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HV forcing me to feed 5 week old DS water and to let him scream :( . Really need advice. :/

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SchrodingersMew · 02/11/2011 21:06

Okay, so I already posted a thread before as my DS has been eating far too much.Thread is here Well now my HV has said that I have to feed him water as in 5 weeks he is apparently going to be off the charts.

I really didn't want to give him water as for 1, he doesn't like it at all and keeps choking on it and 2, I keep hearing lots of conflicting advice about how you shouldn't give babies water. It isn't even getting him from feed to feed as he is inconsolibly crying. :( It's breaking my heart and I'm being told that letting him scream and scream isn't cruel but continuing to feed him when he wants is.

She is also telling me that if I don't give him water he is going to end up in hospital from dehydration. Confused No one else I know gives or even thinks to give their babies water.... We had problems with heating but that's now solved so I don't see how he could get dehydrated especially with the amount of milk he has been taking.

Please help. :(

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BeeBread · 02/11/2011 22:56

Well my DS was one of those babies who did end up off the charts. By 6 months he was about 24 pounds IIRC and much much bigger than his contemporaries.

HV was slightly disapproving but couldn't advise me to do anything differently because he had been EBF.

At 2 he has slimmed down a lot and is very tall. He is doing everything he should. Some babies are just built hungrier and bigger, but it is just how they are meant to be. And frankly my DS has been very easy too - a good eater, very rarely ill, crawled at 7 months, walked at 11 months.

You and your baby don't have a problem. He sounds perfect. Your HV does on the other hand and it is time to tell her that you are happy to get on with raising your boy by yourself.

SchrodingersMew · 02/11/2011 23:11

BeeBread I'm glad your HV was so good with you! I think mines would have fainted at that weight. Grin

He has been really pretty easy up until now, it feels like she just wants him to have a problem! Yeah he has been a bit sniffly but I got a spray for it and he now seems okay (and it only started immediately after the first time he had water and choked Hmm), he had been really warm and sweating a lot and I had been worried about that but that's fine now too.

There's probably someone who really does have a problem and isn't getting enough help and she's wasting her time try to create some with me.

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ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 02/11/2011 23:15

She isn't forcing you to do anything, you can choose to smile, nod and ignore.

MaternityNursesaregreat · 02/11/2011 23:21

Hi SM,
I've just read the fist page or so of this thread, and it sounds really tough for you.
I'm working as a Maternity nurse and have covered a vast range of situations. I'm not at all suggesting this is the case, but as an example I'm working at the moment with my first ever baby I've had to introduce a dummy and water - never have I done this before - but each baby is individual.

Also in the last 12mths I've worked with 6babies with reflux ranging from mild to incredibly severe.

Perhaps I can offer you some thoughts or suggestions if you would like. I'm more than happy to chat to you if you would like to call me, or I can call you. Please don't hesitate if you think there may be something useful I can say/do to help if you'd like some one to bounce some ideas off.

I will try to work out how to send you a PM with my number, or you send me yours if you wish.

Best wishes

CocoPopsAddict · 02/11/2011 23:22

Seriously OP, life is too short for this.

Just don't answer your door. Or go out. Nothing she can do about it!

PelvicFlAAAARGHOfSteel · 02/11/2011 23:29

Schrodinger - That was one of those threads which left me wondering how it turned out when the baby arrived, glad it's all good and she's turned out sane (and helpful).

BertieBotts · 03/11/2011 09:16

Does this help at all? This is the guidance the HV should be following.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/default/files/asset_library/Research/Growth%20Charts/Education%20Materials%2001092010/FS3_Measuring%20and%20plottingW.pdf

