Victoria’s Secret ‘Karen’

[anewdispensation]

I came across this today and I am in awe at this lady who tried to attack a black woman thrice but upon realising she was being filmed put on the display of her life.

While it is funny, it is no laughing matter as black people have been killed for less. Even while she’s clearly being the aggressor, people are telling the black woman to stop filming and move away from her including the mall security and police.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/07/14/moment-victorias-secret-karen-attacks-black-woman-and-panics-14929801/amp/

If the black lady had stopped filming then there would be people making excuses for the white woman and coming up with crazy scenarios about what happened after the video ended. Eg the white woman apologizing

The black woman did 100% the right thing filming until the end and it's not her responsibility to judge if the white woman was high, mentally ill or whatever

We all know what would have happened if the races were reversed. White women's tears are obviously worth more than other women's tears.

@Cookofcastamar it says it all about how they view black people doesn’t it. From the video with the police statement it seems they were quite dismissive even after seeing all the evidence and having to admit the white lady was at fault.

That's the difference between having friends and living with family

There is also a difference between being a black woman yourself and having black members in your family.

However that seems to pass some posters by.....

Of course there's a difference.

Anyway, you can carry on using Karen, Abigail, Tawny as an insult but misogyny demeans all women. Is that what you want?

Thanks for whitesplaining, misogyny to BMN Tawny
We never knew.

Are you lying on your handbag in a Mall in NJ by any chance?

I need my other specs, random commas in my posts.
Apologies to any pedants looking in.

Whitesplaining? Oh god!

“ I found the filming of a clearly very distressed - possibly mentally ill - woman disturbing. It went on too long and I would question the motives of the woman filming.”

It is obvious that the victim filmed so that if questioned she can prove her story. It is disturbing that you don't believe the victim tbh. Did the police and store check that the victim was ok or did they assume it?

Maybe the victim has mental health issues and doesn't need an aggressive white woman being in her face? Why is there so little concern for the victim? Just because she's not crying etc, it doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve concern.

Why is it always assumed that the white woman is mentally ill in cases like this and that she's not a racist bitch who normally gets away with acting like this? It might be an uncomfortable truth on this female dominated forum but men aren't the only ones making women's lives miserable. Why do some always say that the white person's behaviour is due to being filmed?

These incidents are clearly filmed because people don't believe the victim when the aggressor is a white woman and the victim is black. Some people are full of excuses or hypothetical "what if.." "but..." when they'd want to be believed if it happened to them.

The person filming can't win- film and they are accused of inflaming the situation, don't film and people (including women!) don't believe it happened. You can't argue with a recording and I totally understand why people would do this to protect themselves.

@TawnyPipit

I have black friends. It doesn’t mean I have any idea of what they have to put up with on a daily basis

That's the difference between having friends and living with family

I found the filming of a clearly very distressed - possibly mentally ill - woman disturbing. It went on too long and I would question the motives of the woman filming.

So you don't care about the victim here at all, do you? I think you are incredibly obvious and all you say to me is "I care about white women but not black women but you all need to support what I think is right."

@TawnyPipit

Whitesplaining? Oh god!

Black women have faced misogynistic naming in the media long long before it happened to white women.

It's disturbing that Tawny can not see that attitudes like hers are why women are reluctant to report crimes like sexual assault and rape. What happened to "we believe you "?

Absolutely shocking video. That poor, poor woman. She handled the situation really well. I'd have filmed someone who tried to attack me until I felt safe. Appalling that the white woman has seemingly gotten away with attempted assault.

I've been approached by people who may be drunk or high and I've smiled or laughed at what they said as a defence mechanism. If they think I'm friendly or nice they might leave me alone sort of thing.

No idea why the video was posted - it could be because people were discussing this local on SM and the victim wanted to show the truth, or it could be someone who received the video wanting to show the world what sort of incidents happen without provocation to black victims. Maybe the white woman or her family posted accusations and lies on SM and this was to refute their version of events?

FWIW the first hypothesis is because on our local SM we've had incidents where someone posts police outside the big supermarket and the story of what happened gets bigger and further from the truth very quickly. I've also seen false accusations being made online with businesses or individuals having to post proof. Why it was posted isn't important imo. The lack of concern for the victim is. If that was me, I'd not want the aggressor getting off Scott-free and my story being doubted

I once said "they got the bastard " regarding a police report I read. Shocking. I'll come quietly Officer.

