Due May '09, a Spangle-tastic start, who will be next....anyone, anyone........?

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Starting new thread ladies, in honour of Spangle.

Glad your doing ok blotted. Chocolate what about some sparkly/glittery flip flops? They'll still be comfy if you're a bit puffed up!

Am with you all on the wardrobe fatigue. I took out a pair of pre-pg this morning and looked at them, yearningly. The ones I am wearing today are supposed to be over-bump but they won't stay there. I have to hold them up whenever I go down stairs.

Going back a few days, there was some discussion about nighties for breast-feeding. I just bought a couple in Peacocks with buttons down the front for £4 each! You can get them online too here

Choc - how about some nice satin-y ballet pumps?

Blotted hope you feel better soon.

Momino - I was in your neck of the woods over the weekend - went to visit a friend just outside Leeds for the weekend - went to York on Saturday afternoon - first time I've ever been there - wow, what a beautiful place! It was all lovely and sunny, and it was so pretty, and I managed to get my giant pants (M&S - 5 for £4) and some floaty beach wear thingies that can make do as nighty things for the ward. Didn't want to come home.

In work today and am feeling very 'ugh' and a bit nauseous and my over the bump trousers squash my bump, so good job I don't have to move from my desk as I have pulled the over the bump bit down to cover my bum. Daren't weigh myself, but got pre pregnancy jeans on the other week. No chance of doing them up, mind, but could still get them over my bum.

Sigh. Can't wait till mat leave starts...

Blotted.

Chocbunnies. I had a browse around and found these. Do you think you'll want to go completely flat, like pumps or do you think you might be OK on a small 1" heel? How about sandals. They tend to be a bit easier on swollen feet. I remember struggling to find shoes that didn't have massive heels either. DH and I are the same height bare foot and so when I wear heels I'm taller than him. I did want heels for our wedding, just because it looks better, but I wanted them to be no more than 1.5inches. Not easy. If you see our wedding pictures (there's some on f/b) you'll see that I'm taller than him on our wedding day.

Ha, the pregnancy brain has attacked again. Blotted, I meant to say more than just your name! I meant to say that I hope you feel better soon and that if it is a UTI you'll soon feel better after some antibiotics.

Who was saying they were feeling nauseous? Well, I'd like to join the club of the constantly nauseous people. My SPD support belt doesn't help either, and unfortunately I can't even take it off to stop it from pressing on my stomach.

Sigh... Please let me have this baby end of april... Fed up with it all... No clothes, can't walk, can't sleep, can't sit comfortably half the time, can't wear nice shoes,...

Hope everyone had a good weekend.

We went to Bridgemere garden centre yesterday, DD wants to grow some vegetables lol we'd already been shopping before hand so I was already pretty whacked by the time we got there. DP made me laugh, as we'd never been to that garden centre before, he was like, ooh there's gardens and all sorts you can walk around, but I take it you won't wanna walk around them?lol I was like,erm...no, I'm 8 months pregnant, hot, shattered and thirsty. Of course the queues for drinks etc were miles long and it was v.busy, trust us for going on a nice day!

I have a couple of queries, jaundice, how do the baby's get it and why? Is it only pre-term babies who get it too?

And for mom's who already have 2 children, or more, how did you cope going from one child to two. I'm worrying quite alot now, DD is 3yrs 3mos, and most of her life she's been a perfect sleeper. she goes down between 7-9 depending if weve gone out etc and is never up before 8!lol I know that's all going to change now, well not for her, but for me, I'm just worrying about when DP goes back to work, getting up in the night tons, if I'm not sleping properly, whether I'm going to cope in the day loking after DD and LO, as DD doesn't have an afternoon nap or anything. As when DD was little, I took advantage of the reccomendation "try to nap when your baby naps", obviously I won't be able to do that this time. It's just I haven't slept properly for months, I've got the not sleeping after CS in hospital to think about, DP works from first thing in the morning till 6, so I'm going to be at home Mon-Fri by myself, I can't expect him to get up in the night and work, but if I don't sleep at night, how will I cope allday...I think my brains on worry overload. Jael X

