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Infant feeding

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Bottle Feeding

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riab · 06/11/2006 10:57

In support of parents who bottle feed their child.

Why do Parents bottle feed?
Every Parent should have a choice of how they wish to feed their baby, however there are some circumstances in which parents unfortunately do not have a choice.
Lets look at some of the reasons why you might be bottle-feeding;
The natural mother of the child is not present because;
you are adoptive parents
you are a single dad
you are the grandparents of the child
You are a gay couple
Obviously in any of these cases breastfeeding is not possible. There are however a few couples who have successfully managed to breastfeed adopted babies - this is usually possible if you are already nursing one child.

The natural mother of the child is ill;
HIV
Cancer
Any illness which depletes the immune system or involves weakness/loss of weight/appetite or prolonged hospital stays
Apart from HIV there is no risk to your baby from breastfeeding when you are ill, however lets look at the risks and benefits to all members of the family. It is important to ensure that you have enough rest and food at all times in your life but especially after having a new baby. If you are ill this becomes even more vital in order for you to have a full recovery. Struggling to breastfeed whilst being ill and possibly having to bring a baby back into hospital with you in order to do so may not be the best option for you and your family.

You find the idea emotionally or mentally difficult to cope with
Some women find the idea of breastfeeding a very difficult one. This can be because of prior sexual abuse, a bad pregnancy and labour or simply because for some women their breasts feel very personal and the idea of using them to feed is not pleasant one.
Counselling can help to overcome these feelings. HOWEVER, after the birth is NOT the time to begin this counselling process. You are tired and emotional and coping with a period of enormous change. This is never a good time to undergo deep therapy.
It will take time to deal with the issues in an appropriate setting. If you want to breastfeed but feel that issues like these may interfere with your ability to do so successfully and enjoyably then please seek professional help before you get pregnant if at all possible.

It is painful
This is one of the most common reasons women chose to transfer to formula after attempting to breastfeed. Issues may be helped by a fully trained breastfeeding counsellor, however if you have been given assistance and you are still suffering pain/cracked nipples/ mastitis then bottle feeding may offer you and your baby a more enjoyable and manageable way of feeding Ongoing pain is not good for the mother, it will make feeding times difficult and something to dread rather than something to enjoy. Any pain or tension in the carer can communicate itself to the baby, it is far better for your baby to feel warm and loved and safe.

You do not produce enough milk
According to health experts this is rare, but the feeling and worry that you aren't producing enough milk can be very upsetting and tiring. If you are concerned then try expressing. It is also very very important to feed at least 8 times a day in the first few days. Many new babies are very sleepy and it is tempting to let them go longer between feeds but this can led to your milk supply not building up as quickly as possible.
Tiredness, stress and tension (from pain or misery) can also contribute towards a difficult feeding session. If your baby is losing weight or not putting weight on please talk to your health visitor.

The natural mother of the baby needs to return to work
It is possible to breastfeed while at work if your job allows for it and you have understanding employers, but some jobs are not that flexible. The commonly quoted example is that you can 'easily pop into the toilets or a quiet room at lunchtime and express/feed your baby' If the mother has an office job this may be easy but not every women works as an administrative assistant in a nice office.
Here are some examples of jobs in which you may find it difficult to breastfeed;
Jobs which require travel / overnight stays
High pressured jobs in which lunch is eaten at the desk or in meetings
Outdoor jobs where there are no private/sterile storage facilities
Physical or site based jobs
Any job where taking time out to deal with personal matters are frowned upon (whether expressing breast milk or sorting out your sick cat)
Aside from the constraints of the job itself some women feel that they want to give 100% to their job and needing special arrangements or taking time out to feed a baby is not how they want to conduct their working life.

Any of these might be reasons to formula feed, whatever your reasons are remember that Bottle feeding is a safe alternative for parents who are not able to or choose not to breastfeed.

