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why do people bottle feed?

406 replies

stitch · 28/02/2005 14:28

first of all, i dont want this to become a slanging match. i am honestly curious about the reasons.
im asking about those women who do not even try breastfeeding. the ones who think that it is an equal choice between breast and formula. i dont want to judge anyone, i just want to know how these women can justify denying their babies species specific milk.
my eldest was mainly bottlefed, my younger two were exclusively breastfed till they were weaned. and moved to formula around the eight month mark.

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lucykatie · 05/03/2005 09:40

YEAH GOOD IDEA AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SPELLING LESSONs!!!!!!!!!!

sorry took caps off.

mogwai · 05/03/2005 09:42

yup, you're right. If you read futher down this post, so many people were annoyed that the thread had been started in the first place, almost "how dare you question my choice"

I think I'm right in feeling the person who started the thread was simply curious, as you said. It's fine to be curious, people shouldn't knee-jerk so much. That's when things get out of hand.

I was appealing more for people to be a bit supportive and to discuss the issue without turning it into a slanging match. It's sooooo predictable when that starts and it ruins what could otherwise be a good discussion forum.

Actually I think there should be a whole new MN website called "Angry Mums" (AM) so those of us who are chilled-out can stick around here and have lively interesting discussions without starting arguments . I think they would all spontaneously combust trying to change other's opinions, like a verbal arm-wrestling match

Love and chocolate to everyone!

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:44

Oh, I have suggested a rudimentary star system on posts to indicate level of aggro long ago, so that those who want to get stuck in and the less...forceful... can stay with what makes them happy!!

mogwai · 05/03/2005 09:45

ps can we also have an emoticon for someone who has just discovered ugly veins growing on the breasts that no longer fit into sexy bras?!!!

neither nor nor do the trick for me, however, I do look at younger lithe bodied women with a sense of

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:46

Sometimes a tiny spark can just set everyone off. Even I (yes, no kidding!!!) think that the wording of the original post is somewhat inflammatory.
Not trying to fan the flames or anything...

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:47

Try 'em all the way up your leg mogwai,which I've had since the age of about 7!!
(Bugger it, going private once ds a bit bigger..)

mogwai · 05/03/2005 09:50

ok moondog, you win.

Still, bloody ugly look for ones boobies, don't you think? Oh, the shame......

NotQuiteCockney · 05/03/2005 09:51

Eh, I'm really pale, my veins always showed. I think they show more while I'm breastfeeding, but if I got depressed by visible veins, I'd never get out of bed!

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:51

Um, you're expecting aren'y you mogwai? They'll get worse, sorry to say. Can't remember if you have a child already?

Gobbledigook · 05/03/2005 09:54

Oi Moondog - I used the going out to work analogy on the other thread and everyone ignored me! Is it because I'm so gobby that everyone just skips my posts!?

How ya doing today anyway? Warm where you are? Bloody freezing here but nice and sunny - just about to get ready to take ds to his swimming lesson. Love it as I get a half hour to myself to chill and have a latte!

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:58

Well if you're gobby gdg, what does that make me?! Two of a kind I say!!
Warm??? Not here in Wales, no, but it is lovely and sunny and we are all about to go for a work.
Turkey is still smothered in snow, so dh tells me. He has gone to look at a car today. should make a big difference to me and ds and dd when I go back.
Enjoy the swimming!

moondog · 05/03/2005 09:59

NQC, that pale veiny look is vvv fashionable, doncha know?

Gobbledigook · 05/03/2005 10:00

AHhhh, forgot you were back in Wales! Enjoy your walk - think we'll do Tatton later for a walk and play for the kids.

Right, time for a shower - it's 10am already, oh the shame! We've got guests too and they are all dressed

Speak to you later!

sarahplus2 · 05/03/2005 10:04

hi WOW what a thread! this is just an idea on where to bf without people gawping. PONCHOS. i discovered this with my dd2,i was in a pub garden and she was about 2 months old and demanded nosh there and then as they do, by the time id arranged her underneath the poncho all you could see was a little foot! wonderful !

moondog · 05/03/2005 10:10

Yes sp2, but IMO, sometimes by trying to hide, one actually draws attention to the fact!
Ponchos would be good though, especially as everyone is into them (might dig out my mum's fab retro crochet one circa 1966!)

misdee · 05/03/2005 10:12

my mum has offered me some ponchos, part of me thinks 'noooooooooooooooo' as am not a poncho type person, but they may come in handy.

kaansmum · 05/03/2005 10:14

Mogwai, I have to say I felt just like you and held your opinions and had no plans to BF DS while pregnant with him. He was born around midnight and as soon as he was born he had a formula feed (because I had an emergency cs and was shaking uncontrollaby afterwards). Then, by about 4pm later that day back on the pn ward, - don't know what it was, maybe it was hormones - but I felt this overwhelming need to BF because I sort of felt sorry for DS who seemed so vulnerable. It's unexplainable and it must have been totally instinct driven but I just knew I was not giong to be happy until I'd done it.

As it was it didn't go at all well - by the time we were discharged he'd lost a lot of weight (more than the average loss)and the guilt I felt at having effectively starved him was absolutely crushing. I developed an abcess on one of my nipples (horrendously painful and needed to be treated by antibiotics) but I persevered once home with no help or support from community midwives despite many calls to them.

