was this a stupid thing to say?

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my cousins just had her third baby, baby is a week old, when talking to my mum after mum had been to visit, mum said the baby was going every three hours, and that she got to have a cuddle after the baby had been fed.

when mum said the baby was being bottlefed, i said oh thats a shame, mum got quite annoyed with me.
i would not of said that to my cousin or aunt or anything.
and now im wondering if i was out of order saying that.
please be honest, i won't mind if you say i was, i just thought it a shame

swmum - sometimes people do research with a closed mind, hoping to be confirmed in a particular view, though, and glad to hear that doesn't apply to you, and you are prepared to change your mind You may well remain sure that ff is better for your situation, but I hope you won't think there is any point in not believing the research.

Actually, I don't think people make choices based on 'being different' ie following their own chosen path. I think many people are bounced into making choices that are not solely theirs, but instead belong to the family, the culture and the expectations of people around them.

There's no denying that sometimes bf does not suit a particular person or family, fair enough.
There is also no doubt that ff has health risks when compared to bf. That is not my opinion, that is fact.

i was reading something the other day about formula production. I take it swmum that one reason you eat organic and use products without parabens and SLS is because you care about the environment. Do you have any idea of how polluting formula production is?

All that stuff stays in the food chain which we inevitably end up wearing on our skin, breathing in our lungs and absorbing through our guts.

It doesn't jsut go away. ahve to run.

Ok I literally just google infant feeding and formula and this came up.
Now I'm not saying for a minute that it is the only research worth looking at or that it confirms everything I think but I just thought it was interesting. Also barring in mind the children were also given banked breast milk - maybe their own mum's milk would have been differnt though.
Just thought it was funny that this should pop up.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7253304.stm

if you google "risks of artificial baby milk feeding latest evidence"

then you will access a recent (2007) summary of the most recent evidence

bearing in mind there are around 15,000 studies demonstrating the various benefits of bf, this is a managable place to start

I would be interested to see what you make of the 11 most recent studies

e.g. a baby who is not bf is five times more likely to be hospitalised with gastroenteritis (from a Dundee study 0f around 700 babies)

bf reduces the risk of contracting childhood leukemia

delayed attainment of gross motor milestones at 9 months in ff babies

bf reduces the risk of type 1 diabetes

ff increases the risk of adult obesity

Hmmmm.... the issue of very early preterm babies is a special one. It's a hard thing to say but nature never intended these very early babies to survive and so perhaps breastmilk hasn't yet evolved in the way it needs to to give them the very best chance of optimal development.

That said - you have to note that the ff group was compared only to babies fed with banked breastmilk - I can't believe that preterm babies fed on their own mothers milk weren't included as a comparison group...... (thinking about the fact that the babies fed on their own mothers milk would have received a specially tailored product which had not been heat-treated and which therefore had more bio-active elements in it).

Plus - you'd also have to weigh up the advantages a small increase in intelligence with the enriched formulas with the greatly increased risk of necrotising enterocolitis - which claims the lives of dozens of ff preterm babies every year.

pasteurising banked milk kills off the live cells in banked milk. I wonder why they didn't include preterm babies fed mothers milk.

The cost to the NHS in terms of increased Heathcare for formula fed babies is huge. The impact of mass formula feeding is only just being realised as people in that generation are aging.

Diabetes affects vision and can lead to blindness, it can also cause neuropathy, leading to loss of function in arms and legs, it can lead to amputations of those limbs should the limb be injured in some way. If a mother is diabetic there is an increased risk of stillbirth.

Obesity is not just being fat. It can lead to high blood pressure, heart disease, increased risk of strokes, loss of mobility and incontinence etc.. etc...

Absolutely devastating and life limiting chronic health problems.

I'm afraid you are doing your school ma'am act again Tiktok.

You know that I think you are utterly fabulous but I do object slightly to your self appointed role as keeper at the gates.

I won't apologise for my view that is is 'truly awful' to see a newborn baby with a bottle in its mouth. There are lots of very complicated reasons why a baby is bottle fed and I know how much some women have suffered and struggled. As you know, I do my best to be helpful on many occasions.

However I still feel that it is something very sad to see. You are always telling people Tiktok, that they feel what they feel, in particular with regards to issues around breastfeeding.

Well,I feel what I feel ok?

I come on here as an ordinary person with a passion for breastfeeding and some stronig views which I will express, whether we are talking handbags, blowjobs or breastfeeding.

I don't come on like you as a breastfeeding professional who never feers from the path of impartial and mmeasured advice. You are you and I am me and ne'er the twain shall meet.

But moondog, you know very well that the comment is hurtful.

Why would you want to hurt people? What purpose does it serve?

???

I don't want to hurt people.

I am just a stranger expressing an idle opinion on a chatboard with thousands of other people. FGS don't imbue my comment with any importance if it bothers you so!

Wave it away!!

But you know it's hurtful, and you say it anyway.

So, why do you want to hurt people?

I really thing we are talking at cross purposes.

Tell ya what,you decide why.

a nasty intended to hurt comment (you know the impact it will have)

had you said "i hate to see a baby with a cigarette in its mouth" we would all nod sagely and agree

but a bottle- none of your business

wave that away

Also I think you are missing the fact that us ff mums are responsible for world debt, and the war in Iraq, just thought I would add that seen as we are responsible for every disease known to man, that I am pretty sure were around before the cursed bottle was ever invented.

I am leaving now as I have to make plans for my demise.

I will no doubt have to care for my diseased ridden body in my old age, as my mum didnt bf me, although it will be hard as I will be blind and only have one arm and leg as they have been amputated, but I will have my obese body to keep me warm at night, and the fact that I am incontinent will also be a warm reminder of my mothers failing's, oh the joy!!

Nothing wrong with thinking it Moondog - but not absolutely necessary to voice it in quite a way as to upset people...?

Disappointed in you cola - you had been fairly measured up to now - gone off your rocker with that last post

ime only on MumsNet do folk get in a lather about how someone else feeds.in RL no one (other than HCP) asked me mode of feeding only general how's it going

Oh and how would you like me to reply to I have sentenced my children to a possibly short miserable life?

scottishmummy, what about all the breastfeeding supporters/BF consultants who all work (on a voluntary basis) to support women who wish to bf?

"only on MumsNet do folk get in a lather about how someone else feeds"

No - I think you'll find that whereever there are people who are closely involved in working with mothers and babies, who are aware of the most up to date research into the health issues surrounding infant feeding, that there's deep concern expressed about the fact that so few babies in this country get breastfed for more than a few weeks.

The problem is scottishmummy - that so many people only seem to focus on the feelings of mothers when looking at this subject. So it's all about people being judged for their mothering skills, or being made to feel guilty or inadequate. That's all the talk revolves around. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that women's feelings should in anyway be disregarded or trivialised- far from it, but it's wrong not to also give equal weight to the fact that this is also about hard health issues for babies and children. You have to aknowlege it surely? It's NOT just about 'happy mummy = happy baby'.

Noone is necessarily saying that cola but you can't get away from fact.
ff is less beneficial. Not for all babies or all mothers or in all cases but overall, tis the truth.
Doesn't mean I don't respect your right to feed in whatever way to need to/choose to.