GOOD LUCK

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krimbokrackerskayzed · 12/11/2006 22:15

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tiktok · 12/11/2006 22:55

For goodness sake, riab, the quote about 'hardly any reasons' was in response to a question to me from you about whether a midwife should share information or reasons about bf....I was answering your question.

Honestly, if you don't want people to talk to you online, don't post on a talk board.

Just open 'riab's blog' and block all comments from readers.

For what it's worth, I think for you to suggest we should not say that mothers have been known to overcome riab's official list of reasons not to breastfeed is a bit scarily censorious - wouldn't you agree? Especially when you asked a question about information!

riab · 13/11/2006 10:30

krimbokrackerskayzed i agree that it would be more hlepful in a way if there were seperate sections for FF and BFing.

Thank you moondog and tiktok, you've successfuly managed to make me feel unhappy and got at because of my thoughts and feelings around FFing. I had really hoped for something different on this thread, a feeling of support from other parents in the same position. Its interesting that mozi, kkk and me have all said things like:
"Can't help feel that ff'ers seeking help on feeding feel a bit alienated here "
and
"I don't feel i can share my experiences for fear that they will be held up to examination"

Tiktok and others, you may not realise it but your comments are making people feel like this. I'm assuming none of you want to upset other parents so I felt it was reasonable to point out that this htread was originally started not as a debate but as a support thread for FF.
However you are right and I didn't make that clear in the first post. I will go and start another thread and make it clear it is for SUPPORT and not for unwanted advice or debates over whether FF parents have made the same level of sacrifice as BFing mums.

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riab · 13/11/2006 10:35

mozi and others pelase come on over to new thread:

here

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pollypeachum · 13/11/2006 11:04

for various reasons i ended up FFing with all my babies and was (am)100% happy with that decision. the only thing I regret is the loss of the phyisical intimacy that BFing gives you, esp when they are little babies.

i noticed that one of the posters here, rightly really, said in effect that people should have the courage of their convictions and if they want to BF or FF they should just get on with it and not be sensitive.

IMO the real problem with discussions about BF versus FF is simply that the pro-BF camp do not believe that FF is an acceptable alternative to BF. tiktok's post on informed consent where she likened giving the facts about BFing to giving the facts about immunisation is a case in point. there is pretty much a view that to BF or not is a life or death choice and that if you chose to FF you are as irresponsible as those people who chose not to immunise.

i see there was a bit of protest when riab suggested seperate threads. to be honest, those who are pro-BF on health grounds cannot do anything other than depress FFers. given that this seemed originally to be a thread by FFers designed to support those who on the whole have already chosen to FF, perhaps there is a case for leaving them in peace, not advancing pro-BF ideas and yes, having a segregated discussion?!

AitchTwoOh · 13/11/2006 12:03

but i'm pro-BF despite which I FF? can i not join in?

mozi · 13/11/2006 13:03

Hi all - re coments like "i noticed that one of the posters here, rightly really, said in effect that people should have the courage of their convictions and if they want to BF or FF they should just get on with it and not be sensitive" I just wanted to ask - what if I was sensitive? Am i not allowed to post because I do have some feelings? Desperately wanted to BF (successfully BFed 1st DD) and comments implying that ALL women can BF are hurtful because I tried so hard. I pumped for 4wks (with a 15month old toddler demanding constant attention too) attemped to latch DD on to boobs at least 3 times a feed so I calculate that I gave it my best shot. I thought that the threads WERE for support and that therefore I may be sensitive about the issues discussed. It is hard to be hard faced about it all!! Was just looking for a bit of support and help with FF. Will join riab and others on the other thread. XXX

pollypeachum · 13/11/2006 13:21

mozi i certainly didn't mean to upset you. what i meant to do in my post, but obviously didn't make myself clear, was explain why i think threads like this generally end up making FFers (of which i'm one) feel bad about themselves. we all, no matter how we feed, ought to be able to feel that we are doing the best we can for our babies. the trouble is that FFers tend to feel, or to be made to feel, that what they are doing is second best. and i don't think thats acceptable!

pollypeachum · 13/11/2006 13:43

me too Aitch. i can see this is a minefield though and maybe shouldn't have blundered in!!! i've already upset mozi which is the last thing i intended to do. i meant well!!!

krimbokrackerskayzed · 13/11/2006 14:27

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hamstermunker · 13/11/2006 18:36

Now, see, I want to post on the other thread, because there are marketing myths on there.

