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Mighty oaks from little acorns grow - slow weight gain support thread

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FireworksScareMossyPets · 03/11/2007 16:57

Thread for those of us whose los are:

  • Healthy
  • Meeting developmental milestones
  • Producing plenty of soaking wet nappies
  • Producing several pooey nappies (quantity varies after first six weeks or so)
  • Gaining weight...

but just much more slowly than the centile charts tell us they should.

This is a thread for help, support and understanding from other Mums who have "been there, done that".

It's where we can share links, share our stories and what if anything we have done to help our lo's weight gain - or whether we've just ditched the scales and looked at the baby.

However, we also don't want to lull other Mums into a false sense of security; if your lo is not meeting the criteria at the top then it is best to get help from a breastfeeding counsellor (or general infant feeding specialist - not all slow gaining babies are breastfed) or supportive health care professional.

Mossy xx

OP posts:
Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 09/01/2008 11:32

VLC - good luck today. ecg and SATs test will hopefully put your mind at rest re dd's heart. There's no reason he can't do both there and then for you. I'll be thinking of you.

verylittlecarrot · 09/01/2008 11:45

Thanks!

I'll update later.

ReverseThePolarity · 09/01/2008 12:30

VLC, Nicki @ Whiston wanted me to wish you luck at the paed today (she was asking about you the other day) from her.

verylittlecarrot · 09/01/2008 17:44

So.

Could've been worse, could've been better.

The paed was a kindly, soft spoken chap, who looked her over. I made the poor child perform like a monkey (look, she stands up! look, she giggles! see how alert!) and he said that, whilst very skinny, there was nothing obviously wrong - she looked well.

And we talked about the unlikely causes, he thinks her heart is fine, no sign of a murmur or any problems such as breathlessness. Didn't mention need for ecg or sats. Thinks thyroid problems are very rare and unlikely, but he will test anyway. Wants wee and poo samples, but thinks absorption problems unlikely as no diarrhoea. Checking for infections, anaemia, vitamin deficiencies etc.

And yet, he keeps focussing on the breastfeeding. The infant feeding specialist had clearly brought him up to speed on my feelings regarding formula! He was sensitive and encouraged me to continue bfeeding. So far so good...

He suggested that dd just has a tiny appetite, and has got used to only taking small amounts because her tummy is tiny. Like being on a diet. She perhaps can't deal with more volume. I have explained that she feeds quite frequently, every 1-2 hours during the day, more frequently in the evenings and several times in the night.

But.

Then he started to talk about it being OK not to wait till 26 weeks to introduce solid food. I could wean now if I wanted. And had I considered babyrice?

My heart sank.

And I hesitantly began to explain that I really wanted to wait a couple more weeks, especially since she was born 3 weeks early. And that I believed that babyrice had far less nutritional value and calories than breastmilk. In fact almost all early weaning foods had less calories. And that solids tended to replace comparative volumes of milk feeds so I was concerned that if I shovelled baby rice into her it would decrease her calories. And had he...perhaps...

...heard of baby led weaning?

So I stumblingly tried to do a precis of BLW for him. (I was appallingly incoherent) And I asked him to speak to the infant feeding co-ordinator who knew all about it and recommended it. Gave him the references of Gill Rapley and Unicef. Apologised for sounding like a know-it-all self researching pain in the bum mum. Offered to start expressing again to add to her intake (not that that has ever made any difference and is almost impossible for me to manage).

And watched his kindly smile as he probably thought - God, woman, just be normal, for goodness sake, and get some proper baby food into that skinny child. What is wrong with you, you hippy idiot?

And he says sometimes babies prefer the blandness of baby rice to strong flavours. He asked questions about how babies managed to get the food into themselves with BLW. And I said, er, you kind of have to not worry too much, it's about tastes and experience at first. Milk is the important thing to keep up with. The main part of their diet for their first year.

But if she's not taking enough milk, what then?

And I don't know. Because if I can't get "enough" milk into my baby I have no idea how I would get food into her. So he says we could supplement with ?powders? that were ?like sugars but not very sweet? to increase calories rather than volume. I?m pretty sure we are talking cow?s milk derived, which I could live with after she?s weaned, I suppose.

We agreed another appointment in 6 weeks, and they took her blood - horrid - (I cried like an idiot).

