Will MNHQ allow criticism of their moderation of posts by black women from black MN members?

[Jamdown123]

Or are black MNers not allowed to critique the presumably largely white MNHQ. If so, I consider that to be in breach of their very rationale for the board, which they state to be 'primarily for the use of Black Mumsnetters'.

My posts, just as this one, have been respectful.

So, let's see if they also take down this post.

If so, I wonder whether they will inform me of why they have taken that action this time, seeing as I have heard nothing from them whatsoever so far.

In my opinion this behaviour is truly disgraceful. It certainly gives the impression that MNHQ have been caught out there.

[quote Tillsforthrills]@Lndnmummy

She’s not though she’s simply defending herself from being labelled racist. She’s ‘allowed’ to do that.[/quote]
She would be better off taking this opportunity to reflect and respect other's opinions about it.

Se doesn't have to, but it does point to a staggering lack of curiosity.

It is hard to admit you have made a blunder in situations like this, even those that feel public, when they are actually anonymous.

But the poster needs to take a moment otherwise she can't ever learn from this. If I were her, Would be on my 3rd our 4th lesson by now, looking at her posts and the responses to them, and I'm not a genius of any sort.

[quote Tillsforthrills]@BlackandGreen

That’s so funny, you haven’t a leg to stand on! I’ve been respectful and always am no matter who I’m talking to. Your comments were disgraceful and untrue, name calling and hypocritical then you get offended when people are rude back to you.[/quote]
Being respectful is not a lack of blaspheme alone.

You are not being respectful just by being on this board. It exists primarily for black women. You are making this about you and people who are not black. therein lies the lack of respect.

I would love if you would go and never come back. But, I'm not telling you what to do.

@sadpapercourtesan

There were two threads in Active, being frequently bumped, with the theme being MNHQ's moderation policy - that seemed fairly generic to me, and of interest since I've been here for nearly 20 years and had several run-ins with MNHQ myself. The comment I offered had absolutely nothing to do with race, and everything to do with MNHQ's response time/the efficacy of posting repetitive non-specific complaints while waiting for them to act.

There isn't a racism story here, sorry folks. Merry Christmas

Nope. I mentioned black women in the thread title every time.

maybe racism I some goes so deep that they literally can't see the words 'black women' when they are in black and white on a screen, let alone respect black women's lives.

@sadpapercourtesan

I'm not sure what point you think you're making now but yes, I've had several usernames and this is the one I'm using now.

I of course didn't refer to anyone as "uppity", nor did I use the reductive and insulting phrase "little madam", nor tell anyone to "know your place". But keep telling yourself stories, as they're clearly much more interesting than the actual truth.

high-handed /hʌɪˈhandɪd/ adjective adjective: high-handed; adjective: highhanded using power or authority without considering the feelings of others. "a fairly high-handed decision"

@sadpapercourtesan

I understand what you're trying to say. I don't struggle with reading comprehension, nor am I unfamiliar with the "angry black woman" trope and all the baggage it comes with. Inconveniently, however, you are just wrong on this occasion. I have made the same criticisms on other boards, to posters of other races, and had them said to me. That's just objectively true. There isn't any prejudice, unconscious or otherwise, in what I posted, however much you would like there to be.

Ah, so you have a habit of going around telling women to be smaller, to be quiet, to say less?

You are really not helping yourself at all.

[quote MrsTerryPratchett]@BlackandGreen the pinned stuff is there if you look but not if you go in through Active or on the app. Maybe it needs to pop up every time someone comes into a thread so we know. Or like Sex you have to be a member for a certain amount of time to post.

FWR have been dealing with this for a long time. A combination of trolls and arseholes who say ignorant, sexist things and pick times when MNHQ are asleep. We talk about cake recipes. But it's fucking tiresome.

I thought the OP was a troll TBF. For a couple of reasons. I can see why MNHQ did. Like @SoupDragon I apologise for posting if it's unwanted. Also white![/quote]
MNHQ did not think I was a troll. I posted only once, my OP which kicked off the thread.

Posters who are not black came on and trolled - so MNHQ took the post down.

I haven't trolled anyone in my life. I have several children to raise and shit to do.

Thanks.

You've just posted 9 times in succession. I would respectfully suggest that you're not helping yourself much either at this point.

It’s her thread.

That isn't really how the internet works...

@sadpapercourtesan

You've just posted 9 times in succession. I would respectfully suggest that you're not helping yourself much either at this point.

It was 9 separate responses!

What on earth is your problem?

I would respectfully suggest that you're not helping yourself at this point.

Believe it or not @sadpapercourtesan I’ve no interest in having a row with you, but ‘respectfully suggesting’ a black woman STFU because you might not like the message she’s posting (on black Mumsnetters) isn’t actually reflecting brilliantly on you either. I’m busy: it’s Christmas Eve, and you’re not going to get it.