Belgian I've also reached the completely and utterly fed-up stage. Up until Saturday I was feeling quite cheery but suddenly I feel like a huge unwieldy lump and have HAD ENOUGH. I don't have nausea but my heartburn is now constant - no amount of Gaviscon or milk can ease it and if I lean forward by more than 45 degrees whatever I last ate comes back up. Bleurgh. (Sorry, probably tmi)

Jael I'm not entirely sure why babies get jaundice but it's not just pre-term babies that get it. DD had it very mildly, we just needed to make sure she got plenty of milk to keep her hydrated and lots of sunlight. SHe was fine in a couple of days.

I'm also apprehensive about having two DCs and how I will cope. A friend told me that she found a toddler and a newborn less tiring (even with sleep deprivation) than being heavily pregnant with a toddler. Please tell us that's true, multiple mothers? [nervous emoticon]

Jael I am not sure the exact reason why babies get jaundice but I know I had it pretty bad when I was born and I was 2 weeks late! My DD was 1 week late and did not have it...so I don't know why it happens although I am sure someone on here will!

Re maternity clothes: I had an idea...I am also having some issues with my clothes. Some things are to small and some things are to big...some I bought thinking 'oh thats nice' and have never worn! I was going to sell some on Ebay now and some after but if we shared sizes and what was needed then maybe we could all work out a swap system? Like if someone in the group is a 12 and needs 14's then they can swap their 12's to someone who needs them and get some 14's from someone who doesn't...does that make sense? We could either pay, swap, or just pay postage...but just thought it may be a good way for some people to get things they need without having to shell out money in the last few weeks...

Just an idea!

I like your thinking emmab !

belgian to be honest heels are a big no no for me when not pregnant so whilst pregnant is probably just playing with fire! I cannot walk in heels of any height, Im like bambi on ice! I do like those pumps though, and the right colour!

I definatly think pumps are the way forward, I hate my feet during pregnancy so flip flops are probably out.

I have a bit of an AIBU but am too scared to put it up in that topic so will see what you girls think, As you know, we're not having the traditional wedding scenario, will have Madi with us all day & evening and she will be coming home with us too on our 'wedding night' I have no problem with that at all, the day after, which happens to be a saturday, DP wants to play football at 2pm, he plays for the local team, is the goal keeper, most important part of the team yada yada and won't miss that match, Im really pissed off about it and thought it would be nice to spend our first day as a married couple together, not for him to be gone for 6 hours! So AIBU to expect him to miss that match???? He thinks I am.

Blotted, hope you are feeling better.

Chocolatebunnies, no, I don't think you're being unreasonable at all - it's your first day as a married couple and no matter how long you've been together, it would be nice to spend that together. I can see his side, though, sort of, but I really think he could miss that game.

Re maternity clothes - I like the idea of swapping, though I haven't got any I have outgrown myself yet. I seem to have got wider and bigger all over lately. I need to get some new pants which is annoying as I'm 32 weeks now. Think I'll just try going up a size as the maternity ones, I'm not so keen on. x

chocbunnies if he's committed to his team then I can see why he feels he has to play. Depending on how much you hate football, you could go along and watch, cheer enthusiastically like a devoted wife and then you can yank him away the second the final whistle blows (absolutely no post-match beers) and ensure he treats you like a goddess for the rest of the weekend.

Just a suggestion - better than starting your married life with a conflict. But YAdefinitelyNBU - I would be p!ssed off too!

chocbunnies I'd say YANBU. Even though you've been together for a while and already have a child together. It IS your first day together as a married couple and you'd like it to be special. I'd be angry too.