I was feeling very uneasy about how I had ended up drawn into a conversation about nutrition with this lovely but not terribly well read chap and could see that he was concluding that the problem MUST be - Not Enough Milk Into Baby. And there was this worrying thing he said about how if she continued to be such a slow gainer that it could affect her brain development in time. Which I already KNEW but now the words were floating above our heads in that tiny room. Tick tock tick tock - get food into baby quickly. And he waved the weight chart at me, where her little dot sits miles underneath the bottom centile. Although her head circumference and length look fine still.

And I just managed to ask him before he went - would it be acceptable with him, if, provided all the nasty medical things we were checking for were not a problem, would it be OK for me to get my nutritional advice from the infant feeding co-ordinators and dieticians? Instead of via paediatrics? And he said yep. Great, thanks says I. Doctor, just finally, can I suggest tentatively; is there any chance at all that her weight gain is ?normal for her?? And he says Hmmm. She is very small though. Which I think was his way of saying ? nope, no way could a baby this small be normal. She?s too skinny.

Still, hopefully I by going on to the infant feeding co-ordinators I still have a chance of getting feeding advice that won't go against all my instincts and everything I have read up on.

So now, we await results of tests, I go back at the end of February, hopefully BLW will allow me to truthfully say that she?s eating some ?normal food? and we can carry on breastfeeding.

God I need some cake now. And a drink. As I?m sure you all do, if you got to the end of this post!

Thanks everyone for well wishes!!!!

AngeG · 09/01/2008 17:55

RVP - Izzy apart from ear infection is just fine, pooing/weeing normally, sleeping well, active etc. No worries about her at the moment and she's growing out of clothes, so that's a good sign!

VLC - Sounds like a reasonable appointment! Glad he was sympathetic and reasonable. How are you feeling after it?

RustyBear · 09/01/2008 17:56

"And there was this worrying thing he said about how if she continued to be such a slow gainer that it could affect her brain development in time."

Yes, I was told this about DS - 20 years later,after a grammar school place and AAB at A level he's in his 2nd year at Warwick University.

He is still physically small for his age, but I don't think his brain development was affected in the slightest.

AngeG · 09/01/2008 17:58

Well said RB! Surely it's only going to affect brain if there is nutritional problems, not just small problems. My parents were told similar things about me, I am 4ft 11, I'm pretty sure my brain has not been affected

verylittlecarrot · 09/01/2008 18:16

Thanks - good to hear that!

It was a reasonable appointment, and he was a nice chap, really.

I seem to do so much stuff that is NOT the norm; co-sleep, carry her in a sling most of the time, feed on demand THIS frequently at this age, feed all through the night, want to wait till 26 weeks to wean - and then BLW.

I mean, it's all normal on mnet, but considered well and truly bonkers in RL.

He asked me if she rolls over. And I'm thinking, just how much craziness do you want me to confess to you? Because this baby hates being put down, so she doesn't get a lot of opportunity to roll around!

I managed to NOT tell him that we co-sleep, thank God. And he probably didn't clock the sling.

I think the formula aversion, taking domperidone (which I don't think he'd heard of), waiting 26 weeks and the BLW thing was enough for me to be considered a hairy toed card carrying lentil weaver.

I can't believe I don't have cake in the house. I really need to compfort eat now.

laksa · 09/01/2008 18:34

hi guys, can I join the club? My daughter is 14 1/2 weeks old and weighs 11lb 10 oz. She was born on the 50th percentile (7lb 130z) and has now dropped to about the 9th. I know she is not as skinny as baby carrot but we seem to have similar things in common ie the frequent breast feedings and topping up doesn't change anything (actually she refuses topups which indicates that she is full doesn't it). She is much skinnier than all the other babies of her age. I thought that she might have had silent reflux as she only feeds for about 7 mins at a time and thought she might have been in pain but it appears that she just doesn't have a big appetite, I too worry about brain development although just like baby carrot, she seems alert and active, maybe too active

She is not that long as her 0-3 month babygros still fit just about and her 3-6 month ones are a little too baggy and long in the leg, is this normal?

She never loses weight but just seems to gain very slowly ie anything from 2-5 oz each week. I just can't stand seeing her clothes all baggy on her and wonder why she doesn't get nice and chubby like all her peers. I keep doubting my milk supply but I know that if it was a case of me not producing enough then she would just take the other breast which she seldom does.

