Mizzy tiktoker- from a black perspective

[Rege]

Does anyone think he has an undiagnosed mental illness? there's a similar thread on the main board but very few seem interested in exploring this.

He seems manic in how he talks and I was surprised how well he defended himself with Piers Morgan and we all know how he crushes his interviewees. There's no mention of drugs or being in a gang. He seems to just do these crazy stunts for the thrill. ADHD perhaps? Is anyone else thinking he should be pushed for an immediate mental health assessment rather than sent off to prison. I feel if this angle is not looked into he will come out of jail and just keep doing until he probably gets killed.

He’s a bloody disgrace, mental illness or not. Such shameful behaviour.

I don't think anyone is applauding him. The point of the thread is to look at his behavior from a black perspective and consider his mental health as he clearly is unwell. Are you black?

What do you mean by 'black perspective? I'm not trying to be goady, just genuinely intrigued. 🙂

This is posted in black mumsnetters, you may not have noticed.

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No bless him - I do however think he’s young and reckless. Part of why many of us are scandalised by his seeming carefree attitude to crime is how he seems to be almost unencumbered by how we know law enforcement would view someone like him normally. Its absolutely awful for those he targets - saying that, it’s nice to see a proportionate response by law enforcement for once.

Thank you @OddsocksinmyDocs. I think if he were white his mental health would have no doubt have been taken into account. I find it odd so many have mentioned his 'manic' behaviour but yet have no interest in whether he needs help with his mental health and just want him punished. He is young and seems to have no direction but gets an immense thrill from these impulsive and senseless escapades. When he was being interviewed by Piers he seemed manic although actually quite bright. My DN has ADHD and he had similar mannerisms before he was diagnosed. Talking ten to the dozen and doing stupid things for a laugh at school, although he was a lot younger (7-9yrs). If he didnt have the solid family support he has & hadn't been put on medication (he is now a wonderful young man with a Masters degree), I wonder where he would be now. He could be running around doing crazy things just like this young man.

Yes I think so too. Some sort of personality disorder. I don't know but judging by how negatively mental health/neurological/psychological disorder is viewed in the black community in general, I'm not surprised there wouldn't be much traction and if he's gone undiagnosed.

It doesn't escape me that it's the typical line used when it's a boy of another race.

He's a menace for sure, even his mum cba, but is there something else other than just 'being naughty' going on there? Seems like it. He really should be assessed properly because he doesn't seem all there. I'd be going fully in on him if I thought the opposite, so I'm not saying this cos he's black.

What relevance might ADHD have on his antisocial behaviour?

He clearly has some kind of MH or ND issue - maybe both ? I think In general the authorities and the public are very quick to shout ‘criminal’ in his case - I do agree about possible adhd having worked with similar younger children who crave the cycle of activity - reaction - reward (the reward being the temporary’high’ from risky/risk taking behaviour, plus the attention .

I also agree if he was white that perhaps there would have already been an intervention for him , by family or professionals but if he has been dismissed as something and written off effectively and not accessed that support it’s just sadly going to be described as criminal behaviour.
He said in the interview with Piers how he has remorse and I think that was genuine. He also mentioned peer pressure so i wonder if there is a need to be ‘accepted’ and that he is being manipulated ?

He needs some support and intervention to maybe turn his life around . It’s far too easy for young black men to be labelled and dismissed extremely quickly which is not ok. I feel Piers was almost antagonistic saying ‘what’s the sob story then?’ When he wasn’t saying he was a victim but wasn’t even given a chance to elaborate - Piers if he really cared could have used that interview for good

With adhd often antisocial behaviour is just a by product. The end result isn’t really thought about it’s just the ‘thrill’ of something , the intense activity the ‘rush’ the feeling of agitation that needs a release. So when he says he has remorse I actually believe that. The children I work with often get tearful after incidents or outbursts as they didn’t mean it. It’s not an excuse but could be a factor in this case

Hes being let down if nobody helps him access support and encourages him to look to himself for possible reasons as to why he feels the need to behave this way

Piers if he really cared could have used that interview for good

Piers care?
Use his interview for good and not to embarrass others especially when he wants to feed them to racists?

Ha! No such luck. He would have said worse if he was allowed.

Could be but Adhd doesn't make people violent, aggressive or dangerous in most cases. What he does goes beyond fun and games and getting a thrill.

@Rege I'll start by saying I'm white myself but as your post came up on active, I had a look.

Where I am (England), I live in a city that antisocial behaviour is becoming more common and its mainly young, white males. They start off shoplifting, then stealing bikes, then motorbikes, then cars and burning them. They all have the same 'uniform' of tracksuits with balaclavas on but I'm sure you get my drift.

Anyway, mental health is very rarely presumed about these 'lovable rogues' and there just seems to be a mutual agreement from the public that they are yobs, thieves etc.

