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Will MNHQ allow criticism of their moderation of posts by black women from black MN members?

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Jamdown123 · 23/12/2021 11:11

Or are black MNers not allowed to critique the presumably largely white MNHQ. If so, I consider that to be in breach of their very rationale for the board, which they state to be 'primarily for the use of Black Mumsnetters'.

My posts, just as this one, have been respectful.

So, let's see if they also take down this post.

If so, I wonder whether they will inform me of why they have taken that action this time, seeing as I have heard nothing from them whatsoever so far.

In my opinion this behaviour is truly disgraceful. It certainly gives the impression that MNHQ have been caught out there.

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Blackisblackisblack · 24/12/2021 21:55

It would be great if we could get this section back to its intended demographic..

Jamdown123 · 25/12/2021 08:34

@Tillsforthrills

You say you don't agree with me. You also say I don't represent you.

I wasn't looking for either. So this is a situation we are both content with.

You say you are half black. I'm not sure what half black means to you. I'm personally a mix of a great many ethnicities, as my country's motto says 'out of one, many people', however, I am 100% black. Always have been, always will be. A blessing I thank the Lord for everyday. A glorious way of being, a fortune bestowed upon me.

Merry Christmas all. Now to 'chutch'!

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Tillsforthrills · 25/12/2021 08:48

Yes I do say I’m half black. I know what that means to me, whether you’re unsure of it, of what ’percentage’ then that’s on you.

I’m glad that you’re proud of being ‘100%’ black and yes it’s a blessing.

Enjoy church and the teachings of Jesus, there is no better guidance than his on how to treat each other. Wine

Enjoy church and your day to all on this thread Xmas Smile

Tillsforthrills · 25/12/2021 08:55

@Blackisblackisblack

We’ve asked MNHQ to hide it from Active to avoid this.

However she was respectful. You can report every non black womens comment on this section but if it is respectful and a one off, it won’t be taken down.

Jamdown123 · 26/12/2021 13:18

@Tillsforthrills

Thanks for your post. I hope you had the Christmas day that you wanted.

So, I want to explore this further with you. You say you're half black. I identify as a black woman. These are distinct racial identities. I am living my life as a black person, and separately many mixed race people I know do too; you live yours as a half black person. You stated that I assumed you weren't black. You are right, I did so because your comments struck me as being atypical of a black poster on here. And by your admission, I was right.

Now, I'll share this from my perspective - this board is for black posters. To me, a different racial identity is just that, different. So I really do expect all posters of a different identity to come on here and be respectful, if indeed they want to post at all on a board for black posters.

I don't mean any offense by this, I'm certainly not telling mixed race people they are not black. I'm talking about anyone who actually does not call themselves black. My post title was very clear and very specific relating to black women on black MN. I wasn't posting for anyone but those who identify as black women, so that means I wasn't referring to you or trying to represent you. In general I don't see black women taking it upon themselves to do that, I really only see others trying to do that to us.

Thanks

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DeeCeeCherry · 26/12/2021 13:49

Jamdown123

Youll get non-Black women lining up to say/imply you're wrong, don't know your place, oh so what, blah blah etc...

Have you seen that videoclip going around re a Black Woman is never really lonely because the watchers are always and forever lurking🙂

I don't know what happened but I've seen and interacted with several posts you've put up before; haven't known you to be sweary or derogatory in any way.

Hope all is resolved soon.

alilstressed · 04/01/2022 15:56

When I read @sadpapercourtesan's comment, I totally read it as a white woman telling a black woman to know her place and wait her turn. Whether intentional or not, that choice of words to a black woman can be so triggering. And then the staggering inability to listen to a range of posters explaining this is the perfect example of what so many of us face.

Blackisblackisblack · 04/01/2022 20:22

08:55Tillsforthrills

@Blackisblackisblack

We’ve asked MNHQ to hide it from Active to avoid this.

I'm well aware of that, as I also asked MNHQ for the same thing Smile

Tillsforthrills · 15/01/2022 18:01

@Jamdown123

Technically I am half black. Whether a person defines themselves as half black and half white or whether they are mixed race or see themselves as black shouldn’t mean a difference in how you treat them.

To be honest, a lot of the prejudice I’ve seen mixed race people experience is from people like yourself, in that, if they are half white they aren’t black to you. Unless they renounce the white part of themselves and say they’re fully black, they aren’t black from your point of view. Very sad.

I agree whether mixed race, ‘fully black’, white or whatever nationality, respect needs to be shown and given too.

Tillsforthrills · 15/01/2022 18:05

“ Idon't mean any offense by this, I'm certainly not telling mixed race people they are not black. I'm talking about anyone who actually does not call themselves black”

@Jamdown123

Do you know how sad it is for you to say to women who are part black? It’s wrong, but mostly it’s very sad.

Tillsforthrills · 15/01/2022 18:25

“You stated that I assumed you weren't black. You are right, I did so because your comments struck me as being atypical of a black poster on here. And by your admission, I was right.”

My comments stuck you as atypical of a black poster? Why is that? Do you know who is black from their comments? Or how they speak and reason? I’m well spoken and privately educated, which has meant the unfortunate comments you’ve made are similar to the ones I’ve heard before “but you sound white”. As if black or mixed race women can’t have an idea that’s different or speak well. That is unreal.

