PESH Deli - Taking the B out of BESH

[skihorse]

A new thread for the gabbers.

Hopefully we will find out during the course of this thread whether dear cheggers has laid a baybee or two yet!

Hey hey witty, fantastic news!

PMSL @ bras. I found a diddy little tiny thing in the back of a drawer which must be about 10 years old. All pink and pretty... Mum bought me some nice things after LC was born (not as weird as it sounds!) and I tried them on - not a bloody hope and they were bought after my milk came in last time.

Just had a convo with one wrinkly about MP after the discussions this morning. She's going to have a convo with t'other and see where we get to.

cos my apologies, I think I misinterpreted your post as saying, "My husband knows a hell of a lot about labour and don't you realise that you're gonna kill babies with all this lavender fields talk". I'm really sorry, just being over-sensitive. I need a cup of tea and some lunch .

So going back to a sensible discussion which I realise is what you thought we were having , I really do empathise with your husband as having seen what he's seen it must be really tough to chill about things. Maybe he could have a discussion with your midwife to talk through things which concern him? My mum delivered hundreds of babies, and (thank goodness) all are either fine, or, if not, damage was waaaay before birth (eg Downs etc), and of course every MW you deal with will be the same. They're usually really good at being reassuring. What's your and his perspective on having a doula?

Take a look at the link I sent which has some useful info on alternatives to internals. I think my POV comes from two personal experiences - 1) They're more painful than labour and 2) They are not really indicative of labour progression as things can slow down and speed up - it's just not linear - and being told you're "only" 4 or whatever is really downheartening (is that a word?) which itself can affect progression.

My other concern is the whole thing of not letting a woman labour in the time it takes her to do so. Convenience delivery is so prevalent over here and causes so many problems.

Hey chaps,

Great news about your scan, witty!

I started out as an F cup pre pregnancy. Went to Bravissimo the other day and got fitted and bought a bigger size

I only get statutory mat pay here in the not for profit sector. Wah!

[http://www.theportlandhospital.com/news-press-detail.asp?q=55
Open Pregnancy Day]] at the Portland next month. With goodie bags!

I have told my boss I'm preggo and he's asked me to keep it quiet til the end of the week. (internal politics reasons). Cant wait to "come out" so I can start wearing maternity clothes to the office ... At 17 weeks my bump has suddenly arrived!

LOl, I see, no what I was trying to say was he knows what commonly goes wrong and his answer is monitoring but I don't want the constant trace etc, so what is the alternative. I'll check out the link at home later and have a look. I can so understand that being told you're "only 4cm" or what ever must be soul destroying

He's halfway between totally chilled that I can do this - because after all the vast majority of births are fine, and half total panic, so we're just both hoping chilled wins out on the day!

we haven't discussed a doula at all tbh, it hadn't even crossed our minds.

That link again

www.theportlandhospital.com/news-press-detail.asp?q=55

skates am so going to that open day!

I'm having a doula I'm having a doula

But but how much does birthing at the Portland cost?? I wanna go!

skates/iggy it would almost be worth paying the train fare to London to go to that

Nice pic panda. I have packed away all my 34Bs for use after delivery. Am I being a bit naive?

(am annoyed that while I have gone up to a D, the bump below makes them look more like an A, and I can't push 'em up and show 'em off because the bad skin/veins look hideous and maternity bras hardly maximise your cleavage

Bored. I have so much work to do but my enthusiams drops as each day passes. Just want to plan my house move and indulge in all things pregnancy and baby related. Farewell ambition, I shall remember you fondly...

cunty there is a price list on their website - but bear in mind the consultant costs too... but the MW led unit gets excellent reviews and they do an all inclusive package for £8k link

cos could you possibly run to an IM? There's a great one near us and they're supported by another team in the North of our county. She charges about £3k which includes all ante-natal and about 10 weeks follow up I think (rather than the 10 days from the NHS). My friend has used their Northern colleagues for two babies and says they're truly wonderful. They can go into hospital with you if you choose a hospital birth (or have to have one).

The reason I suggest this is that she is more highly trained than a doula and it's sort of like having a monitor with you all the time, without interfering, if that makes sense!! But a doula would be fantastic if not, and they're very well trained, too, and much cheaper! And you're not paying for stuff you may not want.

