Due March 2010 - "Hello Baby... Goodbye Pelvic Floor"

[Arcadie]

Welcome to the March Preggos. Here's hoping we see nearly 1000 posts before anyone pops!

just joining this thread baby due either 10/3 or 13/3 so 35+2 or 34+6 baby number 8
baby still breech has been turning until about 2 weeks ago now seems stuck in breech position see mw on thursday to discuss options not sure whether to try ecv if this ladys not for turning .elcs would be difficult as with the other children not being able to drive lift although the thought of having to delegate the hoovring etc for a few weeks is also a pleasant thought etc not great although id get too see baby sooner rather than later which at this stage is very appealing also dont need to worry going in to labour with dh at work and or having to organise a baby sitter etc.
worried about risks of ecv to baby as lost one at 18 weeks a few years ago and dont want to go through that or worse again especially as now in my 40s this feels like my last chance as i dont think i could face the general anxiety of another pregnancy but i think i said that last time or a fifth mc.
on the plus side insomnia not to bad and very few irritating late pregnancy symptoms

welcome momof7plus4!!!!! c ongrats you brave woman!!!!!

Hello
just popping in. I understand that the baby can slip in and out of enagement but this is less likely in your first preg. In fact advice on being on all foors cleaning floors etc to trn a badly positioned baby are to enourage jus that and to give the baby space to turn.

welcom madwomenmumof7! Hope the baby turns for you.If you've problem free deliveries before te consultant would be happy I'm sre for you to try for a vaginal delivery regardless of the breech. I did (unsuccessfully mind) for my breeched DS1.

I will be taking PD's route for future contraception - DH had volunteered to do the decent thing! ?Actually he doesn't trust me. We've been forunate to be fertile and DH seems to be sneeze for me to be up duff. In fact last year really brke the odds of 1/10000 and fell pregnant with the Mirena coil in situ.

If it wasn;'t for that thought I wouldn;t be expecting my DC3 now though!

It all feel a lot mor real today - we apent yesterda getting all the baby stuff down from the attic. I forgotten just how small everything is!

right back to the mountain of washing and cleaning. We have a viewing in an hour of the house and as fast as I can tidy the boys are trailing around after me emptying buckets of toys. b£$£sta%^rds

Please buy my house

Morning ladies - just checking in really. I wrote a big long post last night with lots of comments and then DH phoned and I got distracted and somehow lost it all so I'm not going to go through it all again.
Not much happening here, checklist is currently:
insomnia - bad
heartburn - terrible
feeling like baby is going to drop out very soon - high
grumpy - very
toddler started to get clingy and wanting cuddles and picked up all the time - check
carpal tunnel - shooting pains up one thumb a lot of the time
swelling - fingers seem to swell up in the evening so I take wedding/engagement rings off but okay again in the morning
stretch marks - not pretty!
Nobby styles - woo hoo not got that one!
waves hello to all the late joiners and sympathetic waves to the oldies who have grumbles.
pureeandpearls and mumsbot how exciting to have dates set, not long to go now pixie you still hanging in there?
We haven't heard from EmlouT since her last scan - I'm hoping she's okay and wondering if baby had to come out after all ?

Hey BPM good luck with the viewing, it must be hard work keeping it ship shape for viewings with DC and trying to get organised for the new arrival too.
My understanding of engagement is the same as you describe.
I also meant to say I'd go for the social weekend in London rather than a course mummyelk.
I thought I wanted an active birth but like pacific describes I wanted to be lying down. My head was splitting and I just wanted to keep horizontal. No ball bouncing or squatting for me!
Any second timers writing a birth plan?
I'm not sure it's worth bothering about.
Contraception DH not keen on snip, me not keen on pill, coil not recommended cos of history of EP but TBH sex drive was very, very low whilst BF so condoms were adequate but probably need to think about a longer term plan.

So so true abot low sex drive whilst bf. I was trying to coerce DH last night (unsuccessfully, he promised me this morning but DS1 had snuck in the night).

I told him it was his last few weeks of a hot and horny wife (even if she doesn't paticularly appealing)!

I found I adopted whatever position was comfortable - for me it was either in the ball or leaning and moaning against the side of the bed. I foun the pool the best but love baths and spend half the evening there at the moment.