Thankyou for your comment by the way - I hope you didn't find my original post goady 🙂

@HypocrisyRules You've hit the nail on the head. Black kids are least likely to get diagnosed or get an intervention for MH when in school. He looks to me like someone who has an undiagnosed and untreated MH disorder. According to CrimeReport /ADHD Foundation 1 in 4 prisoners has ADHD ADHD leads to disengagement with education in children, being egged on then ostracised and eventually the kind of behaviour this young chap is displaying that ultimately leads to a criminal conviction. This is why CAMHs advise once diagnosed its best to start medication asap whilst the brain still has a chance to learn new patterns.. I am baffled why people don't seem to be interested in exploring this.

I agree with @Sataychicken that he needs an intervention that includes support and he could still turn his life around. ADDitutde says, African American children were 70 percent less likely to be diagnosed with ADHD than white children. Children whose primary language was something other than English — a group that includes many Latino children — were similarly underdiagnosed. Race and ADHD: How People of Color Get Left Behind (additudemag.com).

To the poster asking what adhd has to do with anti social behaviour: How are the MoJ recognising the link between ADHD and Criminal Behaviour (insidegovernment.co.uk)

ADHD and a Pathway Toward Criminality: Preventing Trouble Before It Begins - CHADD.

@OddsocksinmyDocs I don't think anyone thinks 'Mizzy' is a loveable rogue. His behaviour is abhorrent and frightening but I noticed something else about him that pointed to a possible neurological condition which I wanted to discuss here away from the mob braying for blood. I'm on a mental health forum and you'd be amazed the behaviours parents call Mental health probs! many of them intimidating, frightening, beating up their parents, choking siblings and they all say its poor mental health. I just wonder why this young black man /chap (don't know his exact age) why no one has thought he needs a mental health assessment. It's not unusual for young black boys and girls to be called criminals for even the mildest of offences and they are known to get heavier sentences, these are all historical facts.

. If he didnt have the solid family support he has & hadn't been put on medication (he is now a wonderful young man with a Masters degree), I wonder where he would be now.

i think you’ve touched on an important point, where’s his solid family support?

why is this young man behaving the way he is? His behaviour and that of his friends filming it is an utter disgrace. It’s this type of thing that is setting race relations back. Even your post is seeking to divide.

@AngelasAirpods My post is on Black Mumsnetters a safe area created to discuss issues that affect black people by black people. As 'Mizzy' is black and as you may know one black person doing wrong seems to represent the whole race. It is in our (black peoples) interests to discuss these issues and examine how they are sometimes handled. If you don't like it, you clearly don't need to be here.

Can we stop with the "setting race relations back" trope. This boy doesn't represent anyone but himself and/or his family anymore than a white boy doing the same thing does.

Racists will racist whether he exists or not.

This thread isn't being divisive either. It's coming at this issue from a possible health perspective and not a criminal one; there's a thread already from that angle.

This generation's Jackass. I don't think it's mental illness. Not a racial thing of itself in my view.

Yawn. Anyone who thinks that one person is representative of a whole race of people is not someone I would have any time for, on here or irl. Thank you for this thread@Rege . It is interesting to note that the fact that Mizzy may have mental health problems is not being widely discussed on MN. It is obvious that people would be more interested in attacking him, rather than looking a bit deeper into what may be going on. If he was white there is no doubt in my mind, that people would be raising the issue of mental health more readily.

• Superficial Charm. ...
• Puffed-Up Self-Esteem. ...
• Deceitfulness. ...
• Shallow Emotions. ...
• Boredom and a Need for Stimulation. ...
• A History of Shady Conduct. ...
• A Riddle of Contradictions.

Does this cover it? Psychopathic tendencies...

This thread isn't being divisive either. It's coming at this issue from a possible health perspective and not a criminal one; there's a thread already from that angle.

Thats your opinion, you’re entitled to it. I don’t happen to share it.

OP such a charming response, you either want a respectful discussion or you only want posters that agree and concur with you. I didn’t realise this board was an echo chamber.

I think you may have something. When you step back and look at him talk and his TikToks, he does seem manic. He clearly has a need for a quick fix which is perculiar to folk with ADHD. And therefore his 'need' for likes to get his fix, he does stupid things that are worse each time, so yes I do think you have something @Rege

I used the term 'lovable rogue' because whenever one of them is outed, there's at least one relation who comes along, bleating they'd never do such a thing etc...

As for the mental health assessment, he may have had one. He may just not be cooperative of one. I guess we'll never know. However, his behaviour is truly frightening and unfortunately, until consequences match the severity of his actions, I think he will only get worse.

Divisive ✔️ ✅️

Race relations ✔️ ✅️

Echo chamber ✔️ ✅️

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The thread just started and monitors are already here for 'discussion and debate'.

How 'respectful' to come here barely a few pists in talking about being divisive and all these other nonsense.