested in why you think this way?

vlc · 22/02/2009 00:20

'more grown up food' can actually be significantly worse than continuing with the breastmilk though. Would you agree with that?

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:22

depends what the grown-up food is
I am talking wholesome family meals not kebabs here.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 00:23

"at 10 months my dd had plenty of teeth"

Wow. At 10 months old my daughter had the same amount of teeth she was born with and at 2 ½ years she still does. How did your LO get more teeth?

How do you know that at 12 months they have moved on from needing breastmilk? Is it 365 days that they move on or is there another way of knowing? Is there any medical evidence to support this?

They move on from baby milk to baby milk of another species.

My daughter is still breastfed and has had a little EBM when I've given it to her little sister and had some spare. She still likes it whether it's direct from me or not. She will ask for it or she will ask for a cuddle, she knows the difference.

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:31

Your daughters comparative lack of teeth means nothing, at 10 months my dd had plenty of teeth and ate proper food, not all mush. Perhaps for you extended bf is the way to go. It wasn't for me and I still think its strange.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 00:33

I didn't know she was lacking any teeth have you seen some X-ray I didn't know she had?

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:35

I said "comparative lack of teeth" meaning compared to my dd.

jemart · 22/02/2009 00:38

I'm off to bed now, good night folks.

TinkerBellesMumandFiFi2 · 22/02/2009 00:39

Yes, I know what you said. How do you my daughter has less teeth than yours unless you have x-rays to compare?

MrsGokWan · 22/02/2009 00:56

This is DH response from the GMC.

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Subject: RE: GMC Online Complaints
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:31:10 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

Dear Mr Donald

Thank you for your online complaint of 14 February 2009 about Dr Hilary Jones.

Our Fitness to Practise procedures focus on the most serious concerns, which call into question a doctor?s fitness to practise and right to retain unrestricted registration ? that is his or her right to work. In many cases, concerns about a doctor can best be considered at a local level, by the doctor?s employer.

From the information that you have provided so far, we cannot identify any issues that would enable us to conduct an investigation into Dr Jones? practice. We note your objections to the opinion that Dr Jones has expressed and your view that as a TV doctor he should be giving the healthcare professions advice, but it was clear that he was expressing his own opinion.

No action is required under our procedures for Dr Jones expressing his medical opinion. We note that you have raised your concerns with Ofcom and would suggest this is an appropriate course of action.

I enclose a factsheet that explains more about our decision. The factsheet also provides information about other organisations that may be able to help you.

Yours sincerely

Laura Sugrue

Investigation Officer

Fitness to Practise Directorate

Direct Dial: 0161 923 6577

Fax No: 0161 923 6578

Email: [email protected]

MrsGokWan · 22/02/2009 00:58

This is DH's response to them.

I note your point but I have to ask - how could he be expressing a personal opinion? A private conversation outside of surgery out of hours with friends is one thing. This is a TV doctor, on the show he acts as a doctor on, there ONLY BECAUSE he was a doctor. They clearly wanted his medical opinion and the guidance that he gave was in clear breach of your guidelines and rules.