Or, it may be worth seeing if the local IM would just do your delivery?

Just some suggestions...

casper they'll stick around after the bump's gone, don't worry!

Goodie bag worth £50.00?? I will be there!

Just found a local doula I like the look of from her website. She's not fully registered and shiz, so can only charge expenses (£200 package for two AN visits, on-call for labour, stays throughout, and one PN visit, unlimite phone and email support)

SFF not convinced on the spend, but says if I want I can have. I just really want someone to be there while I am labouring at home (would not want to drag him from shift in case labour is really long and we essentially waste a big chunk his brief paternity leave)and to stick up for me if necessary in hospital. That would be SFF's job, but what if he descends into an uncharacteristic panic?

I don't know. I am just wanting this because it's yet another thing I can do, or do I actually need it? And what if I find that she just pisses me off on the day? Answers on a postcard...

cas if she pisses you off on the day, tell her to piss off. Although it's SFF's job to be all calm and stuff, in reality when he doesn't know exactly what's happening (given he's not had all the training - how can he - even with the best will) it's going to be totally disorientating and horrible. I have to say that despite everything, my ex was REALLY grateful for having my mum around with LC (and they didn't get on). She really helped him and in turn he was then real able to help me.

All I can say to you and everyone is, if I didn't have my mum, I'd have at least a doula if not an indie.

ghostie Hom was v sceptical but I brooked no argument. This is about you and your doula will be all about you, and will take the stress and responsibility for your welfare off SFF, allow him some downtime for food/fresh air without leaving you on your own. £200 is a small price to apy for someone who will be massaging you, breathing with you, help you relax and focus and communicating your wishes to the medical staff. Worth its weight in gold. Put it this way, I would rather shell out and feel she was surplus to requirements, than not shell out and regret it bitterly.

In other, sadder news, a friend of mine just texted to say she went for her 12 week scan to find her baby had died at 11 weeks . She told me the other day she had felt a bit symptom-free the past week or so, but I was busy reassuring her it's normal, etc. Bless her - it was completely unplanned (she has PCOS and thought she wouldn't be fertile) as a result of a lapse in contraception with her long term-ish partner, but she was just beginning to be really excited and she was coming to me for advice and everything. I'm so . What a shitty turn of events.

Oh tuesday how terribly sad.

Very sad. Hearing things like this terrifies me.

I've just spoken to her - she's fairly philosophical, but you might have thought at 11 weeks you were home and dry There but for the grace of god go we...

cokie don't be worried. The chances are everything is fine

So sorry for her cunty rots 3k?? not a hope in hell of affording that

cunty How horrible for the poor girl.

I'm sorry to put this here but there are a disproportionate number of you who are horsey. I nipped up to the stables after work for a sit in the sun with the girls and a gossip. All the horses were in the sand school and Ginger was flirting with Captain Erection - as in not letting any of the other horses near him. Everything was fine for about 10 minutes then I looked at her and couldnt' work out why her near-fore was pink, it looked like it'd been dipped in wet paint. Then it dawned on my she was bleeding - quite profusely but still running around and not lame. I ran to get a headcollar but the girls wouldn't let me go in and get her because they were being daft. Eventually got her out - I have never seen so much blood come out of a horse! Big arterial wound on the coronet exactly where the horn starts - I can only imagine someone with shoes stomped on her. Blood spurting out like having left a bottle of coke on its side. I grabbed my medical kit and put pressure on it which eased the bleeding (good sign). We bandaged it up and called the vet out - he's said she's not dog-food (yet) but not out of the woods. The wound itself was deep enough for him to stick his fingers in and he's cut the flap (2 inches by half an inch) of horn which was hanging off. The problem is going to be what will it be like in 4 weeks when the horn starts growing out... will it grow out or will she have a hole? Ffs, like I need this right now. She's had antibiotics & painkillers and he's coming back saturday to take a look. It's in a fairly easy to keep clean area but I'm just dreading the re-growth. On the plus side because she's barefoot her hooves are in excellent nick with "couldn't be better" bloodflow but I hate this waiting game.

cunty so sorry for your friend. My heart goes out to her.