Referring to an aggressor as "a bitch" on reading a police report, when you are the victim, is not an arrestable offence.
( Not in New Jersey anyway)

Although pp seems to think it's proof of something or other.

kmt

TawnyPipit

What is your motive here?

I bet the police say variations on gotcha too. Why are you tying yourself in knots trying to blame a person who was just trying to shop for some undies?

@Wroxie

So I've just been told about this section through a lovely PM - thanks, lovely PM friend!

Anyone seen this thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4307349-To-think-the-name-Karen-is-only-considered-misogynistic-because-it-refers-to-white-women?pg=25

I've tried to explain some basic racism 101 topics just because I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess, and because as a Black American in the UK I feel like I can offer some perspective on a term and a concept that's crossed the pond... let's just say I've not really found my audience and now some heifer has popped up to accuse me of not being a woman and calling me a fantasist for explaining the history that has let up to the current racist Karen stereotype.

I guess I really should Stop Talking to White People About Race.

Hahahaha, welcome to the board. You made me laugh with 'lets just say I've not found my audience'. Yes, the 'feminists' on Mumsnet are...... let's say 'different'. All they care about are things that affect white women and hating trans people. It's not worth wasting your breath.

We all know what would have happened if the races were reversed. White women's tears are obviously worth more than other women's tears.

This twitter thread is a good example of the weaponisation of WWT. Try and read past the typos in the first couple of tweets

twitter.com/IEMcElroy/status/1420371521181265920?s=19

@TawnyPipit

I have black friends. It doesn’t mean I have any idea of what they have to put up with on a daily basis

That's the difference between having friends and living with family

I found the filming of a clearly very distressed - possibly mentally ill - woman disturbing. It went on too long and I would question the motives of the woman filming.

I'm white...I watched the video. I do not condone the white woman's behaviour at all. Now if I encountered her I would have stopped filming and just left the shop... however my reaction would have been a result of white privilege. I'm not scared of police. I am not worried I'll be disbelieved. I have faith that if challenged I'd explain my side of the story and be believed. So whether the woman was genuinely mentally unwell or faking it, I believe the black woman was entirely sensible to continue filming.

Here we go

The black woman is the victim here. Let’s not whitewash that, if the shoe was on the other foot would posters fall over themselves in support of the “clearly unwell black woman”. No they would not. Even.when.caught.on.camera. there is endless whataboutery from THEM. And by THEM I unequivocally mean all you OTHER RACIST KARENS OUT THERE. Yes YOU. I mean YOU

@Wroxie welcome . Been looking for you

@RedMarauder

That's the difference between having friends and living with family

There is also a difference between being a black woman yourself and having black members in your family.

However that seems to pass some posters by.....

@RedMarauder 100%. I’m so acutely aware of this. Every single time I post on this board this is at the forefront f of my mind. I hear you. And I just want you to know I hear you and I’m so wary of this very thing.

@TawnyPipit

I have black friends. It doesn’t mean I have any idea of what they have to put up with on a daily basis

That's the difference between having friends and living with family

I found the filming of a clearly very distressed - possibly mentally ill - woman disturbing. It went on too long and I would question the motives of the woman filming.

I sadly know of many people in mixed race relationships who hold very questionable views on race. To share a few examples. “My in-laws are not very articulate, you know they try but well you know...” Somehow I’m supposed to know what they mean? Why?! Because I’m supposed to share the view that they are somehow superior to their black in-laws? Think you are looking at the wrong person for allegiance there. Other examples “I’m uncomfortable about the children being raised too black”?!? Like wtaf does that mean?! The list goes on and on and on. Closeness to blackness does not give you a free pass. I think white middle class women in mixed race relationships often get it wrong. They perhaps mean well but their white privilege makes them soo entitled they truly believe that their culture is superior. I’ll never forget when my mother-in-law said to me when I was pregnant. She said “its a black man you are going to have to raise you know. He won’t be one of you. You might think so but he won’t be. He’ll be black and your best bet is to raise him that way. It’s us who’ll welcome him. It’s with us he’ll feel true belonging. You’ll see”. She was right, so many times over the years i think about that talk. I come back to it often. She has been my ultimate rock over the years and my First go to for any worries about my boys. She’ll always have our back. She never doubts me, never questions me. Always the same reassuring “no bother with dem shuh, dem no good you hear? You let John carry on with him business and no bother with John”.