And no, you were not correct. You assumed I was white. I am not fully white and I’m not fully black which means, that I am not accepted as either by people like yourself.

And yes very thankfully you don’t represent black women. You’re condescending and prejudiced. The black women I have as friends and in my family understand what I am and have accepted me as both black and white. As a person and human being and thankfully do not exclude me just because I say ‘I am HALF black’.

Jamdown123 · 16/01/2022 10:10

My comments stuck you as atypical of a black poster?

Yes.

Why is that?

Because your comments did not seem to reflect the experiences that so many black people on here have.

Do you know who is black from their comments?

Mostly, yes. My hit rate is pretty high. That being said, I'm ok with people who aren't black posting on here as long as they are oriented to support black people, rather than take away or distract from.

Or how they speak and reason?

Nothing to do with how they speak. Yes, how they reason (as above).

I’m well spoken and privately educated, which has meant the unfortunate comments you’ve made are similar to the ones I’ve heard before “but you sound white”.

My comments might have made you think of that, but crucially I didn't say that. That might be your issue, I wouldn't know, but I can state unequivocally that it is not mine.I wouldn't have been able to tell from your comments that you were either well-spoken or privately educated IRL.

As if black or mixed race women can’t have an idea that’s different or speak well. That is unreal.

*I didn't say that. I will squeeze in a little story here. I worked with a black woman a few years back who LOVED Donald Trump, was always engaged in some debate supporting him, etc etc. I consider that to be atypical of black women in the UK. If that woman was on here pushing her alt-right US Republican views I would assume she was white, all things being equal and without much else by way of context. I'd be wrong, but I wonder whether many people would call me prejudiced for that? There are clearly reasons I would have made that erroneous guess. I don't go about life ignoring all of my past observations. Same here with you, only this time I was right.

I certainly wasn't talking about black women. Your bringing that in makes me suspicious that you are trying to conflate issues. Let's not do that.*

And no, you were not correct. You assumed I was white. I am not fully white and I’m not fully black which means, that I am not accepted as either by people like yourself.

I assumed you were not black. I think I didn't go beyond that,but it's been awhile and I can't recall all of our exchanges. Now I think you are half white and half black. You said you were 'half'. I'm not here to argue the toss on your sense of racial self at all. I am defending my ability to speak as black woman on a board for black mumsnetters. Crucially, the reason I don't consider you to be black is because you told me so.

And yes very thankfully you don’t represent black women.

Again, agreed. But then I don't have to as I am a black woman. I just have to be myself to be valid here. There's nothing more that I need to do except, as I've heard said 'stay black and die'. Every black woman who has an opinion is not trying to 'represent' others, it's a shame we are often put in that corner, it's wearing. I can't remember any occasions where I have seen (presumably) white women on mumsnet telling each other they don't represent one another. Who is burdening them with that?

You’re condescending and prejudiced.

I disagree. My posts to you have not been very emotionally charged, but that's because I feel very tame about this subject. I don't have any hang ups or issues with my racial identity,or yours. But, you're entitled to your opinion on me, that's ok. I think prejudice includes a degree of dislike. I don't have that about you, or anyone else who considers themselves to be half or mixed etc so I don't think I am being prejudiced.

The black women I have as friends and in my family understand what I am and have accepted me as both black and white.

As they should, non?

As a person and human being and thankfully do not exclude me just because I say ‘I am HALF black’.

*I did not exclude you. Please see my comment about who posts here above. my concern is what people who do not consider themselves to be black do once they are on here.

I think being black is pretty hot ticket stuff. I love it, I instill that in my children. If people don't want to be considered so, that's all good with me. Black people don't need to stuff our category with lots of people who don't want to be there. We're not begging fren.

I really don't see what I have done wrong here. I respect your self-identification and so I consider you to be half black and half white. That is not the same as people who are going about life thinking of themselves as black, and I am one of those people.*

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Quaggars · 20/03/2022 14:50

I didn't see the original thread that the OP is about, but think this thread raises a good point.

Especially this doubt we'll ever know about the diversity of their workforce. But @MNHQ this is certainly something I would like to know.
And if your workforce is 'diverse' do those people who are not white, truly feel they have voice?
Some people on this thread seem to be saying it's their choice to moderate, what difference does it make if there aren't many black moderators, or indeed any?
When it makes perfect sense for the board to be all/ mainly black moderators.
As surely they'd be more in tune to what racism actually is as having experienced it themselves.
I mean, just on this thread you can see how easy it is to just not '' get it'' if you're white - example the ask more politely, be more respectful know your place type posts.
Hope you eventually got some answers OP

Lndnmummy · 26/03/2022 18:47

I have contacted mumsnet many times about this. My latest attempts to get clarity was this time last year.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4235727-Please-help-us-to-improve-Mumsnet-join-the-Mumsnet-Talk-Testing-Panel?pg=4 and also here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/black_mumsnetters/4251682-A-black-owned-social-media-channel.

I had a quick look today under the people section on linkedin, I think it explains alot...
www.linkedin.com/company/mumsnet

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