I expressed all my colostrum but that was DSs lot! He went on to the bottle and just thrived. DH took an active part in caring for him and got the opportunity to spend real quality bonding time with DS. He woked odd hours at that time and always did his night feeds while I was asleep in bed - what a fantastic luxury! He did not have to play second fiddle to me while DS was crying after me because he could smell the breast milk!!

Other family memebers also got a chance to bond with DS too - which was also very important to us. I'd also point out that with bottle feeding siblings get a chance to get involved in feeding and bonding too - not something they can do with BFding unless milk is exclusively expressed which is not practical.

I actually think that bottlefeeding is better for bonding - at least you can have eye contact with your baby when you bottle feed it - most BF babies seem to me totally smothered by their mother's breasts - I also think it can cause problems with very young siblings because if a mother if constantly BFding it can look to them as if their sibling is being constantly cuddled - explain it to them as much as you like they'll still perceive it that way.

I'm so glad I decided to bottle feed. DS is now 4 and a half, we are extremely close, he is ill I believe no more or no less than his BF peers, he is not overweight and he is doing fantastically well in his first year at school.

I feel vindicated in my choice to "deny him species specific milk" and I'd do it again without hesitation if I had plans to have another child (which I don't) - unless of course my hormones kicked in as they did before!!

moondog · 05/03/2005 10:15

Keep your boobs warm misdee!!!
Was in Istanbul two weeks ago where (bizarrely it was FREEZING!!!) Fed ds after being out for a few hours. My tits felt as if they were frozen solid. So painful i thought I was going to faint.
Dh helped to warm me up though.

sarahplus2 · 05/03/2005 10:17

i think if you actually sort of ignore the guzzling little bub, people just dont expect you to be doing it and noone realises...does that make sense?

moondog · 05/03/2005 10:19

Kaansmum...interesting experience. Rather surprised at your bottle feeding being better for bonding theory though!!
Respecting, listening, empathising, yes..just surprised!!
Fascinating the way we come at the same thing from different angles.

mogwai · 05/03/2005 12:17

Who's going to Tatton? Bloomng heck you're all closer than I thought! I'm in Cheshire. Lost this thread for a couple of hours as went to John Lewis at Cheadle. Yes Moondog, tI'm expecting and this is my first baby.

I was interested in the thing you were sayng about how your instincts kicked in when he was born and you wanted to have a go at breastfeeding. I'm open minded and know this might well happen. I remember going to one of those evenings of classical music at Tatton Park and my one of my friends insisting she would never breastfeed (she was 7 months pregnant), then when he was born, wham, and she's still feeding him now (he's 17 months old). Because of her experience, I'm aware I might change my mind when I have the baby, but that would be heart over head. The head still wants to bottle feed and head usually wins!!

mogwai · 05/03/2005 12:20

And as for ponchos....well I don't want to fall victim to fashion, which is why I'm not buying one of those sodding bugaboo prams. I saw 7 identikit mothers wheeling them around John Lewis on Wednesday evening (it was 6pm, the store was quiet, so that's a very high proportion of Bugaboos!!).

They look prety nifty, but no, no I will not give in!

moondog · 05/03/2005 13:17

Gdg, thinking about what you said (I do have a real life honest...)
I noted your work analogy last time as I'm sure did loads of others. But...difference is surely that people cannot often choose whether to work/stay at home. The choice is often made for them by financial constraints. I know loads of women who would like to spend longer at home with their kids but can't.
You can however choose to breastfeed (if only for a few months.)

Can't help but feel a bid at the thought of kaansmum's ba by 'crying after me because he can smell the breast milk'.....

Mogwai, bloke in a posh shop in Brighton told me last march that Bugaboos are 'crap'. I was banging on about its ability to be pulled on two wheels when my sister gave me a reality check by asking when I would EVER need to drag one along in this fashion. Hmmmm. Quite!
Bought an E3 instead which has been great. I really do need the rugged one living as I do in the mountains of Eastern Turkey!!

Good luck with the baby. Enjoy the peace while it lasts.

moondog · 05/03/2005 13:22

Gdg, one more thing. Read your account of b/feeding your first ds. I was terribly depressed and down with dd, as b/feeding was a real struggle for ages. Have an idea how low one can sink, I really do!
I think it's great that you've managed to put it all behind you. (Does that sound patronising??!! Really not meant to be...)
We need to stop feeling guilty don't we??
The point maybe is for their to be loads of support available for one at that low point. Some might bring breastfeeding to an end (hesitate to say 'give up'..so emotive) anyway, but others may rally and come through (like I did.)

I don't believe you can MAKE people do what they don't in their hearts want to do.

mogwai · 05/03/2005 13:35

Good call Moondog.

Well, on the subject of working, to be honest, I think we all have high expectations of our standard of living. I personally want to go back to work because it took me a long time to get to the point I'm at in my career, but also because we'd have to take quite a drop in our standard of living if I didn't. If I was utterly selfless we could sell up and move to a smaller house, have fewer holidays and eat fewer pine nuts!

Point is, it's just not going to happen, and many people are making the same decision. Pine nuts are very expensive these days.....

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