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Mizzy tiktoker- from a black perspective

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Rege · 29/05/2023 18:37

Does anyone think he has an undiagnosed mental illness? there's a similar thread on the main board but very few seem interested in exploring this.

He seems manic in how he talks and I was surprised how well he defended himself with Piers Morgan and we all know how he crushes his interviewees. There's no mention of drugs or being in a gang. He seems to just do these crazy stunts for the thrill. ADHD perhaps? Is anyone else thinking he should be pushed for an immediate mental health assessment rather than sent off to prison. I feel if this angle is not looked into he will come out of jail and just keep doing until he probably gets killed.

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BenCoopersSupportWren · 30/05/2023 21:11

The sad reality is, he has a better chance of having a meaningful MH assessment in prison than via the NHS these days. But of course once he reaches that point, a prison sentence brings its own problems of a criminal record, stigma, even worse employment chances etc etc.

(That’s not to say I have no sympathy for his victims, before anyone starts. It’s possible to abhor someone’s actions while still hoping there is an opportunity for them to get whatever support is most appropriate to turn their lives around from an anti-social / criminal path.)

Reugny · 30/05/2023 22:46

@Rege The people I know well including the one I'm in a relationship with say differently about whether it is classed as a mental health condition or not.

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Rege · 30/05/2023 22:57

Fair enough @Reugny . From my experience and studying its always been referred to as a mental health condition but different circles may prefer different terms.

@BenCoopersSupportWren That's a good point you made there about prison, he'll probably have an evaluation done sooner in there. He may well end up in prison but I think a psychological evaluation should be imperative to see what condition he has, if any, and what type of health support he might need.

I can't help but feel, had he had an evaluation when he was much younger, we would not be looking at what we have today. He is one of those unfortunate ones that have fallen through the cracks.

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LadyKenya · 31/05/2023 13:17

And as we already know in education that black children who may be displaying challenging behaviors tend to have a lack of support, at school, and are more likely to be excluded rather than helped.

Reugny · 31/05/2023 13:51

I can't help but feel, had he had an evaluation when he was much younger, we would not be looking at what we have today.

Some parents refused to allow their kids to have such evaluations as they don't feel the label would enable them to get the help they need and instead think their kid will be side lined.

If you are aware of the history of black children being dumped in special schools then you can understand why parents refused the evaluations.

beAsensible1 · 31/05/2023 13:55

I think he has FADS but also think he is just having a laugh and is obviously the one in his friend group that us willing to agree to do the dumb shit and the house thing took it way to far and thats how he ended up on the news.

if he wasn't filming it for tiktok no one would have clue everyone got up to dangerous reckless shit but luckily it didn't end up on bbc!

Half of the rubbish he is doing are titktok trends that thousands of other kids are doing across the world so not exactly a singular phenomenon

SidekickSylvia · 31/05/2023 14:16

I also think that he has FADS beAsensible1
I'm a secondary school teacher and I've taught a couple of students with FAS/FADS, and as soon as I saw him it's what I thought of.

debbrianna · 31/05/2023 14:18

AngelasAirpods · 29/05/2023 21:40

. If he didnt have the solid family support he has & hadn't been put on medication (he is now a wonderful young man with a Masters degree), I wonder where he would be now.

i think you’ve touched on an important point, where’s his solid family support?

why is this young man behaving the way he is? His behaviour and that of his friends filming it is an utter disgrace. It’s this type of thing that is setting race relations back. Even your post is seeking to divide.

Race relations my left leg. Another word to add to the ongoing list.

skullbabe · 31/05/2023 15:13

LadyKenya · 31/05/2023 14:04

If you are aware of the history of black children being dumped in special schools then you can understand why parents refused the evaluations.

This reminded me about the documentary that was on tv a couple of years ago iirc. I have found a link from the Guardian newspaper.https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/may/20/subnormal-a-british-scandal-review-racist-nightmare-steve-mcqueen

There are no words for this. I remember the Small Axe episode which really opened my eyes but I had no idea the scale of this.

LadyKenya · 31/05/2023 15:39

Yes@skullbabe . The more I learn about how black people have been treated in history, and in this Country alone, and continue to be treated, well I cannot put into words how angry I feel. Is it any wonder that so many black people suffer from High blood pressure, when you check the fact that they are living with so much stress all the time that is mostly rooted in racism as a main cause.

Reugny · 31/05/2023 22:55

skullbabe · 31/05/2023 15:13

There are no words for this. I remember the Small Axe episode which really opened my eyes but I had no idea the scale of this.

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The Guardian has done a series on racism in education in the last year.

Things have not changed from what I've heard in previous years and what other people tell me today.

CheeseTouch · 31/05/2023 23:11

He reminds me very strongly of a school friend who went on to be diagnosed with ADHD. I hope he is able to access the support he needs.

SolemnLaughter · 01/06/2023 08:03

So he can't help himself?