I hated lying down!

Havn't bothered with birthpan this time and have not said to myself 'no epidural'. I'll see how it goes! The relaity is starting to se in now (and the fear) I get strong often painful BH in the evening and it is brigning back the memory (and fear) of the pain.

Welcome mumof7plus4 (What's the + 4 for?). Congrats on your lovely big family. How amazing to have a tribe. We're aiming for the tribe mentality with 3 close together but our budget/my veins/ DHs sanity won't allow for more than 3!

contraception Allegedly at most fertile just after birth. . Seriously - who has sex just ater birth? Felt like someone had taken a baseball bat to my nethers for a few weeks at least.

Our situation is that I can't be on the pill ( history of migraines puts me at risk for a stroke),
won't use coil for a variety of reasons,

tried Implanon when pill was contraindicated and it worked but it also made me put on a LOT of weight ( didn't happen for my friends though)
condoms all good in the "well we'll have another one soon enough" short term
this pretty much just leaves us with total abstinence ( which might suit DH atm as apparently I'm not such a hot mama when very pregnant/BFing) or the snip. DH again has volunteered to do the honourable thing and has himself an appointmenet booked for 7 days after my due date. I've told him not to be so bloody silly and get it changed. We await the response....

of the honourable husbands !!!!
My DH works with all men and they discuss these things (frequently it seems!) and he has been given the impression it is very painful, sex will never be the same again and HE IS JUST NOT DOING IT !
Obviously childbirth is a walk in the park and women know nothing of pain!
ho hum . . .

Morning, all!

mumofsevenplusfour, welcome on the thread, you brave, brave woman. I hope Nr8 will behave themselve for you and do a last minute somersault.
What does the 'plus4' stand for (yes, I am nosey )?

BPM, at you conceiving on Mirena! Bet that was a surprise... Like you say, you know about the v small odds but just don't think it would happen to you. I've not come across it in RL in, oh.... 15 years of this doctoring lark.
Well, even vasectomy has its failure rate

No birthplan here, but I have never had one and am more one for going with the flow.
In fact, I have still not packed bag/organised new born nappies or mat towels, but I am still working so surely I cannot go into labour any time soon, can I????

All my boys, big and small, are fed and dressed and off to get their hair shorn cut. So I am actually having a hot cup of tea, how amazing!

Hope you all have a lovely weekend!

X-posted with Arcadie and Smac!

Arcadie, I've known 2 women who were pregnant again at their 6 week post-natal check ! One was positively suicidal, and I am not saying that as a figure of speech, she was in a dreadful state, poor thing...

Smac, well, if your DH is not amenable to sensible argument (you have done your bit, it is a minor procedure in men, it is NOT usually that painful afterwards) you could always consider whithholding services rendered IYKWIM until he sees sense.
Here is more sensible information than what I am capable of giving at the mo (feeling silly) for all of you your husbands/DPs who might be interested.

Thanks pacific problem is that 'the boys at work' are experts in every field ! Despite the fact they work in an oil refinery they know everything about mens and womens health and are also experts at child rearing!
I might print it out though and leave it by the computer!

Smac, I know what you mean! Bear in mind (and point out to him) that much like labour/delivery stories, really really gory horrible agonising vasectomy accounts make much better conversation pieces than "I had my vasectomy last week and I am fine, don't really know what the fuss is all about".

Men, tsk! All we have to do is wait until their prostates catch up with them

pacificdogwood and arcadia plus four stands for 4 the miscarriages which still feel part of the family
im probably mad/ hormonal but even now im wondering if i could sneak in a number 9 but dh not to keen on that idea
nesting driving me insane having to scrub and clean everything and sight
going back to whether shell turn or not not sure i could /should take the risk of a breech vaginal delivery just too scary

Aw, mumofsevenplus4, so sorry to hear about your losses (also secretely relieved I was not the only nosey one ).
4 losses here too , so feel v lucky to have my 3 (soon to be 4 ) boys!

I think a breech delivery would scare me too, I would certainly want v convincing reassurance that there will be experienced staff available whenever I go into labour (experienced in breech deliveries, I mean). Delivering a breech is becoming a bit of a lost/rare skill in MWs and Drs.