I wonder if she gets too much foremilk and then is too full to be bothered with drinking the hindmilk which is supposed to be more calorific?? This is the only explanation I can come up with.

I am waiting for her to drop off the 9th (I know this is about to happen) as the paediatrican said to take her back if she kept dropping down the charts and he would review her case.

I am sure we will all look back on this and smile when our babies grow up to be nobel prize winners/olympic athletes, but at the moment it is just so stressful isn't it.

xx

p.s. I am planning on babyled weaning too, it seems madness to wean early when 'adult' food is absorbed less well than milk. I think I would rather give formula topups than wean early.

laksa · 09/01/2008 18:47

oops forgot to say that have seen lactation specialist but have never had sore nipples and saw the paediatrician but he wasn't worried (thought maybe she was adjusting to her rightful weight/height...I am only 5ft1, he seemed to think that she was taking after her mother, but I was a right chubby chubbster at that age and my husband is 6ft 2 inch)

The health visitors keep telling me to top her up with formula as they are the only ones who shake their heads at each weigh in. I have solved this problem as have just ordered baby scales to use at home.

I just want to enjoy being a mother but this constant worry about weight each week is really getting me down

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 09/01/2008 18:51

VLC - glad it went OK - glad your mind is put at rest re the heart stuff. I don't know enough about metabolic or digestive stuff to comment really - I'm assuming the bloods will show up anything in that respect.

dd had the fortifiers. She had Maxijul and Calogen - I have to admit to knowing next to nothing about what they are derived from - my head was in the shed at the time and it was all too serious to even worry about that. I do know that calogen was at one time peanut oil I believe but is no longer. dd needed them and they worked but TBH if the paed thinks she's 'just small' they maybe unnecessary; you'd have to express, get her to take a bottle and all that malarky and you'd probably be swapping one lot of stress for another.

Here's hoping the bloods come back clear, that you can get to 26 weeks and weaning helps relieve the anxiety. Take care. x

blueshoes · 09/01/2008 19:44

Hi, I am not really qualified to join this thread as dd is now 4.

Just read your post laksa and it struck a chord. Dd was born just over 5 lb at birth. And was consistently below the charts (0.4th centile). She gained weight steadily but in tiny increments and stayed on the same line throughout her first year and beyond.

I am five feet and dh is 6 ft. Dd looks like she is taking after me physiologically, very petite. Even at 4, she still fits into 2-3 yr clothes, but otherwise developmentally everything you would expect from an active 4 year old . I guess from your name that you are from SE Asia? I am Singaporean Chinese, Dh is British.

Dd was born with a heart problem (big hole-in-her-heart) and the HV put her slow weight gain under a microscope. I saw pediaticians, dietician, speech and language therapist (to check if there were physical issues with her bf-ing), put her on specially prescribed fortified formula Infantrini, weaned her early on rich food. Her weight stayed stubbornly on the 0.4th centile, even after her hole-in-heart was surgically repaired at 4 months and she was thereafter normal in health.

Her first year was incredibly stressful. Particularly since my dd rejected the bottle (I gave up forcing her when she was 5 months) and was a very poor eater. Her bf-ing style is little and often. She is still a little dolly and I suspect will always be . Healthy as an ox. If I had to do it again, I would just exclusively bf her and stop weighing her (after her heart was fixed).

BTW, ds (1 year old) is more normal (50th centile). And he is the right size clothes for his age. I am so not used to having to buy clothes all the time due to ds outgrowing them! Dd's clothes last her forever.

RustyBear · 09/01/2008 19:46

Well DS is 20 & DD almost 18, and it didn't stop me jumping in feet first, blueshoes ....

policywonk · 09/01/2008 19:49

Hello ladies (and possibly men) - can anyone offer some advice to the OP on this thread? She's worried about her baby's weight gain and none of us who have posted know much about it.

laksa · 09/01/2008 20:19

hi blueshoes,

My mum is singaporean but eurasian and my dad is english. I am small in stature but not that thin ie size 10. If I was a lovely slinky thing then I would probably worry less but my daughter takes after her father in looks and has blonde hair and blue eyes ( I took one look at her after I gave birth and said that someone must have switched my baby...dh said it wasn't possible as I gave birth at home )

She is similar to your daughter in that she refuses to take a bottle unless she hasn't eaten in hours which kind of defeats the purpose.