He can help who he chooses to target (vulnerable people - not people who can protect themselves)

He and his friends can choose not to film his 'impulses'

He and his friends can choose not to upload his 'impulses' to TikTok

He is old enough to face consequences to his actions

I can't believe that no one has tried to help him and now he needs to help himself

OddsocksinmyDocs · 01/06/2023 21:34

SolemnLaughter · 01/06/2023 08:03

So he can't help himself?

He can help who he chooses to target (vulnerable people - not people who can protect themselves)

He and his friends can choose not to film his 'impulses'

He and his friends can choose not to upload his 'impulses' to TikTok

He is old enough to face consequences to his actions

I can't believe that no one has tried to help him and now he needs to help himself

100% this. With any luck, he'll target the wrong person one day.

I've just seen a video of him asking three girls in a train station 'if they want to die'. The way he spoke to them was horrendous - they must have been so scared!

Reugny · 01/06/2023 23:35

SolemnLaughter · 01/06/2023 08:03

So he can't help himself?

He can help who he chooses to target (vulnerable people - not people who can protect themselves)

He and his friends can choose not to film his 'impulses'

He and his friends can choose not to upload his 'impulses' to TikTok

He is old enough to face consequences to his actions

I can't believe that no one has tried to help him and now he needs to help himself

There is very little help for people with various conditions at the moment particularly if they are adults and they have family members nearby.

His friends need to know something is wrong and take steps to get him help. Unfortunately men, particularly young ones, are generally shit at getting each other help.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 02/06/2023 19:35

Ultimately he needs help and better black male role models and a supportive community. Otherwise he is another black boy that is going to fall thought the cracks. His friend had a marble company and was headed for big things. What happened there?

SolemnLaughter · 02/06/2023 19:46

Reugny · 01/06/2023 23:35

There is very little help for people with various conditions at the moment particularly if they are adults and they have family members nearby.

His friends need to know something is wrong and take steps to get him help. Unfortunately men, particularly young ones, are generally shit at getting each other help.

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Ultimately, his friends are complicit. They're not going to get him help because they are also part of it. I don't know why the focus is just on him when there's more than just him involved.

Anoushkaka · 02/06/2023 21:01

Absolutely nothing wrong with his mental health. Please stop using colour as a get out clause. His own mother just said he needs to get a job stop with his silly pranks.

Anoushkaka · 02/06/2023 21:04

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Rege · 02/06/2023 21:43

@Anoushkaka How can you possibly tell there is nothing wrong with his mental health? are you a Psychologist and can diagnose remotely? the fact his 'own mother' said he should get a job doesn't prove anything.
He should at the least have a psychological assessment.

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HypocrisyRules · 02/06/2023 21:49

Absolutely nothing wrong with his mental health.
And you know this how?

Please stop using colour as a get out clause.
🙄 Here we go again...

LadyKenya · 02/06/2023 21:58

Anoushkaka · 02/06/2023 21:01

Absolutely nothing wrong with his mental health. Please stop using colour as a get out clause. His own mother just said he needs to get a job stop with his silly pranks.

And you are qualified how exactly to make such a bold statement? Please enlighten us all. The rest of your post is just you trying to provoke posters. It is boring.

Starseeking · 04/06/2023 17:24

I've heard a bit about this youngster, though haven't seen any of his videos as I don't use TikTok.

What struck me on hearing about potential mental health issues was I've just finished reading "maybe I don't belong here" written by David Harewood (the actor), about suffering psychosis in his twenties and being sectioned several times. His reflections on how he was treated as a "large Black man" (in his own words) in the system are terrifying. He credits the fact he didn't die whilst there to great friends and family supporting him.

Although the book refers to events of 30 odd years ago, there still exists so much stigma around mental health issues in people of Black heritage. I avoid using "community", as there are so many different groups that it does a disservice to label us all as one. That is likely a significant reason that he's being treated as a simple menace, instead of as someone requiring professional help.

One thing that did make me laugh was on reading here how Mizzy's behaviour is setting race relations back; it's such a reductive conclusion. I thought we'd moved on from one Black person representing the entire race, perhaps not.

SolemnLaughter · 04/06/2023 19:29

Starseeking · 04/06/2023 17:24

I've heard a bit about this youngster, though haven't seen any of his videos as I don't use TikTok.

What struck me on hearing about potential mental health issues was I've just finished reading "maybe I don't belong here" written by David Harewood (the actor), about suffering psychosis in his twenties and being sectioned several times. His reflections on how he was treated as a "large Black man" (in his own words) in the system are terrifying. He credits the fact he didn't die whilst there to great friends and family supporting him.

Although the book refers to events of 30 odd years ago, there still exists so much stigma around mental health issues in people of Black heritage. I avoid using "community", as there are so many different groups that it does a disservice to label us all as one. That is likely a significant reason that he's being treated as a simple menace, instead of as someone requiring professional help.

One thing that did make me laugh was on reading here how Mizzy's behaviour is setting race relations back; it's such a reductive conclusion. I thought we'd moved on from one Black person representing the entire race, perhaps not.

I don’t think you can really comment without watching the videos… They're all over the place - not just TikTok.