Thanks for your words re doula. I'm still not decided myself. There is still a bit of me that think I'm probably only considering it because I can. Our NHS teams seem great and the maternity service has won so much praise. One of the perks of not being in a big city I suppose. will think on...

Hope your girl heals up okay ski.

Ski that sounds deeply unpleasant for your poor horse. I hope all is ok. Not to make light of it, but when Mr Moo asked what's new on mumsnet tonight I said your horse had a bleeding horn, well you can imagine his not very funny response.

Cunty god your poor poor friend. I can't even imagine how awful that must be - and I'm 3 weeks away from 11 weeks. Had she had any scans prior to that which might have given any indication?

EVERYONE thank you for your really really helpful answers on the great shutter debate we are having in our house. Which is only equalled by the debate about what floor the baby goes on. I wanted the top floor (we live in a 3 storey terrace) as the room is bigger and has built in cupboards but everyone says I'm daft and will get fed up climbing up and down... so I guess we'll go with the other room which has the heating and no hanging space as it's like an airing cupboard. Oh the trivial dilemmas of my life.

Pandy most chucklesome at your brassiere pics... although I know from personal experience that those Fantasie strapless boulder holders are literally the most revolting supporters of hooters on the market. I have a nude one which is so ugly but very good at not making my tits hang round my belly button (god imagine what they're going to be like in 9 months). Oh well Mr Moo can't complain as he's had plenty o' fun with them til now. He keeps looking at them when we go to bed saying "cor!" like some 14 year old adolescent.

Poor Salander vomming at 4am. If it makes you feel any better I was letting my doggy out at that time for wee wees. We are trying to train him to go later 5 minutes at a time. I'm hoping we will have got to 7am by the time November comes around! Jaysus. If we could stick a nappy on him it would be marvellous.

Oh and after my frigid preggo status last night... here's TMI: I had a bloody orgasm in my sleep last night (happens sometimes when I've had a dry spell bit like a wet dream I spose) and I had these weird contracting feelings in my uterus. Not painful but enough to wake me up from my quite nice slumbering!! Hope that hasn't put anyone off their dinner. I guess it's all the extra bloodflow downstairs...

was it something I said????

Christ ski I'm so sorry That's a Tuesday afternoon side swipe I guess she's stable bound now? What a nightmare and what terrible timing. I'm trying to visualise the injury. It's ripped off the back of the hoof? Bizarre it's fore - how did the other horse get there - what a freak accident. The artery is stable then and isn't affecting the blood to the area?
She's got a fantastic chance of being absolutely fine. It's not like a tendon or something, and once it's healed, it's healed. I wish you were local - I would be very happy to help look after her. Do you have anyone who can help you? Oh ski, I'm so sorry

Just watching OBEM and there's a baby there born at 23 weeks. That's, like, where me, ski, cas and iggs are. I didn't even think they were viable until 24+. She's just SO tiny. Her feet are about 1/2 the length of my finger.

carrots No, it's at the front which from a heel pov is much better and of course it's as far off the ground as a hoof injury can get! she must've had a collision with someone else or been stamped on. I thought maybe it was the boy she'd been stuck to like a limpet but he doesn't have shoes either so no way is it him. I've calmed down a bit about it and it seems that a lateral "hole" in a hoof is far, far less serious than a vertical split. If there is any lateral gap, it's not likely to be a gap, more like a softer, thinner wall. So what I'll do is get it filled with a resin and covered in a mesh. Good job she was never going to be in hard work this summer! Artery is absolutely fine now, bandage off thursday evening for a look-see but I'm not expecting anything bad. She's not on box-rest, I am so anti that you would not believe - but, she won't be going out with the others and she'll not be going out in the paddock (too muddy), it'll be sandschool only. If she wants to run around so be it - I'll worry but at least I'll know she's not in pain!

honeymoo Apparently sleep orgasms are "normal" in pregnancy - I've not had any. But awake orgasms at first made me a bit crampy and now they make Julian furious - he starts banging on the walls hahah!

switty I'm so glad it's all progressing in such a positive manner and great news about there being no (obvious) reason for the bleeding - that must be a tremendous relief.