Breastfeeding is not best - Dr Karleen Gribble

[fabsmum]

Love this video

here

Whoops!

That is fab.

Absolutely - really alarming about what happened to the newborns in New Orleans!
Those doctors have a lot to answer for - those babies were put at risk unnecessarily

that's very interesting. I've just forwarded it to my midwife.

Interesting lecture. The newborns in New Orleans bit, isn't it similar to premature babies in neo-natal units.

I understand that midwives ask new mums of premature babies to express even if they didn't intend on breastfeeding. Most mothers do, however some mothers refuse, even though to do it would reduces some health risks for their child. I wonder how this information is put across ?

wow perhaps that should be shown to mothers before they deside which way to feed their baby, as everyone else I know thinks that I am strange because I breastfeed my boys!

How interesting. I'd never really thought of it that way - that saying breast is best in some way has the subtext "but formula is good enough".
It is so depressing that there seems to have been no progress made in normalising what is a very normal thing; breastfeeding.

She's good!

Is she good?

didn't find her very compelling myself.
Plus I get so annoyed when meaningless statistics are trotted out - like her saying that non breast fed school leavers are more likely to have the beginings of type 2 diabetes.
A 16 year old with type 2 diabetes will have a poor diet, be obese and probably live off fast food and never exercise - absolutely nothing to do with breastfeeding. Everything to do with lifestyle.

With respect, the statistics that she quoted are NOT meaningless.

There's good quality research showing that lack of breastfeeding is connected with diabetes - both type 1 and type 2 - even when other factors are taken into account.

She's a researcher herself - you'd expect her to be aware of how confounding factors such as poor diet and lack of exercise can impact on the findings of studies into the links between diabetes and artificial feeding.

If you don't mind me saying, I think if you were more familiar with the research into this subject (as many mumsnetters on this board are), you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the points she makes in her speech.

why would saying breast is not best be a good thing

haven't watched vid, I hope I'm missing something that will become clear when I do

its because its not best it should be the norm, its not saying that it isnt the best way, just that it should be seen as the normal way rather than formula being the norm but breast being best iyswim!

very interesting,

I must say that I definitely fall into the camp of thinking that breastfeeding is optimum and formula feeding is normal, might have to rethink that one.....

"lack of bf is connected with Diabetes" - that's interesting because my uncle, who was born in 1910, was bf but according to my aunt who was only 2 years older, couldn't keep it down so my grandmother used to supplement with a teaspoon of brandy! (Sounded like projectile vomiting to me). Uncle was a sickly child and developed Type 1 Diabetes when he was 24. He lived to be 73 though.

btw Canadianmum, I have always thought bf is normal and ff is secondbest. That any one thinks what you think is the triumph of marketing over the obvious.

Fabsmum - I don't dismiss the points she makes in her speech. Just the one I singled out, which I still say is bollocks. Sorry.

"Just the one I singled out, which I still say is bollocks. Sorry"

Why?

If how you're fed in infancy can result in measurable differences in blood pressure in adolescence and adulthood why is it beyond the pale that it might affect the body's ability to metabolise glucose as well?

In any case, it's long been accepted that there are links between artificial feeding and higher rates of child and adolescent obesity, and obesity is a very important factor in relation to type 2 diabetes. If there is a link between formula feeding and childhood and adolescent obesity, logically you'd expect there also to be a causal relationship with diabetes too!

Nancy, read the literature, and then come back and argue properly, instead of trotting out meaningless rebuttals to the information.

It's not remotely controversial to note the link between formula feeding and the development of type 1 and type 2 diabetes - the risks have been well-known for at least 20 years and have been confirmed many times in subsequent research.

Clearly, it's not the sole cause of the development of diabetes, and in some individuals there will be no link at all, but the risks are accepted and are easily ascertained if you are interested - just google if you want to know more.

omg its tiktok

tiktok you are my hero!

Just tellin' it like it is....

No - it's to do with the immune system, as far as I recall. If you google or do a PubMed search, you'll find a lot of research on this.

Tiktok , would you mind linking, becasue I can find very little. I found lots of info on why type 1DM mums should bf, but litttle about the bf and developing type 1 or 2.
I did find t his article that says that the :
"the assocaitions described have been weak" - which seems the complete opposite of what you are saying:
bfDM1

This one too says "findings are weak":
bfdiabetes