Nope, no nesting here, even late pregnancy does not stop me from being a slattern .

mumof7+4 Please picture me slinking away to hide in darkened corner with a thoroughly face on. Apologies for nosiness and very sorry about your losses. 4 is just beyond horrible.
Feel free to make us all feel bad about the lack of nesting and cleaning - it might spur me on!

And Pacific Pregnant again by 6 week check.....?????!!!"&*($ urrrrm........ as I will say something horrible and judgey otherwise. Poor woman.

morning all and firstly can i add to the welcomes to mumof7+4 i'm sure the 4 remain in your thoughts and am sorry to hear particularly of the 18wk mc that must have been very hard. Hope you don't mind automatically being fast-tracked to a Prefect Status since you'll clearly have many words of wisdom for all us first and second timers . pacific will hand you an orientation leaflet, and just watch out for the ListMaking Head+vice-head Girls, they are quite sane as long as you Don't Touch The Lists.....[gulp]

Thanks for advice re active birth - i think i agree with the consensus, will post any q's on here (thanks arcadie for the offer of a Q+A session, appreciated!! When we are both alone here twiddling our thumbs at the end of march it will perhaps take our minds off it?!!).
Interesting to hear of other people's preferred positions when it came down to it...i was quite happy doing the leaning against the ball effort until the epidural and ensuing wires tied me to the bed...at which point i fell asleep...so not really sure what the Actual Business feels like in a raw state... Like BPM I haven't ruled out an epidural again but I would like a crack at it for a bit on my own i think....see how we go there?!! .
The GOOD thing about the trip to london is I get to wear The Green Dress again!!! (siamese? was it you?) love that dress.
Ensuing pgs, I'm not sure whether to leave it to nature to see what happens (perhaps not best plan, also only takes a sneeze BPM for me to fall) but I've been asked to be a bridesmaid at some point this year, date to be decided so perhaps a year off and the odd glass of wine might be the way forward.
Right better get on. DH off to manchester (and a bit grrrrrr too, it's the wknd after all) so i think DD and I should at least attempt to get out. Have a good time in the Trossachs pacific, sounds lovely!!

I'm chuckling at how all chat has suddenly changed to how to avoid getting ourselves knocked up again! Haven't really thought about it too much yet, but like others I'm reluctant to go back on the pill as it just messed about with my hormones. Will look at pacific's v helpful coil info, and may make a sly comment to DH one of these days about the snip and see how that goes down! I think we'll probably stop at 2 but I wouldn't want to say never...however if I was susceptible to getting this virus (Ramsay hunt syndrome) again during any further PGs that would make me seriously think twice. On that note pacific yes, my smile is 'unique' - in fact, it looks quite a lot like our lovely new confused emoticon!! Not sure whether to be amused or offended by that!

welcome!

I just found this again in the depths of my laptop; a friend sent me it when I was expecting DS3...

All you first, second, third and umpteenth timers , have a read .

I really really recognise a lot of my parenting in there .

Like it, Pacific!

Am I the only one on the thread who's thinking of getting herself "done" to solve the contraceptive dilemma? I'm almost certain that no. 2 will be our last but have no desire to go back to using any hormonal contraceptive device. DH is not keen on having the snip - partly because he's not as sure as I am that two Is It and partly because.....um, I don't really know. When he realised I was serious about getting my tubes tied, he did say that he couldn't let me go through that and that he'd have the snip but I feel a bit uncomfortable about that because I know it bothers him so much. Hmmm. Anyway, I do not plan on making any decisions yet. Want to get through the 7 month post birth broody patch first . So will just have to rely on condoms, being careful and Lady Luck in the meantime!

Am starting to feel quite period-y a lot of the time now. I suppose it's a very slow gearing up for what lies ahead but I was hoping it wouldn't happen so early this time. Had it for 5 weeks last time before anything actually happened.....

Morning

Welcome madmumof7!!!!

I can't believe our first baby is due to arrive this next week - wow!!! I really must get Gina Ford read - I don't plan on being an archaic regimented mother but I like some of her theories!!