You're right; I don't believe you. Rarely have I come across a poster so openly pugnacious.

I didn't tell her to STFU, btw; but you seem to derive a lot of satisfaction from putting words in people's mouths, given that this is at least the third time you've done it to me today, so you crack on

It's entirely reasonable on MN for the OP to post a bunch of separate replies to points made by various different posters. You don't see OPs doing it all the time, but if they're busy with other things and then find themselves with a slot of time to respond then it's perfectly normal behaviour.

You've just posted 9 times in succession. I would respectfully suggest that you're not helping yourself much either at this point

OK, @sadpapercourtesan, what did you want her to do, then?

Stop throwing around unfounded accusations, perhaps? That's my only concern here.

No, I’m not letting you off that easily - sorry.

At no point did you say that post is unfounded, you said You've just posted 9 times in succession. I would respectfully suggest that you're not helping yourself much either at this point

Inference - you’re posting too much. Stop. Be quiet.

Of course if that’s NOT what you mean, fair enough but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that is how it came across.

@Jamdown123

I’m half black. I don’t agree with how you’ve spoken to me because you presumed I’m white.
For all your looking up words and what they mean, just look back on this thread and see how you speak to people, you do not represent me.

I haven't trolled anyone in my life. I have several children to raise and shit to do.

Sorry, I should have said, I don't believe you're a troll now. But I did think the OP could have been a dog-whistle troll making some point about 'reverse racism'. For clarity, not something I believe in!

@sadpapercourtesan
You are, however, accusing me of something I have not done, because it better serves the "white women on MN are all racist" narrative you're invested in.

I don't think anyone has said anything like "white women on MN are all racist". Take it from their perspective though.
This part of the site has been designated as the place for black people to discuss issues that may be more specific to their demographic.
A non-black person (you) has gone out of their way to enter this part of a site and police the tone of someone expressing a grievance and asking for clarity.
Your opinion wasn't relevant to the topic or requested and despite seeing the topic in other sections of the site you chose to respond in the "Black Mumsnetter" section.
Can you at least see how that would look to someone who isn't you?

Hmm, I feel like any disagreement or indeed any questioning or defending of one’s self is often labelled as racism on this board. I don’t post on here because I understand and respect that often black women’s issues and experiences are unknowable to me and I would hate to be so patronising as to think I could hold any sensible opinion on their lives and specific experiences. I never understood why some people were resistant to the board, I thought it was a perfectly normal and understandable request and nothing particularly note worthy. Why wouldn’t WOC want a space to discuss their specific issues?

That said when these threads appear in active I do read them and find the hostility quite shocking at times, though informative. It’s certainly helped me to see what I had considered to be friendliness and openness from myself is probably not welcome from many of my black work colleagues and I may well be causing irritation and offence and them to feel patronised without me realising. So I am definitely more guarded than I used to be and aware of causing discomfort.

I do think the board would be better off hidden as those who it was created for seem resentful and are quick to see off any white woman who posts, even accidentally, but I suspect that some really enjoy being able to do that and tell them they’re racist, mostly with impunity.

@YungWaffle

Here’s what happened, without adding or taking away.

This post came up in active for the WW in question. She suggested (not told anyone to sit down, STFU, know your place) that as the OP was having trouble with MN how she could try placate MNHQ.

Yes this may be unfortunate, the choice of words may be unfortunate because they were easily twisted.

The posts she got in response are utter BS.

Don’t assume everyone’s white, don’t assume they’re racist or deeply steeped in racism and don’t know it, when it’s clearly not the case.

Of course righteous anger is needed at times, I agree with that. But the way it was twisted, the way she was accused and the nasty comments i got aimed at me are inexcusable.

@LondonWolf

Unfortunately I have to agree here.

Woman to woman it’s important to be able to say things in a way others can learn if necessary without the hostility.

I fear with the responses here, the white women who genuinely care, are respectful and have questions will be too scared to because of the strong current of hostility and being told their knowingly or unknowingly racist, but definitely racist either way.

OP - I saw the other thread, but was unfortunately too busy that day to post, and when I came back in the evening to do so, the thread had gone...
Anyway, my close friend provides one of the culturally-specific services mentioned on that thread, and she finds clients/clients find her through Facebook, and FB cultural groups/boards (sorry- I don't have FB, so not sure how it's organised!), So maybe that would work for you, if you have a particular cultural heritage/identity that there are groups for? Good luck

There isn't a racism story here, sorry folks. Merry Christmas fsmile

No, but it's one of poking your nose in where its not wanted or needed. And a huge dose of entitlement. And it gets fkn boring. We don't care about your opinion.

Merry Christmas back atcha 🎄

I don’t post on here because I understand and respect that often black women’s issues and experiences are unknowable to me and I would hate to be so patronising

Yet, here you are