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We need to change the conversation around breastfeeding

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pisces5891 · 18/10/2026 21:28

I am writing this post knowing that it will potentially kick off a bit of hornet's nest. I'm just really fed up with how much pressure there is on women to breastfeed, when all the evidence suggests that a significant number of women simply cannot exclusively breastfeed. I would even hazaard a guess that more than 50% of women cannot exclusively breastfeed. Its making women miserable and is the number one cause of post natal depression. Enough!!!

When I tried to breastfeed, I had real trouble providing enough supply for my baby. I was told that with the right support, almost every woman can breastfeed. I received help from 3 different lactation consultants. the first told me, less than 5% of women have actual low supply, and if low supply was really true of a lot of women, then the human race would have died out. This is objectively speaking totally false. Historically, women would share feeding of babies with other lactating women, and even then, lots of babies died. So the fact that the human race still exists is absolutely not evidence that the majority of women have enough supply. the second lactation consultant told me that if there was no formula, I would have found a way to exclusively breastfeed. this is also not true. My mother grew up in a tiny village overseast, where there was no access to formula. And she told me that it was rare that one woman would exclusively feed their own child, it was normal that it would be shared amongst the group and in the case that there were not enough other lactating women, they would put the baby at the teet of a goat in order to feed it because it was understood that it would be rare that a mother could exclusively feed her child from her breast. In my nct group, there are 10 women. One chose to formula feed from birth. The other 9 all wanted to exclusively breastfeed. only 2 of them are. and every single one of those 9 had the support of private lactation consultants, so we cannot say they are unsupported. A variety of issues from latch to supply to mastitis- so many problems that we all tried desperately to resolve, and we couldnt.

The third lactation consultant actually watched and listened to me breastfeeding and told me that my baby was not transferring enough milk. She was the only one of the 3 lactation consultants who had actually worked in a nicu ward and was able to recognise the signs of hunger. my baby thankfully was not starving but had I listened to the first 2 Lactation consultants, I think she would have been . This lactation consultant told me that it is very common on the Nicu ward to find very thin very hungry babies of mother's who are desperate to exclusively breastfeed, the babies are literally starving, drawn, crying and lethargic, because they are not being fed enough.

mixed feeding needs to be a system that is properly introduced to mothers. Mother's need to also be shown what an actual wet nappy looks like. I was told 6 to 8 wet nappies were a sign that my baby was getting enough food. Now that she is getting enough food because she's mixed fed, I can see what an actual wet nappy looks like, and it's really heavy compared to what it looked like when I was breastfeeding her.

I think this is a real issue and mumsnet is partly to blame for it, because the amount of threads I see where someone posts that they're struggling with breastfeeding, and they're told to keep going even when their baby is dropping centiles. It's the latch! It's tongue tie! Try an osteopath! Breastfed babies always lose weight! Its ok to drop centiles! You'll get there! It gets easier! Please PLEASE stop advising women to keep going no matter what, because in some instances, those women and there babies will end up in emergency care. Of course, many breastfeeding problems can be overcome with the right support, but in my experience, it sometimes never resolves, and the absolutely right and moral thing to do is to introduce the bottle.

I'm not blaming women here; the fault is in the system. Breastfeeding needs to be properly researched, but like all womens health, it's ignored.

I am still breastfeeding my baby girl, we mix feed very successfully. For anyone reading this struggling with breastfeeding, know that you're not alone.

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OtterlyAstounding · 21/10/2026 13:10

HairsprayBabe · 21/10/2026 13:02

@OtterlyAstounding I feel like a lot of the "negative" BF comments I read/hear/see are purely mis-information.

Eg " i didn't want saggy boobs" - it is age and pregnancy that changes breast tissue, not breastfeeding

Very true - and not just misunderstanding, but also a distaste for natural human functions, and life stages. Particularly with the horror of the thought of breasts being softer or saggier, as though their primary purpose is to attract men instead of nourish children (and as if the average man actually cares how firm and high breasts sit on a naked woman in front of him).

I'm not a hippy-dippy sort, but there's such a massive disconnect these days from the fact that we're animals, with bodies that are designed to do things, not be purely ornamental.

HairsprayBabe · 21/10/2026 13:23

@OtterlyAstounding the whole thing is a neatly wrapped package of misogyny

You must be the perfect mother but also perfectly presentable and available for men to look at
You must breastfeed but get fucked if you want us to spend money on researching and supporting women's health
You must be ready to give your body back to the patriarchy as soon as possible so don't breastfeed one day past 12m

etc. on a personal level we cannot win, personal choice will always have its place but it is hard to encourage public health initiatives while still honouring bodily autonomy.

We at a population level should have as high levels of breastfeeding as possible, 70% is possible and has been seen in other HICs 80% of women start breastfeeding in this country - we should be supporting this beyond 6 weeks, not using breastfeeding as another stick to beat each other with.

Contentiousandemotive · 21/10/2026 13:35

I had no idea BF was going to be so hard. Probably the hardest thing I’ve ever done. NCT presented it in this lovely way, never mentioned the cluster feeding or how hard latching was. No one in my immediate family breastfed. I was completely unprepared. Maybe I’m an anomaly but I don’t think so.

I had a horrendous start with both of mine, in particular the second who was in NICU and I pumped and bottle fed for 3 weeks before reestablishing latch. I knew within a few days of my eldest being born that I could never celebrate it because from my NCT group, only 2/8 fed past a week and some of these women were absolutely bereft by not being able to feed their babies. Then I joined Mumsnet and I realised that a huge number of women are carrying the weight of breastfeeding not working out.

scoutzx · 21/10/2026 13:58

OtterlyAstounding · 21/10/2026 12:52

Oh, that sounds absolutely incredible!! What an experience!