I guess I should be grateful that I am getting good use out of her 0-3 month babygros? Just wish the health visitors would stop scaring the pants of me, everytime I start relaxing,mainly due to the support from mumsnet telling me that there is more than one shade of normal, I get health visitors wagging fingers and bottles of formula at me.

When I hear stories like yours it makes me feel calm again, so thankyou.

Sorry VLC, didn't mean to hijack the thread. I hope the tests all come back clear...judging from your photos baby carrot looks like one beautiful,healthy,happy baby to me!

xx

verylittlecarrot · 09/01/2008 20:27

Hi Laksa, welcome!

I so know what you mean about just wanting to get on and enjoy things. I bought scales too! Be warned though, my dh has to weigh her in secret and tells me only if she has gained weight, as I still stress out over it all.

The babygro thing sounds fine, my dd is nearly 6 months, and her legs are like pipe cleaners in hers...

And I wouldn't worry about the foremilk / hindmilk thing, it's a bit of a red herring. You only produce one type of milk anyway. The more frequently you feed the higher in fat content your milk is at the beginning of each feed. It's explained really well here

The important thing is to let the baby feed as needed and offer the second breast just in case when the first is "finished".

Blueshoes / Rustybear/ Saggar:
I am VERY glad you are on the thread. I cling to the hope you give with your stories of how you've come out the other end of all this faff! I love to hear that your little (or big) ones are doing well now.

foxythesnowman · 09/01/2008 20:33

Hi Carrot and everyone else on this wonderful thread!

Just checking in to see how you are all doing. Haven't been on here for so long, but DD is getting bigger and I've stopped worrying, so I'm sending you all lots of chubbing up vibes (for the babies, obviously ).

She's not big, but she's perfect.

lulalullabye · 09/01/2008 20:36

VLC. Very interesting thread. Just starting the baby doesn't weigh enough trek. dd is 25wks old and has put on 1 lb in 8wks. She if ff from 4mths and constantly poos. Have been to one crappy gp who said it is normal for some lo's to poo 5 times in one night.

Saw hv today who suggested another gp and if no joy, she will refer to growth and development team at hospital.

She is also active, bright and reaching all her milestones. Everybody thinks she is younger than she is.

sparklygothkat · 09/01/2008 20:39

Hi all, although callum is now gaining weight (with help of some high energy formula) he is still having green stools and is pooing about 5 times a day. He is still BF, and at 16 weeks, weighes 9lb.

Sexonlegs · 09/01/2008 21:04

Hi Lulu. Sorry to ask, but what is the consistency/smell of your lo's poos? What formula is she on?

lulalullabye · 09/01/2008 21:07

she is on cow and gate, runny sometimes seedy, not overly smelly. we have sent a poo sample which was negative. Reg poos started when I gave up bf. Had a week of wysoy, which made absoloutly no difference to amount of poos, they just really stank ! So went back on to c&g.

Sexonlegs · 09/01/2008 21:09

And how much is she weighing Lulu?

lulalullabye · 09/01/2008 21:10

she now weighs 12 7lbs at 25 wks.

Eddas · 09/01/2008 21:11

SOL, you made me looking through 'last 15 minutes' and I see I post by you re poo

blueshoes · 09/01/2008 21:36

verylittlecarrot, thanks for the warm welcome.

I haven't read the whole thread just the latest, including yours about the visit to the pediatician. It seems to be me that unless he can find something specifically wrong with your dd (hope the heart issues are cleared up), talking to health professionals about what you are doing is inviting trouble. I almost laughed out loud when you went so far as to tell him about the attachment parenting things you do. I don't think these people are used to dealing with parents who ask intelligent questions to begin with (sorry, but my bro is an NHS doctor and he dumbs down a lot of times), so to hear about these new fangled techniques (like slings, co-sleeping and BLW) must make him think you are well and truly bonkers.

As you probably already know, pediatricians are good at finding out if something is medically wrong with your dd. They don't tend to be great at telling you how best to feed your dd. A dietician would actually know more. All I can say from my experience of the whole medical zoo is to just continue bf-ing for as long as you want, as often as your dd can take, do the BLW thing, and STOP telling your pediatrician so much about the feeding thing, lol. You know about the kellymom site - it is great.

You say your dd does not want to be put down. Sounds like mine. Dd was a high need baby ala Sears.

BTW, after the first year, after your little one starts walking, the focus shifts from weight to height. So since you say your dd is of normal length, well, it will be fine {smile].