Will MNHQ allow criticism of their moderation of posts by black women from black MN members?

[Jamdown123]

Or are black MNers not allowed to critique the presumably largely white MNHQ. If so, I consider that to be in breach of their very rationale for the board, which they state to be 'primarily for the use of Black Mumsnetters'.

My posts, just as this one, have been respectful.

So, let's see if they also take down this post.

If so, I wonder whether they will inform me of why they have taken that action this time, seeing as I have heard nothing from them whatsoever so far.

In my opinion this behaviour is truly disgraceful. It certainly gives the impression that MNHQ have been caught out there.

[quote Tillsforthrills]@Jamdown123

Only black people can comment on an active thread in this section?[/quote]
Where did she say that?
She didn't.
She said:

I do wonder about people who aren't black ego are posting on here. What on earth is your life like for you to be in this space which has absolutely nothing to do with you? Don't you have better things to do? Money to make? Physical exercise to be had? Meditation to get in with?

Goady fuckers not welcome here.

I agree this topic probably shouldn't be in Active for the reasons the OP states.

I clicked on it without checking which topic it was in. I probably assumed it was Site Stuff.

Saw this in active. Thought twice about posting as I’m white but this will be my only comment on BMN I promise. I agree with PP that the responses here seem to be hackneyed dismissive “you’re hysterical” “be quiet, be small, know your place” type and really as you say it’s a bit farcical when that place you’re commenting is BMN itself. I don’t comment on BMN as I don’t think it should be a place where non-black people dip in and observe, criticise etc. Same as I wouldn’t want men doing that on a specifically women’s only thread. Or, I’m a lawyer and if I was on a lawyers forum for specific issues, I wouldn’t want non lawyers chipping in about how shit their old lawyer was or what they think lawyers ought to do etc. I imagine it’s exhausting and in going onto this topic posters expect a bit of a rest from that. Not that I think all black musmnetter have one group shared opinion or experience (not do all women (or lawyers or knitters ) but you know, a shared characteristic that is a common factor, and maybe an expectation of some shared understanding and a bit of a head start to certain discussions.

It was put forward that this section not be in active when it was first brought up. It was decided after discussion with the people that wanted the section that it should remain in active.

@WorraLiberty

I agree this topic probably shouldn't be in Active for the reasons the OP states.

I clicked on it without checking which topic it was in. I probably assumed it was Site Stuff.

Worral I think it's up to BMN posters to decide what they want to do re Active. Different views on here re Active, how do new mums find us for example?

People do post in mistake at times, they aren't the goady fuckers though are they? It's the ploppers who land, and then try and twist whats' being said on the board, often with no previous posting history under the name .

There's a pinned notice at the top of the BMN board. Most people "get it" like @SoupDragon.

This board exists primarily for the use of Black Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful

Some people post, not in error, but because they are racist arseholes.
They'll do that wherever this board is.

@Reusablebags

Saw this in active. Thought twice about posting as I’m white but this will be my only comment on BMN I promise. I agree with PP that the responses here seem to be hackneyed dismissive “you’re hysterical” “be quiet, be small, know your place” type and really as you say it’s a bit farcical when that place you’re commenting is BMN itself. I don’t comment on BMN as I don’t think it should be a place where non-black people dip in and observe, criticise etc. Same as I wouldn’t want men doing that on a specifically women’s only thread. Or, I’m a lawyer and if I was on a lawyers forum for specific issues, I wouldn’t want non lawyers chipping in about how shit their old lawyer was or what they think lawyers ought to do etc. I imagine it’s exhausting and in going onto this topic posters expect a bit of a rest from that. Not that I think all black musmnetter have one group shared opinion or experience (not do all women (or lawyers or knitters ) but you know, a shared characteristic that is a common factor, and maybe an expectation of some shared understanding and a bit of a head start to certain discussions.

I'm white and I agree with every word of this.

The SEN boards aren't in active convos and rightly so because when anyone without experience commented on them it very often caused hurt to those of is who needed support.

Btw I saw your original post op and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it at all fwiw

@FrippEnos

It was put forward that this section not be in active when it was first brought up. It was decided after discussion with the people that wanted the section that it should remain in active.

Ah sorry. I'm an idiot and posted too hastily,

I'm sorry that people don't respect this board. I won't post again.

All fair points @BlackandGreen, especially the goady name changers.

MNHQ 100% need to come down harder on them.

@Reusablebags

Saw this in active. Thought twice about posting as I’m white but this will be my only comment on BMN I promise. I agree with PP that the responses here seem to be hackneyed dismissive “you’re hysterical” “be quiet, be small, know your place” type and really as you say it’s a bit farcical when that place you’re commenting is BMN itself. I don’t comment on BMN as I don’t think it should be a place where non-black people dip in and observe, criticise etc. Same as I wouldn’t want men doing that on a specifically women’s only thread. Or, I’m a lawyer and if I was on a lawyers forum for specific issues, I wouldn’t want non lawyers chipping in about how shit their old lawyer was or what they think lawyers ought to do etc. I imagine it’s exhausting and in going onto this topic posters expect a bit of a rest from that. Not that I think all black musmnetter have one group shared opinion or experience (not do all women (or lawyers or knitters ) but you know, a shared characteristic that is a common factor, and maybe an expectation of some shared understanding and a bit of a head start to certain discussions.

