when i had my last baby a year ago, i honestly thught formula was almost as good as breastmilk

[codhotbod]

didn't realise there was all these risks involved in giving formula, if i had i would of percivered more with the bf.

i bet theeres lots of women that think formulas almost as good.

LilDigger: This is your first post on MN if, that is, you haven't namechanged specifically for this thread. That in itself says volumes to people who know this forum well.

I don't know Sabire at all with the exception of what I have seen her write on this forum. The content and tone of her posts over the past few months have already said a lot more about her than you have said in your one post so far.

The content of your single post has said more about you than it has said about Sabire.

I think you should go and reflect on this: Whenever you stand up and point one finger at another person, there are three other fingers pointing back at yourself.

have a good weekend.

lildigger - I laughed like mad when I saw that had been picked on (the 666). I picked those numbers at random. Maybe it was a freudian slip!

Only someone who is completely insane would call my posts on the bottlefeeding board 'harrassment'. It's not harrasment to give relevant factual information in response to a question.

I've never made personal attacks on anyone. I never told anyone they 'didn't try hard enough'. We've gone over and over the car seat thing and dealt with it - a long time ago. We were talking about the issue of how people perceive risk when it comes to their babies. I was using that as an analogy to make a point about risk. I didn't say it was 'akin' to anything.

People on this board are well aware of the way in which I post and my values. They'll see your comments for what they are.

Wanted to add - that 90% of the posts on thread (to which I have only contributed a few comments) fall into the category of things you would be abused for saying on Bounty.

I don't read the bounty board, so can't speak from direct experience, but Sabire has never made an attack on anyone on mumsnet, and her explanation of the car seat thing rings true with me - I would be very surprised if her behaviour was different on a different forum.

It is certainly the case that factual discussion of risks of formula is perceived as an attack on formula feeders and it's a hugely sensitive area - but it doesn't change the facts!

Sorry to hijack, but TIKTOK could you email me please? [email protected]

Thanks

Tiktok - the only person who was attacked was me. I wish I'd kept copies of some of the posts. Some of it was breathtakingly nasty and personal. Obscene language was used - ugly references to breastfeeding and to my breasts.

I've never seen anything like it on mumsnet.

Sabire, Sadly some mothers would rather stick their head in the sand than discuss the risks of formula feeding, sounds like a case of 'if I can't hear it, it doesn't exist' type of thinking.

I enjoy reading your well thought out and balanced posts on this board, Bounty's loss is our gain.

Thanks BabiesEverywhere

Actually tbh - I did feel guilty sometimes that I was making what were (in real life) probably perfectly decent people so cross, but it was really hard to let it go when I knew that I was right, and that they were wrong. I wouldn't have kept posting if there'd been one other person on that board who backed up even part of what I was saying.

Ilanak, done it, should be in your inbox now.

Sabire , Different forums seem to collect different type of people, not bad people just very different.

Mumsnet is full of opinionated people who like to discuss a wide range of topics without being over moderated. Which is why Mumsnet is careful who advertises with them and they are very hands off with posters, let the board self moderate on the whole.

Then we have Bounty who is strongly moderated and sponsered by Nestle's (or was at one time, not sure if it is ongoing) and full of posters who are collecting together in groups to agree with each other.

You are never going to educate those who don't desire to learn more but good on you for trying. I have posted a couple of times on Bounty and it really if a different world

Back to the OP.

That's what the formula companies want us to think.

I think I am right in thinking that about 70% of Mumsnet users are educated to degree level. Therefore most of us should be able to wean fact from fiction and truth from myth and yet as we have seen on threads about feeding there is still disbeliefs and myths about breastfeeding and bottle feeding.

So I think the time has come where as a group of well educated women responsible for the next generation that we should really be at the forefront of ensuring that all women have the facts about feeding our babies.

We need to ensure that there is support and practical help in hospital and the community to breastfeed so that women have the choice to breastfeed. I don't think this is happening right now.

What do others think?

I'd commit hara kiri before I join Bounty.
No offence to the nice Bounty mums as I am sure some of them must be. The ads and censorship alone would send me postal.

What a crappy post Poohbah.

Now I realise why I stay away from breast v bottle threads

oh, thanks. i will add that to my birth plan too!

DWP, are you going through a phase where you think it is essential to come onto a thread, say absolutely nothing in the content of your post except to deride?

If you don't like it, just [roll eyes] and click away. that's what most people would do, i believe.

I just thought it was a bit shitty to suggest that only degree educated mothers know the facts, or are able to understand them.

kazbeth, you can't possibly undo the good you do with breastfeeding. I'd say that it was basically impossible, no matter how hard you tried!

The main prob that it would have as far as I can think (on this fuzzy million feeds last night brain) is that it may have affected your supply. But every woman is different and for you it may have made no difference to your supply at all.

Was the thrush ongoing? Did anyone ever talk about vasospasm to you? Keep it in mind and if the pain comes again next time, it might be worth asking about. La Leche League are great people to contact about this

"I think I am right in thinking that about 70% of Mumsnet users are educated to degree level. Therefore most of us should be able to wean fact from fiction "

How on earth does that imply only degree educated mothers understand the facts.

If she'd said "these are brain surgeons, you'd expect them to be able to make a cup of tea" it would be the same principal, more extreme.

The Devil wears Primark. You misunderstood my point. I am not saying that people with less education cannot make informed decisions.

What I am saying is that at degree educated level one should really be able to take a research paper on an issue, for example, bottle feeding linked to obesity. Critique it, realise the value of that research and come to a valid conclusion on the worth of that research.

As Cod points out she didn't realise there were any risks in giving formula. The National Institute for Clinical Evidence (Nice) has reviewed all the research and there are clear risks to a childs health if formula is given.

Now if I couldn't read, could only read badly, didn't have access to this information, was in awe or felt hurried by health professionals or didn't have access to the internet. I may well appreciate someone explain the risks to me.

Wouldn't you?? Don't you think that everyone deserves to know the risks?

i am educated to post grad level and yet it never occurred to me to look beyond the words on the tin of formula and look into why 'breast is best'.. why should it? surely for something as important as infant nutrition, the manafacturers would not seek to lie or mislead consumers ? i wish i had know then what i know now.