Has any second timer tried to put 'visting hours' on yourself when you get home like at hospital??? I have concerns that certain individuals (namely PIL!!!) need some controls put in place and wondered whether 'visting times' worked. It was suggested to me by a friend and I kinda think that 2-4pm or 4-6pm daily would be a reasonable MAX for visitors to be 'booked in' over the first few weeks. Any thoughts??? Plus with DH working shifts and having a promotion to go through at the same busy time I also think ruling out all things AM would be helpful to take the pressure of us.

mummyelk - i like the theory of active birth and did a course for this LO- that said it is not rocket science. All they teach you is to be upright and let gravity take effect and that by being on all fours and rolling on a ball etc you effectively open up your pelvis to allow an easier passage and thus theoretically an easier birth. I wouldn't race around to do a course if its difficult to fit in.

To all those cleaning/nesting - fancy coming here and doing mine??? A week in bed with cold (still lingering) has done nothing for teh pile of ironing and cleaning etc. DH has been fab but he is at work _ I can't and don;t expect him to do it when I've been sat on my arse all day - however crap I feel.

Going back to work for one week only on Tuesday. Financially makes me an awful lot better off and the braxton hicks have tapered off significantly sitting around all day. Anyway, even if being at work started me off, I'm 36 weeks now anyway so not such a bad thing as it would have been 4 weeks ago!!

To all of you considering contraception- brave women. I can't imagine feeling well enough down there and having any energy at least for a few weeks after that I have my head in the sand. I'm guessing we will go for the mini pill though. DH happy in theor to have snip when family complete but as this is no 1 we have not yet decided whether to continue or end here!! It will certainly not be 8 though!!! No way I could cope with that!! Will either be 1 or 2 (pending twins for no 2!!!)

welcome madmumof7 and fingers crossed your baby turns

pacific - thanks for the links - love the 1st/2nd/3rd timers thing although I am already more like a 3rd timer before having my 3rd so goodness knows what I'll be like when I actually have 3!

re contraception - think DH will get the snip but think he wants to wait until he's 40 (he's 37 now). I can understand as although we don't plan to have anymore, it is very final. He has also said, well what if you died and I met someone else? Yeah, cheers for that, hadn't really considered that option!

sariska - my dad wouldn't have the snip so my mum had her tubes tied 6 months after I was born. She said it was fine and she was so sure she didn't want another that she was happy to do it for peace of mind (they are now divorced though!)

mummyelk - agree that your party weekend sounds much more fun than the class. Plus there is loads of info about active births online/in books. I am reading Sheila Kitzinger's The Experience of Childbirth' which is brilliant (although from the 1980's so talks about shaving pubic hair and enemas ) and helped me to have a fantastic birth with DS which I am hoping to repeat with this one.

Speaking of births, those of you who have already had three, how long was your 3rd? I have read that 3rd labours are only 3 hours on average! Is this really right? Plus my MW gave me (unsolicited) advice about what to do if I don't make it to the hospital in time which makes me think it is quite likely - eek!

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend

After years on the pill, for various reasons I tried the coil (not the hormonaly one, just the physical barrier one). It was great. Putting it in was not great - I nearly passed out. Doc said it may be because I'd never had children, so cervix had never been opened up like that [scared emoticon]. Taking it out was interesting too because I ended up being referred to a specialist to whip it out - it had embedded itself weirdly in my cervix wall. NEITHER of these episodes would stop me from going back to the coil - suited me perfectly. No remembering the pill. No hormones.

I may go for a number 2 child, but I'm 39y+2m now, so not sure if I've left it too late. I'd like to breastfeed for 6 months, and that may stop me ovulating. I've no idea how many months it's advisable to leave it until you try again. Any ideas?

Scooby - your visiting hours thing sounds like a great idea. I'll think seriously about that! You and I could give birth at the same time/same hospital - do I look out for someone with doggy ears who says 'Shaggy' a lot?

Shroomer-v funny! Nope its name of a friendly stuffed toy i own! Look out for the most tired woman you see.if you then notice a similar but presently 4st lighter version offerring advice thatd b the skinny twin whos done this 3 times ! Normally 2 st difference as she doesnt eat! Im honestly normally a size 10/12! Il be carrying my own blue ball! X