Thanks for that, spot on. You don't have to promise. You get it, and we konw that many posters on MN, who are white, do.

It's the minority, who have to mark what they see as their territory. like a spraying cat. They are the people with the "issues".

I’m white so I don’t use this board often, I’ve sometimes clicked on when it’s been in active. I have to agree with the poster that said,

I hope they will take the opportunity to reflect on what they're doing with the Black Mumsnet board and why they constantly allow it to be overrun by fragile white people.

I think every time I’ve seen a post on black mumsnetters in active it’s because this has happened. And then it gets deleted. I’m glad you’re taking a stand on this OP.

As for the original thread that I’m fairly sure is the one that started all this, I didn’t see an issue at all. OP explained the reasons for wanting what she did and it made sense to me.

Good luck OP.

It's the minority, who have to mark what they see as their territory. like a spraying cat. They are the people with the "issues".

You'll never stop those though.

You'll never stop those though.
So no point in removing BMN from Active then, is my personal view.

Which brings us back to: robust moderation.

Anyway, this is Jamdown's thread. I digress.

I agree that the black MNers board does routinely get overrun with whingeing white posters and taking it off Active Threads might be an excellent idea.

However this
"The second, the idea that I'm an employer is a farce, so I don't need to stick with any employment laws. I'm also not offering a service myself, so I'm not barring anyone access. I can do whatever the heck I like in my own home, and if that means pushing some money towards black business, then I can, and will"
is factually inaccurate. If you're hiring a nanny then you're an employer, and legally, in theory, you need to abide by the full range of employment law, be that national insurance, sick leave, or non-discrimination in hiring practice. In practice many people don't abide by these rules, as any male or black nanny will tell you, but MNHQ can't really leave up a thread encouraging people to break the law.

Looking specifically for a black childminder would be different - in that case you would simply be a consumer buying a service from a business, and would be free to apply any criteria you liked in picking them.

MN really doesn’t have a brilliant history with racism, tbh. It’s not long since posters used to howl with glee on a weekly basis because a toddler would ask a black man why they were dipped in chocolate.

The response to posters asking for this board was like nothing I’ve seen before, and it still regularly gets posters outraged about its existence.

I've never told anyone to "know your place", nor would I

I merely suggested that posting repeated threads about a grievance that you've already raised with MNHQ - without said threads even giving any indication of what your problem is - isn't the best way to open a reasonable dialogue.

Having done a bit of digging (I never post in BMN as a rule, because I am white and don't want to intrude) I assume it's about the "black nannies" thread? If MNHQ deleted it, then I think they're wrong this time, for the record. It seems a perfectly reasonable thing for a black family to ask for, IMO. I wouldn't have ventured that opinion, however, had I not been accused of trying to put black women in their place. I would assume my opinion wasn't wanted.

I'd probably tone down the high-handedness and try for a reasonable dialogue, if I were you

@sadpapercourtesan, whether you want or mean to or not, this is steeped in racism and prejudice.

But it isn't. At all. I have said the same many times to posters who have flown off the handle over thread/post deletions and clogged up Active Conversations with repeat threads about it. Have also had similar said to me, when I was younger and more hot-tempered. Not every criticism of a black poster is racist.

Steeped in racism and racist are slightly different.

Intentionally or otherwise, you told a black woman to know her place.

I did no such thing.

@sadpapercourtesan

what you said has nothing to do with race

Except that it was on Black Mumsnetters and thus has everything to do with race.

There is a salient history here to do with subservience, to do with how black women are perceived (anyone see the Dispatches show earlier this year about how black women are more likely to die in childbirth? A big factor was when black women try to raise concerns they are told they are ‘aggressive’) and superiority.

But, no, nothing to do with race, silly me

@BlackandGreen

She stated that non black people shouldn’t post here. That’s fine btw.

I think there may be a lot of ‘goady fuckers’ thank you very much but you’re making out anyone is and trying to turn anyone who asks genuine questions and dialogue as an automatic racist.

@sadpapercourtesan but why do "digging" on something that has nothing to do with you? Why insist on your opinion, when it is not what the OP has asked for? Why? Your opinion in this situation is not needed/wanted. It.is.not.about.you

@Lndnmummy

She’s not though she’s simply defending herself from being labelled racist. She’s ‘allowed’ to do that.

Because I was accused of trying to put a black woman in her place - which is something I have never done, and would never do. At that point I felt I had a stake in the conversation which I wouldn't previously have assumed.