JenniferYellowHatsRedLingerie · 03/11/2011 10:04

Hi Schrodinger,
I commented on your first thread about your DS "eating too much" (and I think we've chatted on late pregnancy whinge threads in August!)
To recap, my DD is 9 weeks old now and I'm a first time mum too; she was born big at 9lb7 but was nearly two weeks late. My MW's and HV's told me that because she was so late, I effectively got a two week old baby straight out of the womb, and the amount she wanted to eat straightaway made sense, like she kicked into her 10 day growth spurt immediately (also the fact she was so alert from birth made sense for that too). I told you on your other thread that she was at 5 weeks - I assume in her growth spurt for that age - eating upwards of 40oz per day; she's now calmed that way down and is eating 25-30oz (not quite enough in my opinion for a 14lb baby, but I can't force it down her and she's following her centile lines perfectly).
So, following this logic, if your DS was two weeks early, he's in his 3 week growth spurt now; as he's 5 weeks old he could be hitting his 6 week old growth spurt, iyswim.
Your HV sounds like she came out of the ark, tbh - she's giving you advice that my mum was given 35 years ago when I was a baby (I've had these discussions with my mum about giving DD water, leaving her to cry, etc; which I've gently nodded and smiled at and then flagrantly ignored. However, this is much easier done with my mum, and not someone who is supoposed to know about these things like your HV.)
Schrodinger, you know your little boy, you're the one who's with him 24/7; not your HV. Is he producing wet nappies regularly? Is his poo soft (don't worry too much about getting dirty nappies every day, my DD has only just started that delight, although if he's going more than 3 days then that might be a concern)? Is he happy enough and alert while he's awake, and does feeding him make him happy? Then I would say that he's ok, maybe a bit of a fat knacker :) and that he's either trying to climb centiles or going through his growth spurts, or all of the above.
If he's screaming non-stop all the time, then yes, there may be an issue, and I would say take the advice about having him checked for reflux/other issues above.
Take him to your GP, just to put your mind at rest. When you call up for an appointment, tell the receptionist that you want to speak to a GP who is female and maybe a bit older. When you go for your appointment, make sure you take a list of all your questions and notes on your concerns (I've just done this at DD's 8 week check, and my GP was fantastic, sat down and listened to all I had to say and gave me considered answers).
Just because you are younger does not mean your opinion and instinct doesn't count. (And I have certainly never thought from any of your posts that you sounded 21 at all, more like me in my old age of mid-thirties!) Refuse to see this HV - just be out when she's coming. Can you take her to a drop-in clinic in your area instead? Don't let this woman make you obsess about his eating, as that way madness lies (believe me, I am utterly neurotic about DD's eating habits and amounts, but that's another story!).
I'm no expert on any of this sweetheart, I have one baby 4 weeks older than yours. But you completely sound to me like you're sorted and you know your little man; go with your gut.
Keep posting, and let us know how he's going. Just so you know, my DD hit 6 weeks and (it seemed like) stopped eating - she dropped her amounts right down. He may well do this.

SchrodingersMew · 03/11/2011 13:01

Thanks for that BertieBotts I'm reading through them now and trying to figure out the charts (I'm completely rubbish with charts for some reason) :)

Jennifer I thought what I had been told was outdated as my DGM told me that this is what they were told to do when they had babies.

I'm glad everything has settled down a bit with your DD, we worked it out as him taking about 46 oz a day as well and I didn't think he would keep drinking it unless he needed it. :(

He's down to taking 150ml now so a bit less. :) I have phoned the Dr and now awaiting a call back, even the receptionists sounded baffled! Funny enough, when I told them my problem they immediately named my HV and asked me if it was her... Hmm

I really appreciate all this help from everyone! I thought now that DS had been born I could give everyone a break from my multiple whinging threads! Guess not. Grin

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BertieBotts · 03/11/2011 13:04

Ahh. Interesting the surgery immediately asked if it was your particular HV. Perhaps she can't do graphs either Grin

WhoWhoWhoWho · 03/11/2011 13:15

I agree with the other posters,sounds like HV has a bit of a reputation and is definitely not giving you good advice and is behaving very unprofessionally in the way she is talking to you.

Ask your GP or the GPs secretary too about drop in HV clinics as you may be able to find one she doesn't attend and get some reassuring advice from a normal HV. Hope you get on alright at GP's.

I have to say the best advice I was given whilst pregnant was to "ignore everyone's advice and go with your insincts".

buttonmoon78 · 03/11/2011 13:52

Oh this has made me so v v Angry!

I was 19 when I had my first. Not one HCP ever treated me like this - and that was 14 years ago!

Speak to your gp. Ask about other clinics/hvs and explain your problem with this one. Ask your gp to make thorough notes so if the hv does go to the sw they will see from the notes that you are a responsible, loving parent as well as from observation.

You are doing a fine job. Keep your chin up and don't let bullies like this ruin these precious early weeks.

SchrodingersMew · 03/11/2011 13:55

BertieBotts Well she really is shite with numbers! Realising this after all the arguments about weights and ml and then she can't even seem to add up my D.O.B. Hmm

GP has said that he isn't "unduly concerned" and he will see him tomorrow and check his weight and do the centile charts again. :)

Who "ignore everyone's advice and go with your insincts", I think this is probably definitely true! There is a drop in clinic, I will just have to time it so she isn't there.

I have decided anyway, after all this I am not going to see her again.