But I'll get shot if I do, so I won't.

Shame, eh? Might save some FFers a few bob if I did post.

AitchTwoOh · 13/11/2006 19:06

let me go and have a look, hunker, i'll flash my avent bottles at them to distract them.

pollypeachum · 13/11/2006 19:15

flaming heck. have just got the bill for the first (and only thank goodness) month of all three bairns at nursery. am tempted, like picking at a scab, to ask what the marketing myths are but in the face of this bill, a bit of money wasted on formula is the least of my problems....
think will have to start hiring them out. if anyone knows of a way of making money out of your brood, let me know. sadly none of the family is photogenic so modellings out.

tiktok · 14/11/2006 22:34

riab, anyone who follows what I say on mumsnet knows I am aware of the need for senstivity - but that should not extend to letting myths go unchallenged...nevertheless, I did let them go unchallenged for four days, until NQC brought up a correction about triplets (a reason you said for not breastfeeding). You have chosen to ignore my response to you, that in the quote you criticise me for, I was actually answering you. You made it look as if I came on here to sabotage.

Here's a thing. I don't actually care how individual mothers choose to feed their babies. Not a jot. I do care about their sadness if they don't manage to do what they planned to do, or if their choice is undermined by poor information - such as if they are expecting triplets, or an adopted baby, or are ill with loss of appetite, or need a hospital stay, etc etc, all of which you state so confidently are reasons not to breastfeed. They might appreciate a heads up on this!

pollypeach - you quote my post on informed consent 'where she likened giving the facts about BFing to giving the facts about immunisation is a case in point. there is pretty much a view that to BF or not is a life or death choice and that if you chose to FF you are as irresponsible as those people who chose not to immunise.'

I am getting exaspertated now - I did not say nor did I imply that people who choose to FF are irreponsible. I used the iummunisation analogy because it's one where healthcare professsionals give advice to mothers to enable an informed choice. You don't even know my opinion on immunisation or on the choice to give it, or withhold it.

But I suggest you go and post an immunisation thread and say you think mothers who don't immunise are irresponsible, and tell them it's a life or death choice....and then you really will need to duck

Please don't put words into my mouth, and please be careful what you imply when you quote me. I really hope you will aplogise to me, as you have apologised to mozi.

tiktok · 14/11/2006 23:30

krimbo - thanks!

I do try to be reasonable, even in the face of misquotation hell

SneakyMouse · 14/11/2006 23:33

You are always very reasonable, Tiktok (except perhaps you snigger a bit loudly when posting links to hooter hiders ).

lulumama · 14/11/2006 23:39

Tik tok...

i for one would like to thank you for the dedicated time & effort you give to the women struggling with breast feeding...you are the least deserving of criticism.... i have bumped threads for you or told mnetters to look out for you as you are an expert in this field...giving your time...you do not deserve to be treated harshly like this.......Mnet is lucky you are around.....

AitchTwoOh · 14/11/2006 23:44

seconded, lulu.

harpsichordandcarrots · 14/11/2006 23:47

absolutely, tiktok is always calm and reasonable and sensitive.

krimbokrackerskayzed · 15/11/2006 00:05

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SneakyMouse · 15/11/2006 00:06

Except for the Tit Tents, Harpsi

SneakyMouse · 15/11/2006 00:07

Although it could be argued there's nowt reasonable about a Nork Marquee.

AitchTwoOh · 15/11/2006 00:08

yep, she was positively skittish on the tit tent front.

WriggleJiggle · 15/11/2006 00:12

A google search on b/f led to findin some advise Tiktoks had posted. 7mths later and I'm still b/fing . Thanks T

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