Jaundice in newborns Well, I suppose I've got the answer to the jaundice question. I'll give you the simplified version I give most mums . All babies can get it. Preterm babies are more likely to get it as well as babies who have had bruising (i.e. after ventouse or forceps) and babies whose mum is rhneg and have a positive 'direct coombs test'. Neonatal jaundice isn't caused by liver problems like adult jaundice. When babies are in the womb they get their oxygen 2nd hand via the placenta, i.e. we breathe the oxygen goes round our body to the placenta and ultimately to the baby. Because of this the baby has extra red blood cells to carry around the same amount of oxygen as we do (a bit like athletes going on altitude training). After birth babies start breathing for themselves and get their oxygen first hand. As a result they've now got too much red blood cells. These get broken down by the body and a by-product of this break down process is 'bilirubin'. Bilirubing is yellow and can stain the skin and eyes yellow. The way the baby gets rid of this bilirubin is by excreting it and so if the baby feeds well it'll wee and poo it out. If the baby doesn't feed too well then it wont get rid of the bilirubin efficiently. Billirubin is also broken down by UV light and so therefore the recommendation to keep baby exposed to sunlight and the light treatment babies get in hospital. Mild to moderate jaundice is fairly common. Most babies seem to get it to some sort of degree and in the western world it doesn't cause any problems. In third world countries, where it's not treated, jaundice can ultimately become severe and cause severe brain damage.

re: having 2 children. I didn't find it too bad. I must say that it was true for me: that it was harder to be heavily pregnant with a toddler than having a newborn and a toddler. I was lucky enough to have a good newborn though. You sort of get used to the broken nights without day time naps. I did always have some quiet time of just sitting down doing nothing while ds was drawing or something. It's not the same as sleep, but still gives you a break. I think for me the most important thing was that I always made sure ds was 'sorted' before attending to dd. That really kept the jealousy thing at bay. Baby can wait 5 mins for a feed while I prepare an apple for ds or something to keep him occupied while dd is feeding. I sort of put ds first and dd just had to fit into the existing routine. She soon just naturally fell into the pattern.

Then again, if he's the kind of bloke who is likely to take advantage of your good nature in future (and a lot of them are!) then maybe you need to put your foot down NOW. I dunno...

Afternoon all. I really must be better at keeping track - this thread moves so fast. Half full already!!

So today is first day of ML!! So far have spent all morning trying to ebay. Have a stack of stuff to list but for some reason I can't upload the pictures, so have listed loads all without photos at the moment. Once I can work out how to get these photos uploaded, I'll have to go back and edit each listing. I had set aside this morning to do this so felt that I had to do it even without photos. Grrrrr. Not a good start to the day!

This afternoon, I have to unload the dishwasher and make supper, but I find that supper is the meal I want to eat least as appetite all gone by then. Still DH and DS need feeding I suppose. DH already annoyed me today. He is quite stressed at work, but I have a pregnancy exercise class that I go to on Monday evenings and he was all huffy that I want to go tonight as "you're at home all day, can't you do something during the day". Day one and already the immortal phrase "but you're at home all day" has been uttered. Wonder how many more times it will come out??

blotted hope your appointment went ok. Was alarmed to read you thought your waters had gone but fingers crossed all ok.

Who was it thinking of Felix? Love it! Its out for us as my nephew(in law) is Felix. Its a great name.

What does everyone think of Rufus? Too posh? I love it and so does DH but think he is a bit scared of it. We both love Rufus Wainwright but thats not the reason we're thinking of it. As for girls names...we have none yet!!!

OH MY GOD HUGEEEEE PROBLEM!

Wedding dress looks horrible! Shit! I didnt want to try it on when it arrived, just put it on and well, it just looks hideous what am I going to do, they wont refund it, argh!

Thanks for the responses re footy, he is very commited to footy, I cant stand it, so I dont know what to do! hes also v.v.v. stubborn.

Thanks Belgian what age difference is between your two children then?