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BertieBotts · 03/11/2011 14:07

Good :) And hope GP finds everything is normal tomorrow. Sounds good if he isn't too concerned.

SchrodingersMew · 03/11/2011 14:22

If he also turns round and tells me DS hasn't moved any centile lines I shall be staying in and waiting for the HV next week and having very strong words and expressing just how unhappy I am with her making me out to be a shit Mother advice. Grin

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crikeybadger · 03/11/2011 14:43

If she has got it wrong, you might like to put your concerns in writing to her manager- this situation has obviously identified a need for further training.

I know you said before you weren't sure about complaining, but if nobody speaks up, she will be spouting the same poor advice to some other mother who may not have the same self confidence to question her advice.

pozzled · 03/11/2011 14:57

I've checked in my red book and he has definitely only moved up ONE percentile line- from the 9th to the 25th. This is entirely normal. It sounds as though the HV is talking nonsense.

She may be concerned that his weight gain isn't slowing down, but with such small babies it can change so much from week to week. Saying he'll be 'off the charts in 5 weeks' is utterly ridiculous because his weight gain can very easily slow down before then (and probably will).

Hope you get some reassurance and sensible advice from your GP.

RitaMorgan · 03/11/2011 15:00

I think he'd only have started on the 9th if he was 40 week gestation anyway.

pozzled · 03/11/2011 15:12

But if babies are born at full term (after 37 weeks) they don't use the preterm charts, they just start as if they were 40 weeks gestation. So he would be plotted on the 9th percentile even though he was slightly early- that's what happens in my area any way.

It is a good point though, if he was born at 40 weeks he'd have been a bit bigger and probably started on the 25th.

RitaMorgan · 03/11/2011 15:16

Ah, I see. Well either way, one centile change isn't a worry.

schroeder · 03/11/2011 15:18

I can't understand why your HV is worrying you about this.
My dd weighed 9lb13
when she was born, drank about 7ozs at a time from the start.
I don't get what the problem is supposed to be, as long as your baby is producing wet nappies and sleeping and reacting to you, he is most likely to be fine.
btw dd is now 9 and skinny, you would never guess she was such a big baby!

lilham · 03/11/2011 15:35

SchrodingersMew I think your HV has picked on you because of your age Sad. And probably she picked on your lack of confidence to talk authoritatively. Rita on mine it says they shouldn't plot on the gestation chart unless baby is preterm (ie before 37 weeks). Otherwise, the normal chart starts at 2 weeks.

SchrodingersMew there are graphs/charts at the end of the red book. One set for boys, another for girls (though my HV took out the boy ones for me). Everytime your baby is weighed, they should be writing down their weight on the page before the charts. Can you find it? The charts has weights (in kg) vs age in weeks. Try to plot your babies weight on it and see if it follows one of the curved lines. If it jumps over two curved lines from 2 to 5 weeks, then you'll need to worry. Otherwise, just point at those graphs to your HV and says you can't see a problem.

Do you know what his weight is at 2 weeks? Has he regained his birth weight by then?

FWIW I know one mum who is 20 in my area and complains how our HV is quite rude to her. Threatening social services etc. Me and other older mums (ie in late 20s and 30s) have nothing but politeness from them. It's horrible when they stereotype people like this. That young mum is one of the most intelligent mums I've met. It's just that she's young and not highly educated.

JenniferYellowHatsRedLingerie · 03/11/2011 23:08

Schrodinger good, well done. Your GP sounds like a sensible person. Echo comment above that is v interesting that the receptionists immediately named your HV when you said you had a problem!
It's all going to be fine, honey. These first few weeks are a complete headfuck in many ways, aren't they?! But you are doing fantastically, I would say managing to keep up with a baby drinking 46oz a day is heroic in itself Grin and pat on the back for me for doing the same too, haha
Echoing Schroeder above: I was a big baby myself (9lb) and ate soooooo much according to my mum, and I'm a skinny size 8 now; my brother was 10lb5, ate 50oz per day and you can't see him when he turns sideways now he's 30.
Hope all is good at the GP's tomorrow. Let us know how it goes.

waitingforskinnyjeanstofit · 04/11/2011 12:26

Hope everything goes well with the GP (oh and ask about reflux as this seems really common and sorted my DS right out once we knew)...those charts are a bugger, ignore the crazy hv and the charts and just listen to your gorgeous baby (he may not know much but this he does know). It's not like a baby of that age should go on a diet anyway-that'd be nuts.

Sounds like you're doing just dandy.

(I had the other way around with mine falling off the chart, but what was I supposed to do force feed him like a fois gras duck?)