It was wonderful!

HairsprayBabe · 21/10/2026 14:07

@Contentiousandemotive "Then I joined Mumsnet and I realised that a huge number of women are carrying the weight of breastfeeding not working out."

This is confirmation bias - you aren't going to see leigons of posts saying, im breastfeeding and it is wonderful. Not only is it smug and tone deaf but it is also boring and pointless.

A massive number of women do stop breastfeeding in this country before 6-8 weeks however as can be seen in other countries with better support this isn't what has to happen.

NCT sounds truly shit I am glad they don't have it in my scabby povvo town I have never heard anything good coming from their "education"

Contentiousandemotive · 21/10/2026 14:13

HairsprayBabe · 21/10/2026 14:07

@Contentiousandemotive "Then I joined Mumsnet and I realised that a huge number of women are carrying the weight of breastfeeding not working out."

This is confirmation bias - you aren't going to see leigons of posts saying, im breastfeeding and it is wonderful. Not only is it smug and tone deaf but it is also boring and pointless.

A massive number of women do stop breastfeeding in this country before 6-8 weeks however as can be seen in other countries with better support this isn't what has to happen.

NCT sounds truly shit I am glad they don't have it in my scabby povvo town I have never heard anything good coming from their "education"

I’m not reporting on a systematic review, I’m basing it on my experience. Not just on mumsnet but in real life too. As I said in my post, I myself hang back from saying stuff about BF because I don’t want to make people who’s journeys didn’t go as they wanted feel bad. I can’t be the only one doing that.

HairsprayBabe · 21/10/2026 14:27

@Contentiousandemotive oh I know confirmation bias is in everything we do as people, I meant it in a general colloquial way not the literal academic way.

I agree it is the same reason people don't like to discuss a positive birth or breezy first trimester. I had two really easy births, I'm not going to bring that up to someone who has just had a traumatic c-section. Just like someone who glows through pregnancy isn't going to tell me how wonderful it is in the depths of hyperemesis.

Our own anecdotes definitely colour our opinions too - I know a bunch of BF mums, a few had a bumpier start than others but they all went to a year. I know a bunch of FF mums and entirely they didn't want to BF and FF from day one. I know mums whop chose to mix feed from birth and from 6m (as in that was always the plan)

More balance would be great, you want to make people aware of the struggles without putting them off completely.

Ponderingwindow · 21/10/2026 14:42

I had excellent lactation support and they got us through some real barriers. The key was pumping and using an SNS. We didn’t need formula and bottles, we needed to put in the work and increase my supply. I say we because it took effort from my husband as well. He was sterilizing equipment around the clock in those early days. For the first 72 hours he had to stand behind me and push on a syringe every time the baby sucked. We got through it though.

women are failed by lack of support. The problem is that the support needed can be monumental.

HowNowBrownCow33 · 21/10/2026 20:28

The WHO/UNiCEF arent applying excessive pressure to breastfeed, they are a health organisation that advise whats best based on evidence, their advise has to be applicable all across the world, and they have about one small page on it. I dont think you can say the WHO should change their advice for a baseless statistic and some bullshit about NICU being full of starving babies (its not)

Again I feel its fairly obvious the natural birth movement will push breastfeeding, in the same way Aptimal pushes formula.

My experience of centile dropping was that literally no one pushed me to continue breastfeeding, and the other women I know who's babies have had difficulty feeding have all been advised to supplement with formula. I did continue EBF and my baby is absolutely fine. Everything that your saying women have been told was absolutely true for my baby. I dont think any woman is allowing their baby to starve before introducing the bottle but I do think that most problems with BF can be resolved (not all, 5% across the whole population is still a good number of women)

Most people I know that combi feed are doing in for lifestyle reasons, and the women who have been unable to establish breastfeeding have struggled because they or the baby were unwell post birth. But I see lots and lots of women who have established BF and are having no problems

GoodGirlFaith · 21/10/2026 20:38

I had a horrible time on the postnatal ward being bullied by 2 breast feeding obsessed ‘midwives.’ I will never forget it or forgive them for bullying me when I was so vulnerable.

I got home, told my lovely community midwife about it and said that I was still really trying to BF but struggling. She asked me if I was enjoying it, I said no, she said switch to FF. So I did and the relief was immense. She actually told me this particular bully of a midwife was well known for being extremely nasty. I’d be very surprised if she wasn’t eventually sacked (I hope she was).

Dc2 breastfed easily from the moment he arrived, to my surprise.

NDblackhole · 21/10/2026 21:39

I don’t know why people care so much what others are doing but my two pence is …BF my DS - no problems except he wouldn’t take a bottle which meant a lot of milk down the drain (plus felt suffocated which didn’t help with MH). My DD came - bleeding nipples within 36 hours…tongue tie - midwives told me there was no problem…she then dropped 17% birth weight and health visitor did a wrong calc so then hot footed it round when I called to query (tongue tie sorted by the
n)…I was told to mix feed - I ignored as knew she was getting enough, would get the hang of it/could feel the corner being turned, and thought she was just settling to her natural weight (plus had no idea what to do with mixed feeding)…I came from a place of experience and not being so anxious (compare to first time)….i think a lot of the problem is that the ‘experts’ don’t always know and woman aren’t prepared for what it can be like so it’s all a shock at an already emotional, anxious and tiring time. For example - my mum told me that for 3 months - cancel everything as you will just be sitting breastfeeding, so that’s what I did (think got used as a dummy) but given that was my expectation, it wasn’t such a shock. Watched a lot of series and actually was an alright time - what made it hard for me was the expectation to get out/fresh air/coffee ect - as then I felt stressed that I won’t have time to make sure they had enough.

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