DD is quite a grown up 3year old, I don't know what I would have done without her during this pregnancy, during the weekdays where it's just us, she has helped me sooo much, going to get mommy juice from the fridge, helping me sort the washing into piles, and then loading it into the machine, putting it in the tumble drier and hanging it on the airer, she's a proper little helper! Which is why at weekends with DP we try our hardest to take her out and treat her, she really is a little angel, I know she's my D and I'm obviously going to think that, but she really is. She sings twinkle twinkle to mommy's tummy everyday lol and I'm certain the baby recognises her voice, because he kicks like mad, yet not so much for DP

choc YANBU at all to expect him to not play football on your first day of married life together. Surely he can miss it JUST FOR ONE WEEK!!!!!!!! Why not make plans to do something (the 3 of you) - a day or afternoon out or something then he won't feel he's missing his match just to be at home doing nothing instead (IYSWIM). Or ask someone (if you have someone who can ) to watch Madi then you can go out for a treat somewhere together.....bit of romance and all that? Love those shoes by the way although I was thinking more sort of satiny ballet pump type things......or as someone else suggested pretty sparkly flip flops would also be nice. Will keep an eye open for something suitable..........
belgian - quick question re: jaundice. Both mine had it (DD2 quite severe) and we ended up back in hosp with her at 2 days old in SCBU for a few hours (nightmare). I can't properly remember the physiology behind it but what would you recommend to avoid it this time.......I thought it was all down to getting milk into them to help them metabolise the bilirubin (????) or am I totally off the beam? I remember DD2 being too sleepy to feed, then getting worse and worse jaundice but impossible to wake up to feed - viscous circle. (am trying to plan my strategy in advance for this little one). Still liking Felix though.....that's a good 24 hours I've been keen for so maybe.......
jael and emmalina - you'll cope with 2, of course you will. Some people adjust easier than others (I found it harder than I expected but I had a 5 yr age gap with my first 2 - closer age gaps I guess are easier as you're still in 'baby' mode which I wasnt'). To some extent the 2nd one HAS to fit in to the existing routine and it's all not such a shock as 1st time around (when I for one spent a lot of time going Argh WTF have I done!!!! Don't worry, it will all slot into place but be prepared for a few hiccups on the way!

BTW am still doing my experiment with expressing and its definitely getting a bit easier/quicker to get some out. Still not very much tho and nips do feel tender after. Used my old AVent pump the other night - quite alarming how loooooonnnggg your nipple can get. Had forgotten There certainly isn't enough to be storing in a bottle though - should there be? Anyone know?

Just saw an old thread about someone liking Felix and Kitty as names and lots of people were saying 'no, too cat orientated' . Am worried about that now, although part of me does think 'oh bollocks why not'. Better get on now. x

choco yanbu...I would be annoyed too. Missing one game will not kill him, however I can see his side too (a little). Is there any way you can maybe ask somone to take DD saturday night even if it just allowed you to go for a meal or something? Maybe you would then have something to look forward to just the two of you together? Otherwise I think I would also do what EmmaC said and ask if he comes home right after the game...as it should not take 6 hours! I don't think that would be an unreasonable request for a new bride.

Well we can work out a system where if someone has something to trade then they can do that, otherwise maybe say on here what you have in what sizes and see if anyone is interested in buying and getting a deal? I know I would just hate to have to pay full price with only 6 more weeks to go if I didn't have to! So, would love to help some people out since I do have things I was going to sell anyway...

Oh my...DH just started doing the dishes without me having to ask!!! Should I go make sure he is feeling ok?? Check to make sure it is my DH and not some strange man in my kitchen???

choc, what do you mean about the dress? Are you sure you're not being too self-critical? xx

oopa belgian cross posted re: jaundice. Thanks for the explanation. - i guess then there isn't anything other than ensuring good sunlight exposure and regular feeding that can help?

choc your dress looked absolutely lovely in the picture - I can't imagine it looking horrible on you.........have you let anyone else see you in it? Imagine yourself with makeup all done and hair etc and your shoes and accessories all on to complete the look - are you sure you don't like it? What is it that you don't like?

oops not 'oopa'
God, where is my brain.............[looks behind sofa] - nope

chocolatebunnies I bet your dress looks lovely. Are you trying it on with good underwear, accessories, hair and make-up? It'll make all the difference, I promise!

What looks wrong, do you think? Can we help? Do you need a dressmaker to do some alterations? Easily sorted!