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FFS this woman fancies herself as Jeremy Clarkson

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HarrietJones · 30/06/2011 16:56

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northnorthwest · 01/07/2011 18:04

Really? So what do you class as unpleasant terms? And just what sort of message is language like that passing on to your children as they grow up if you think that is mild? Why do you think being uncouth is acceptable? no wonder so many young people are foul mouthed these days!
As for where I feed my son I use restaurant powder rooms/ shop changing rooms or my car. In friends' houses I ask if I can nip into another room. Is that acceptable?
And "utterly desperate": not only do I have a husband but my other child is at school.

belgo · 01/07/2011 18:06

'powder room' - is that a fancy name for the toilets?

RitaMorgan · 01/07/2011 18:07

I'm obviously going to the wrong restaurants as I've never seen a "powder room" - and I'm sure you don't expect anyone to feed a child in a public loo!

tiktok · 01/07/2011 18:09

I take it you have no regrets in coming on to mumsnet and using words like nasty, obtuse, stupid, unpleasant, to refer to people here...all within about two minutes of signing up?

I'd say that was far more 'uncouth' than calling someone who isn't here a 'knob'.

No one has called you anything at all, I don't think.

We are very nice and restrained :)

HarrietJones · 01/07/2011 18:09

So you never take out dc1/2 together without dh?

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tiktok · 01/07/2011 18:10

Our local Italian has a powder room - it is, of course, a toilet.

HarrietJones · 01/07/2011 18:11

Can I just say I've never had a thread so long or one where people have got narky?
Grin

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belgo · 01/07/2011 18:12

Congratulations HarrietJones!Grin

whomovedmychocolate · 01/07/2011 18:12

I thought the powder room was where they kept the flour Grin

northnorthwest · 01/07/2011 18:13

I didn't open this thread! and certainly wouldn't use a term such as FFS. I posted a link to a column which was quoting Myleene Klass and her thoughts on breastfeeding. My mistake obviously!

HarrietJones · 01/07/2011 18:16

NNW I do really think MN isn't the forum for you if you are offended by FFS & knob. now toddle off to netmums and let us bitch

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tiktok · 01/07/2011 18:17

Yes, you opened this thread by clicking on it, northnorthwest - I did not say you started it, and did not accuse you of using such an uncouthery (sp?) as 'FFS'.

I was saying that you saw a thread with 'FFS' in the title.

Then you opened it, and posted about knobs and nastiness, very disapprovingly, despite knowing you'd be shocked to the core because you'd seen the letters FFS ....and I am wondering if you like being shocked, that's all! :)

prettybird · 01/07/2011 18:26

Wow - it's rare that I've seen tiktok getting narked like that (unless it is someone disseminating false information about bf - and even then she normally gives them the benefit of the doubt initially - while correcting them).

There is language that I use when talking amongst fellow adults (which is what other MNers are) and language that I will use in front of children. The language used on Mumsnet is, of course, the former. And if people are talking codswallop, we tend to say so - forthrightly Grin. Unless you are choosing to read this out loud to your children Hmm, it is not going to sully the innocence of any child. This is an adult space.

Better warn NothbyNorthWest never to goodle dragon butter Wink (BTW: I never have and never will. I am too scared sufficiently sensible to listen to the horrified warnings that it is not something you should do!)

I am also still not clear whether she thinks it is OK for others feed in public: it is, as others, have said, her prerogative to hide away, but I get the sense, from her comment about "grandstanding" that she thinks that we should all hide away. Would a bottle feeder also be accused of grandstanding?? Hmm

I hope that either that impression was misleading and/or she has now at least given pause to the thought that some people see it as perfectly normal and don't feel the need to hide away, nor are they "grandstanding". As adults, we eat in public. Babies can do so too.

verylittlecarrot · 01/07/2011 18:28

Northnorthwest

I support your right to hide away from others when you are feeding as that is your preference.

I rather resent you suggesting that because I don't feel the same as you I am "grandstanding". And my heart sinks every time someone somewhere reinforces the current thinking that many idiots possess, that breastfeeding - visibly in public - is inappropriate.

Inappropriate why? Do babies swallowing seem rude? Is it about how much skin is seen? Is a breast dirty? Is the baby dirty? Is it the sight of the nipple shocking? What if the nipple isn't seen? If no flesh is exposed? What about if a woman wearing a vest top (not feeding but showing a normal amount of skin) starts to feed her baby but puts a cardy on, showing less skin than before - better or worse? Is it just the THOUGHT of what's going on?

What - exactly - is it that makes a mother bottlefeeding in public completely acceptable, but a mother breastfeeding is the cause of such heebiejeebies?

WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

HumptyDumpty1 · 01/07/2011 18:40

Congratulations Louise Allonby for putting hundreds of women off breast feeding with the opening paragraph. Hope you feel fantastic about yourself!

catinthehat2 · 01/07/2011 18:47

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HumptyDumpty1 · 01/07/2011 19:32

Lol - just read the rest of this post,

Northnorthwest you seriously need to get a grip! Why would feeding a baby need to be private? Do you take your meals from a restaurant and hide in the toilets to eat them?

And I agree that is knob offends you then you must be overly delicate.

Even though you breastfeed yourself it's ignorant people like you that make self conscious people like me struggle to bf in public. (i don't anymore however as I've realised that I'm not a child who laughs at boobies and realised that boobs are meant for babies - fact!)

TittyBojangles · 01/07/2011 19:51

Congratulations HJ, I'm sure this thread will keep going for some time Grin

NNW I also couldn't give a monkey's wotsits how and where YOU choose to feed and likewise I don't expect you to comment on how I would choose to do so.

While MN of course welcomes many many ppl with very diverse opinions I do agree that this just might not be the forum for you, may I suggest you go and check out a few AIBU threads just to illustrate the point? Otherwise you really are going to be in for a tough time.

phew, this being nice thing is exhausting.

HarrietJones · 01/07/2011 22:16

Titty - you better not have killed it ...

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northnorthwest · 01/07/2011 23:00

I have no idea what AIBU means. Is there a private language I need to understand in order to become a member of Mumsnet?
And, humptydumpty, how on earth does my desire to breastfeed in private make you self-conscious about doing it in public? Isn't parenthood all about choices?

tiktok · 01/07/2011 23:12

www.mumsnet.com/info/acronyms

There's no private language. This acronyms link is at the top of every folder in the Talk section.

It's not your preference to feed in private that affects people - you have been told several times it's up to you what you choose - it's your talk of 'grandstanding' that makes self-conscious people wonder if you think they are somehow showing off if they pluck up the courage to bf wherever they happen to be.

TittyBojangles · 01/07/2011 23:15

AIBU is Am I Being Unreasonable, one of the 'livelier' topics on here, no private language.

I think its the fact that you have an negative opinion of women who do choose to feed in public (I'm thinking of your grandstanding comment) that makes some other women feel uncomfortable. It should be no business of yours how someone else chooses to feed, like it is no business of mine that you choose to feed in the car or a feeding room or whatever. Of course we all make choices, but to judge someone elses choice is the point here and judgyness is soooooo unMNetty! Grin

TittyBojangles · 01/07/2011 23:19

Ooooh, x-post with Tiktok.

northnorthwest · 01/07/2011 23:35

OK I hadn't noticed the acronyms thing on this website. Thanks for the explanation. I don't know why everyone is getting so het up about my use of the word grandstanding, however. I just meant that some mothers do want to prove a point about insisting on breastfeeding anywhere and everywhere, regardless of other people around. I think I have every right to feel happier to breastfeed my son in some degree of privacy. I'm not saying others shouldn't do it but surely you must agree that a lot of people feel uncomfortable seeing it? I have breast fed both my children and yes we are mammals but we have moved on from walking around naked etc. Are you seriously saying you would feel happy to breastfeed at a dinner party in front of all the guests?

tiktok · 01/07/2011 23:49

Explanation:

i) the word 'grandstanding' means showing off, drawing attention to oneself deliberately....and most people bf are just feeding and comforting their babies and resent your interpretation of it.

ii) you have been told many times no one gives a flying fart* where you bf and if you persist in insisting 'some mothers do want to rove a point' no one will believe you when you claim you are not saying others should feed in private too.

iii) actually, the research indicates that people who feel uncomfortable about seeing breastfeeding are in a minority - and anyway the common sense position is just not to look. There are people who feel uncomfortable about seeing disability - but just as disabled people have a right to be a part of the world and to ignore the preferences of idiots and bigots, mothers who are bf and their babies have exactly the same rights - happily protected by law, these days :)

iv) I have breastfed at many dinner parties 'in front of all the guests' yes, indeed! Why you think that is somehow amazingly daring and not a perfectly normal thing to do is beyond me!

  • apologies for the uncouth use of the word 'fart' but 'gaseous emission' doesn't have the same alliteration....
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